Dr. Alveda King (Dr. Martin Luther King's niece): Why the Establishment Wants to Destroy Herman Cain

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    Nov 11, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
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    There are two reasons the liberal media can’t get enough of the Herman Cain smear campaign:

    1. They would rather report unsubstantiated allegations and gossip than report the real issues, because talking about the real issues would not be in the best interest of the president.

    President Obama is traveling around the country, proposing a stimulus bill that has already failed once. Instead of having an honest discussion about whether or not a plan that already failed once will fail again, the establishment would rather distract the American people with gossip.

    The amount of time spent talking about this ridiculous smear campaign while the country is in an economic crisis, shows that the liberal media's agenda is not to keep people informed, but to keep people distracted from failed establishment economic policies.

    2. The establishment is threatened by a strong conservative with such a large platform.

    For many years, the Democrats have had a 90% stranglehold on the black vote. This is because many blacks feel that Republicans are racist and only care about the rich, while Democrats love them, give Blacks welfare, betc. When a strong, charismatic, BLACK conservative goes head to head with Obama, many blacks who have not yet done so will actually listen to both sides of the political argument.

    They will hear Mr. Cain say that the entitlements given to them don't help the black community. When Mr. Cain says that welfare is statistically like a disease that is passed from generation to generation, that it promotes single mothers, that it promotes a culture of helplessness and government dependency, people will listen.

    When Mr. Cain says I will give you opportunities to improve your quality of life: jobs so that you don't need government handouts to survive, that the government will teach people to fish rather than give them fish sticks...people will listen.

    Mr. Cain would structurally change the voting demographic. There would be more black economic conservatives, and the Democrats would lose their stranglehold on the black vote. The establishment is threatened by that, so they will try to assassinate Mr. Cain’s character, hoping he doesn't get the chance to go head to head with President Obama.

    If the general election features two black men of opposing political views, and Black America hears an honest political debate, the establishment will lose a portion of their 90 percent stranglehold on the black vote.

    Let me be very clear about what I mean when I say “the establishment.” There are people on both sides of the aisle and beyond who are disturbed by Mr. Cain’s unorthodox campaign. He rocks the proverbial boat so to speak. So, it’s not entirely about party politics. So for the purpose for this discussion, "establishment" means resistance to truth from every sector.

    The establishment, which includes the Obama camp is terrified of what Mr. Cain represents.

    Herman Cain is the epitome of the American dream. He grew up poor and worked his way to success, following an ethic he inherited from his father and mother, and with a degree he earned at an historically black school, Morehouse College, where my uncle, Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., also was an alumnus.

    Mr. Cain is the fulfillment of Uncle M. L.’s dream. He has lived the black American experience in the South. By the content of his character, not the color of his skin, he has studied hard, worked hard, enjoyed success in business and now aspires to the office of president of the United States. Like Martin Luther King, he is a minister of the Gospel of Jesus. He is not a career politician but out of love for his country, he seeks now to lead.

    If we have an honest discussion on whether the war on poverty should be fought with welfare or with economic growth in the private sector, Democrats will lose black votes.

    When Mr. Cain says abortion is bad business, is hurting America and denying our youngest the civil right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that is a dangerous discussion for the Democrats and their pro-abortion platform.

    When he says the abortion industry, particularly Planned Parenthood, is committing Black genocide, he is giving a national platform to an issue that the mainstream media was quick to label racist and then sweep back under the carpet.

    This controversy is nothing more than a political ploy by the establishment to attempt a high-tech lynching, a brazen – if transparent – effort to eliminate this man who actually dares to present solutions for America’s problems.

    Dr. Alveda King is civil rights and pro-life activist. She is the niece of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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    Nov 11, 2011 11:41 PM GMT
    Tea party always wants someone to blame for their failures. Its your own damn falt your campaign is a failure Mr. Cain. Blame yourself!
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    Nov 11, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    I am not in the press, and hardly a flaming liberal, but , , ,
    What planet is Cain on? (What planet do you and King's niece live on??)

    He thinks he can run for president, and the media types won't investigate his past, and find any any sexual pecadillos even those known only to a few? Hello! Hasn't heard of Gary Hart and the Monkey Buisness? Clinton's famous blue dress? Edward's love child?? (These were all famous liberals by the way, being crucified by the so-called liberal press.

    Anyone that stupid or naive cannot become president in the US, and probably cannot even be nominated.
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    Suetonius saidI am not in the press, and hardly a flaming liberal, but , , ,
    What planet is Cain on? (What planet do you and King's niece live on??)

    He thinks he can run for president, and the media types won't investigate his past, and find any any sexual pecadillos even those known only to a few? Hello! Hasn't heard of Gary Hart and the Monkey Buisness? Clinton's famous blue dress? Edward's love child?? (These were all famous liberals by the way, being crucified by the so-called liberal press.

    Anyone that stupid or naive cannot become president in the US, and probably cannot even be nominated.

    Why are you blaming Cain for comments made by King?
    Of course anything in someone's background will be investigated, but the lack of evidence and background of the accusers have been soft-pedaled by the biased media sources. On the contrary, they have continuously repeated the same charges in an obvious attempt to make the allegations stick.
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    Nov 12, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidhttp://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/09/why-establishment-wants-to-destroy-herman-cain/?intcmp=obnetwork

    There are two reasons the liberal media can’t get enough of the Herman Cain smear campaign:

    1. They would rather report unsubstantiated allegations and gossip than report the real issues, because talking about the real issues would not be in the best interest of the president.

    President Obama is traveling around the country, proposing a stimulus bill that has already failed once. Instead of having an honest discussion about whether or not a plan that already failed once will fail again, the establishment would rather distract the American people with gossip.

    The amount of time spent talking about this ridiculous smear campaign while the country is in an economic crisis, shows that the liberal media's agenda is not to keep people informed, but to keep people distracted from failed establishment economic policies.

    2. The establishment is threatened by a strong conservative with such a large platform.

    For many years, the Democrats have had a 90% stranglehold on the black vote. This is because many blacks feel that Republicans are racist and only care about the rich, while Democrats love them, give Blacks welfare, betc. When a strong, charismatic, BLACK conservative goes head to head with Obama, many blacks who have not yet done so will actually listen to both sides of the political argument.

    They will hear Mr. Cain say that the entitlements given to them don't help the black community. When Mr. Cain says that welfare is statistically like a disease that is passed from generation to generation, that it promotes single mothers, that it promotes a culture of helplessness and government dependency, people will listen.

    When Mr. Cain says I will give you opportunities to improve your quality of life: jobs so that you don't need government handouts to survive, that the government will teach people to fish rather than give them fish sticks...people will listen.

    Mr. Cain would structurally change the voting demographic. There would be more black economic conservatives, and the Democrats would lose their stranglehold on the black vote. The establishment is threatened by that, so they will try to assassinate Mr. Cain’s character, hoping he doesn't get the chance to go head to head with President Obama.

    If the general election features two black men of opposing political views, and Black America hears an honest political debate, the establishment will lose a portion of their 90 percent stranglehold on the black vote.

    Let me be very clear about what I mean when I say “the establishment.” There are people on both sides of the aisle and beyond who are disturbed by Mr. Cain’s unorthodox campaign. He rocks the proverbial boat so to speak. So, it’s not entirely about party politics. So for the purpose for this discussion, "establishment" means resistance to truth from every sector.

    The establishment, which includes the Obama camp is terrified of what Mr. Cain represents.

    Herman Cain is the epitome of the American dream. He grew up poor and worked his way to success, following an ethic he inherited from his father and mother, and with a degree he earned at an historically black school, Morehouse College, where my uncle, Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., also was an alumnus.

    Mr. Cain is the fulfillment of Uncle M. L.’s dream. He has lived the black American experience in the South. By the content of his character, not the color of his skin, he has studied hard, worked hard, enjoyed success in business and now aspires to the office of president of the United States. Like Martin Luther King, he is a minister of the Gospel of Jesus. He is not a career politician but out of love for his country, he seeks now to lead.

    If we have an honest discussion on whether the war on poverty should be fought with welfare or with economic growth in the private sector, Democrats will lose black votes.

    When Mr. Cain says abortion is bad business, is hurting America and denying our youngest the civil right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that is a dangerous discussion for the Democrats and their pro-abortion platform.

    When he says the abortion industry, particularly Planned Parenthood, is committing Black genocide, he is giving a national platform to an issue that the mainstream media was quick to label racist and then sweep back under the carpet.

    This controversy is nothing more than a political ploy by the establishment to attempt a high-tech lynching, a brazen – if transparent – effort to eliminate this man who actually dares to present solutions for America’s problems.

    Dr. Alveda King is civil rights and pro-life activist. She is the niece of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


    Never in my life have I ever seen the media defend a Conservative African American Male. This was to be expected. The media is nothing but racist garbage.


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    I do not agree with Dr. Alveda King's opinion and points.

    About the first point. Obama is going to have a tough time defending his record, that is for sure. However, I believe Obama will be able to attack some of Cain's ideas fairly. One is the 999 plan. Republican opponents already did a fair job at revealing the truths about the plan during the debate after Cain took the lead.

    I think, just in the political sense, that Cain is a candidate that Obama would have a chance to beat. Democrat strategists probably agree with that assessment.

    Quickly on the second point. It is my opinion that Cain doesn't he think he could take a sizable chunk of the black vote. He has stated that they are brainwashed by Democrats. Whether, Dr. Alveda King also thinks Democrats have brainwashed the black populace, to me it seems that Cain has already acknowledged that he would not take a significant portion of that demographic.
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    Nov 12, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    Alveda King is a right-wing lunatic who has - for all intents and purposes - been disowned by the majority of the King family. This has not stopped her from cashing in on her dead uncle's legacy by virtue of her last name.

    She is also a hypocrite nearly without equal. She is pro-life, despite having had 3 abortions herself.

    She is anti-gay and opposes gay marriage despite being thrice divorced and having six children from a variety of different husbands. King has said: ""Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality" and compared gay marriage to "genocide."

    She is an stunning and unconscionable liar, who has claimed the Rosa Parks was a symbol of the pro-life movement despite Parks having served for many years on the board of Planned Parenthood. She claims MLK was pro-life but that has been disputed by King's children and late wife, Coretta.

    When she ran for office in Georgia, she did not receive an endorsement from any members of MLK's immediate family.

    In short, there is no reason to give anything she says the slightest credence. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 12, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    Thanks Christian, I was just going to provide a link to this, as it was a Realjock topic once (though probably before Socalfitness's arrival on RJ)

    "She is anti-gay and opposes gay marriage despite being thrice divorced and having six children from a variety of different husbands. King has said: ""Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality" and compared gay marriage to "genocide."

    Socal, if it was the Westboro baptist group defending Cain, would you be quoting them as well?
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    meninlove said Thanks Christian, I was just going to provide a link to this, as it was a Realjock topic once (though probably before Socalfitness's arrival on RJ)

    "She is anti-gay and opposes gay marriage despite being thrice divorced and having six children from a variety of different husbands. King has said: ""Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality" and compared gay marriage to "genocide."

    Socal, if it was the Westboro baptist group defending Cain, would you be quoting them as well?

    I was not aware of her other positions on gay issues, but her points about the specific topic are independent of that and remain valid. As far as Westboro, I don't look at anything they write, so I would not have occasion to quote them.
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    meninlove said Thanks Christian, I was just going to provide a link to this, as it was a Realjock topic once (though probably before Socalfitness's arrival on RJ)

    "She is anti-gay and opposes gay marriage despite being thrice divorced and having six children from a variety of different husbands. King has said: ""Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality" and compared gay marriage to "genocide."

    Socal, if it was the Westboro baptist group defending Cain, would you be quoting them as well?

    I was not aware of her other positions on gay issues, but her points about the specific topic are independent of that and remain valid.



    Ugh, you really think so? Now for a second imagine that Cain turns out be gay or bi. Now what do you think she would have said?
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    meninlove said Thanks Christian, I was just going to provide a link to this, as it was a Realjock topic once (though probably before Socalfitness's arrival on RJ)

    "She is anti-gay and opposes gay marriage despite being thrice divorced and having six children from a variety of different husbands. King has said: ""Homosexuality cannot be elevated to the civil rights issue. The civil rights movement was born from the Bible. God hates homosexuality" and compared gay marriage to "genocide."

    Socal, if it was the Westboro baptist group defending Cain, would you be quoting them as well?

    I was not aware of her other positions on gay issues, but her points about the specific topic are independent of that and remain valid.

    Ugh, you really think so? Now for a second imagine that Cain turns out be gay or bi. Now what do you think she would have said?

    Not a mind reader and I don't waste time speculating.
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    "Not a mind reader and I don't waste time speculating."


    Hmmmm.....evasive you. Politics is full of speculation. Great heavens, man, you need to be able to connect dots!

    Her advocating him is no favour to him, and is equivalent to Westboro church's endorsement.
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    Nov 12, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
    For many years, the Democrats have had a 90% stranglehold on the black vote. This is because many blacks feel that Republicans are racist and only care about the rich, while Democrats love them, give Blacks welfare, betc.

    Oh really, Dr. King. My thoughts:

    The GOP has no real plan to even talk to black voters. They are afraid of them. Yes, afraid. If you want to put a Republican in the most uncomfortable position, then see them try to give a speech in front of a room of black folks. There is mistrust on both sides rather than straight talk on the issues.

    For years, I have lamented the GOP's refusal to engage African Americans. We care about housing, economic development, education, any host of issues. But in the minds of a lot of Republicans, it's all about welfare or affirmative action.

    African-Americans are largely social conservatives, but the GOP can't figure out how to reach us even with God!

    I'm the host of "Washington Watch," a weekly Sunday morning news show on TV One Cable Network, a lifestyles and entertainment network targeting African-Americans, and the GOP flat-out refuses to accept our invitations.

    For two years, we've had an open invite for any House or Senate Republican to come on our show, no matter the week. Out of 80-plus shows, Rep. Tom Price of Georgia (twice) and Rep. Allen West of Florida (once) have accepted our invitations.

    West sat in my studio and told his press secretary to send an email to every GOP press secretary in the House to tell them that my show was a great forum for them to talk to black America. None followed his admonition.

    When Michael Steele was chairman of the Republican National Committee, he did my show several times. Steele told me he went to the GOP House and Senate leadership to tell them they should accept my invites, but none did.

    Now if the GOP is scared to even come on a TV show that targets blacks, do you actually think they'll show up in a black community?

    If the GOP wants black folks to consider voting for them, their candidates will have to make an effort to reach out. The distrust is wide and great, but it can be overcome. But doing nothing will get you nowhere, and guarantee a strong voting bloc will do all it can to make sure you are defeated at the polls.


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    Nov 12, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    Roland has some excellent points. The GOP's effort to reach out to blacks has been lackluster. But just like Ronald Reagan, these guys are pandering to their base, and relying on race division, rather than unity.

    There is a reason why many blacks are hesitant to support Republicans/Conservatives — those candidates and their followers tend to come off as racist or support policies that disenfranchise blacks.

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    Nov 12, 2011 3:28 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    creature said
    There is a reason why many blacks are hesitant to support Republicans/Conservatives — those candidates and their followers tend to come off as racist or support policies that disenfranchise blacks....



    ... because the national media is a willing participant in spreading such half truths and lies on behalf of the Democrat party.


    I don't know what you're referring to. But I am talking about speeches made by the candidates and their followers that are racist, or are spun in a way that the racism is subtle.

    A classic example would be Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign speech regarding "welfare queens" in the southside of Chicago. Interesting that he targeted black women as welfare queens when, at that time, most welfare recipients were white.

    And the policies that the conservatives promote are evident in themselves that they disenfranchise a substantial segment of blacks.

    Even on this forum, most of the blatant or subtle racism, islamaphobia, etc. comes from Republican/Conservative members.
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    Roland Martin makes some thought-provoking points. If, as he stated, Republicans avoided opportunities to reach out to the black community, it is very unfortunate. But on the other hand, it is curious the community remains suspicious or alienated from the same party where blacks have been represented in senior positions in the Party (Michael Steele) or in a Republican administration (Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell), or as a candidate with significant support (Herman Cain).
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
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    creature said

    And the policies that the conservatives promote are evident in themselves that they disenfranchise a substantial segment of blacks.


    If by that you mean policies that promote economic growth and strive to eliminate the need for welfare, then yeah, I guess they are guilty.


    creature said
    Even on this forum, most of the blatant or subtle racism, islamaphobia, etc. comes from Republican/Conservative members.


    Most of the racism here comes from one person: DoomedAlpaca

    As for Islamaphobia, that comes from our good friend "Art Deco" a.k.a. Art Dingbat.

    What do both of these individuals have in common? They are both leftists.

    Edited to add: I should substantiate my Art Deco point, so here ya go:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1087699/

    Art_Deco saidAnd a rare moment when I happen to DISagree with Obama. Muslims have no business being within 100 miles of the WTC. In fact, as avowed enemies of everything the US stands for, the vast majority proponents of our destruction as a Democratic nation, I don't think they should be in this country at all. And how's THAT for a statement from an alleged ultra-liberal, left-wing socialist, as I am often called here?




    First, of all, DoomedAlpaca is not a racist. Secondly, why do you keep bringing up Art_Deco's statement, even though he later apologized for it?

    I see you keep bringing up the same quote, but neglecting the several times conservatives on here have singled out the religion of Islam as a terrorist religion, and not focus on the specific individuals. And not once, but on two occassions JackNWNJ has referred to Muslims as "ragheads."

    I'm not saying there aren't racists or islamaphobes on the left, but on this site, I have noticed most of the pronounced or slightly hidden bigotry comes from those who hold conservative views.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:02 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ's "raghead" comment

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1650586

    I thought he made it twice, but I only found one instance.

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    Nov 12, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
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    creature saidJackNWNJ's "raghead" comment

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1650586

    I thought he made it twice, but I only found one instance.



    So JackNWNJ wrote: "I don't like raghead music" in a topic about Arabic music. Insensitive? Yes. Bigotry or Islamaphobic? I don't think it rises to that level.

    However, "Art Deco's" statement (referenced above) is blatantly Islamaphobic, no question about it.

    And, you've said "most of the pronounced or slightly hidden bigotry comes from those who hold conservative views" and that's really dangerous territory to venture into, because you've now painted yourself into a corner where you'll have to do quite a bit of research and number crunching to prove such an outrageous allegation.


    I've seen enough responses of JackNWNJ to know where he's coming from. There is no hesitation on my part to call it as I see it.

    I don't keep records of posts. But based on observation of trends, I stand by my assertion.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    creature -

    If Jane Fonda came out tomorrow in support of Herman Cain, Socal and SB would be heaping praise on her. Same for Michael Moore and George Soros. They are completely driven by a very narrow ideology. I think they genuinely do not see either their or others' positions as racist, which - as we know - is what makes racism so powerful.

    Their interest in Cain has nothing to do with his policies - such as they are - but, rather, they think having a black conservative - no matter how vile a person - will somehow harm Obama.

    That is how they can support both him and quote Alveda King, a woman who is not only a gold medalist in hypocrisy, but also an avowed enemy of many of their civil rights.

    I thought when Clinton was president, we had seen the extremes that the right will go to, but since Obama's taken office, I have been stunned on several occasions by the lengths to which the right - including some on this board - will go to distance themselves from him, portray him as an internal enemy of the US, and try to beat him by any means necessary, despite his being a fairly moderate Democrat who has leaned more right than left for most of his presidency.

    They lie to themselves about his "socialism" and George Soros, all of which is nonsense, because their own views are so extreme and so narrow and self-interested that to admit the reality of who Obama is, would render all their outrage meaningless.
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    If the GOP wants black folks to consider voting for them, their candidates will have to make an effort to reach out. The distrust is wide and great, but it can be overcome. But doing nothing will get you nowhere, and guarantee a strong voting bloc will do all it can to make sure you are defeated at the polls.


    Nice to see the opinion of the left represented.

    Now, IF Herman Cain is the GOP nominee, that will go a long way towards making "black folks" think twice before voting Democrat.


    Incorrect. Most black people do and have seen through Cain's charade and will not support him in a statistically or electorally significant way. If they would, the right would not be spending so much time, energy and money trying to disenfranchise them through voter suppression tactics.
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    Nov 12, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidcreature -

    If Jane Fonda came out tomorrow in support of Herman Cain, Socal and SB would be heaping praise on her. Same for Michael Moore and George Soros. They are completely driven by a very narrow ideology. I think they genuinely do not see either their or others' positions as racist, which - as we know - is what makes racism so powerful.

    Their interest in Cain has nothing to do with his policies - such as they are - but, rather, they think having a black conservative - no matter how vile a person - will somehow harm Obama.

    That is how they can support both him and quote Alveda King, a woman who is not only a gold medalist in hypocrisy, but also an avowed enemy of many of their civil rights.

    I thought when Clinton was president, we had seen the extremes that the right will go to, but since Obama's taken office, I have been stunned on several occasions by the lengths to which the right - including some on this board - will go to distance themselves from him, portray him as an internal enemy of the US, and try to beat him by any means necessary, despite his being a fairly moderate Democrat who has leaned more right than left for most of his presidency.

    They lie to themselves about his "socialism" and George Soros, all of which is nonsense, because their own views are so extreme and so narrow and self-interested that to admit the reality of who Obama is, would render all their outrage meaningless.


    I agree.

    Herman Cain's proposals have been ripped apart by both sides of the aisle, and yet some guys on here still support them because they think Cain can whittle away Obama's black base.

    Tough. Despite Cain's presence in the political arena for quite some time, Obama still maintains about 90% support of blacks.

    Does the GOP think they have a chance to have a significant amount of black voters given what happened with the birther movement? With the election of the first African-American president, blacks witnessed a nonsensical claim about the President being outside of the country. Where was the strong condemnation from the right rejecting their claim and telling their base the birther conspiracy is nuts. They have no problem vocalizing their disagreement with the President. Why didn't they address the birthers?

    Think that made a good impression of the GOP?

    But I'm not so sure if they don't recognize the blatant or subtle racism. I think they just let it slide since the person agrees with them politically. It would really surprise me if they didn't recognize it. I can't believe they are that naive. Like in the example where Southbeach suggested JackNWNJ's "raghead" comment was insensitive, but not a bigoted remark. Really?

    And I agree with you on your socialism comment. Some of these guys are just too consumed with their hatred. It's pathetic. They always need to have a boogie man.
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    Nov 12, 2011 6:09 AM GMT
    Christian73 said... They are completely driven by a very narrow ideology. I think they genuinely do not see either their or others' positions as racist, which - as we know - is what makes racism so powerful.

    ...They lie to themselves about his "socialism" and George Soros, all of which is nonsense, because their own views are so extreme and so narrow and self-interested that to admit the reality of who Obama is, would render all their outrage meaningless.

    Whose ideology is mainstream and whose is very narrow?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/150611/Democrats-Liberal-Less-White-2008.aspx
    June - August 2011, US Adults: Conservatives 42%, Moderates 37%, Liberals 21%.
    Me: Moderate/Conservative which puts me with 79%
    You: Per your statement, you are a "Democratic Socialist", further left than your typical liberal. Let's say that puts you in the left half group of the 21%, so that would put you with 10%.
    By residing in the left most 10%, your judgement and assessment of the 90% to the right of you is skewed.

    As far as the socialist label, there are politicians and political parties in Europe that are called socialist. That is the model Obama and Soros seek, and that is why they will be correctly called socialists.
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    Nov 12, 2011 6:55 AM GMT
    This is interesting:

    Since Herman Cain has declared his candidacy he has not secured the endorsement of one major black business, civic, or political organization. He has not secured the endorsement of a single nationally known black political leader. That includes well-known, and well-connected, African-American Republicans, Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell. In fact, he hasn’t even gotten the endorsement of Scott or West. His support has been almost exclusively from the noisy, extreme, and disjoined Tea Party acolytes.

    Hmm...is that right?
    The best assurance that black voters will not move even a fraction of an inch toward the GOP is Herman Cain himself. His shoot-from the lip gaffes, jibes, and insults of blacks as “brainwashed,” his shrug off of racism as irrelevant, his tout of an economic program that would blatantly increase the already gaping economic disparity between rich and poor, and his outrageous shock jock type quips and demeanor make even the most disinterested, skeptical, and hostile African-Americans toward the Democrats stay firmly planted in the Democratic column. Herman Cain’s quip that blacks will back him is the ultimate guarantee that they’ll stay there.

    http://thyblackman.com/2011/10/18/herman-cain-black-voter-fantasy/

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    Nov 12, 2011 12:56 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said... They are completely driven by a very narrow ideology. I think they genuinely do not see either their or others' positions as racist, which - as we know - is what makes racism so powerful.

    ...They lie to themselves about his "socialism" and George Soros, all of which is nonsense, because their own views are so extreme and so narrow and self-interested that to admit the reality of who Obama is, would render all their outrage meaningless.

    Whose ideology is mainstream and whose is very narrow?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/150611/Democrats-Liberal-Less-White-2008.aspx
    June - August 2011, US Adults: Conservatives 42%, Moderates 37%, Liberals 21%.
    Me: Moderate/Conservative which puts me with 79%
    You: Per your statement, you are a "Democratic Socialist", further left than your typical liberal. Let's say that puts you in the left half group of the 21%, so that would put you with 10%.
    By residing in the left most 10%, your judgement and assessment of the 90% to the right of you is skewed.

    As far as the socialist label, there are politicians and political parties in Europe that are called socialist. That is the model Obama and Soros seek, and that is why they will be correctly called socialists.


    You're using self-labeling within a narrowly defined spectrum set up by the polling firm as opposed to looking at what programs and policies the majority of Americans support.

    Despite what they call themselves, 81% of Americans support raising taxes on millionaires to solve our budget issues. And support for Medicare, Social Security, universal Pre-K and a range of other socialist programs are incredibly popular.

    The meme that this is a "center-right" country is ridiculous. A recent study even proved that Americans not only love socialist programs but there is a huge disconnect between those who use such programs and their understanding that they are accessing socialist programs:

    programbeneficiaries.jpeg

    Even within your own response, this disconnect is obvious. You claim to be a "moderate" when you are an extremist. I, at least, admit that my views are further left than the average American.