Isn't atheism a little contradictory?

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    Nov 12, 2011 5:08 AM GMT
    Atheism is defined as the belief that there is no god... Isn't this just as religious as believing in the existence of a god?

    The reason I say that is because, just like there's no way you can prove the existence of a god, there's also no way you can prove the existence of no god. So when you hear an atheist say "I don't believe in god" it's the same thing as a spiritual person say "I believe in god"... how can you prove either way?

    I'm not sure if atheists just don't know the meaning of the word and they're really agnostic, but I think agnostic is a more appropriate term for someone who would like to say he's "atheist", right??

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    Nov 12, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    No and no.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 12, 2011 7:01 AM GMT
    showme saidNo and no.


    Hah... i was about to respond, but this is def sufficient
  • waccamatt

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    Nov 12, 2011 7:02 AM GMT
    Atheists know there is no god while agnostics question the existence of a god. Fine line, but there is a definite difference.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:05 AM GMT
    Which god are you talking about? There's thousands.. lol
    small-gods.jpg
    I base all my theological knowledge on the writings of Terry Pratchett. icon_lol.gif

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    Nov 12, 2011 7:07 AM GMT
    An atheist has a definitive belief that there is no god/gods, just as a theist has a definitive belief that such entities exist. An agnostic is either a) unsure, or b) of the belief that mankind cannot ever know whether or not such entities exist.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:08 AM GMT
    showme saidNo and no.


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    Nov 12, 2011 7:09 AM GMT
    Trollileo saidI believe in Thor, because there's a comic book about him.


    ...and a movie...and action figures.

    He definitely exists. No use denying it.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:23 AM GMT
    bodyboarder725 saidAtheism is defined as the belief that there is no god... Isn't this just as religious as believing in the existence of a god?

    The reason I say that is because, just like there's no way you can prove the existence of a god, there's also no way you can prove the existence of no god. So when you hear an atheist say "I don't believe in god" it's the same thing as a spiritual person say "I believe in god"... how can you prove either way?

    I'm not sure if atheists just don't know the meaning of the word and they're really agnostic, but I think agnostic is a more appropriate term for someone who would like to say he's "atheist", right??



    This is funny since I have been thinking the same thing over the last few weeks. I agree with you in that atheism is a form of religion.

    A person who really is an atheist would never refer to themselves as an atheist or buy into a belief of anti-theism since it's still a form of the theist belief system.

    Here is an interesting article I've found.

    http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
    As some guy once pointed out, it's a bit unfair to label people who don't believe in gods as atheist.

    There's no special word for people who don't believe in other stuff, like homeopathy or ghosts. It's just a label, not a belief. Atheists don't go around building churches to worship "No God," they just don't build churches at all. Not everything has an opposite, sometimes there's just an absence.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    FrostedFlakes saidAn atheist has a definitive belief that there is no god/gods, just as a theist has a definitive belief that such entities exist. An agnostic is either a) unsure, or b) of the belief that mankind cannot ever know whether or not such entities exist.


    +1
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    you should spend less time using this flame war as your first post on rj and spend more time making (and eating) sandwiches... and make me and ariodante one too while you're at it.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:26 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidAtheists know there is no god.


    See, this is why I could never be an atheist
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:27 AM GMT
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    bodyboarder725 saidAtheism is defined as the belief that there is no god... Isn't this just as religious as believing in the existence of a god?

    The reason I say that is because, just like there's no way you can prove the existence of a god, there's also no way you can prove the existence of no god. So when you hear an atheist say "I don't believe in god" it's the same thing as a spiritual person say "I believe in god"... how can you prove either way?

    I'm not sure if atheists just don't know the meaning of the word and they're really agnostic, but I think agnostic is a more appropriate term for someone who would like to say he's "atheist", right??



    This is funny since I have been thinking the same thing over the last few weeks. I agree with you in that atheism is a form of religion.

    A person who really is an atheist would never refer to themselves as an atheist or buy into a belief of anti-theism since it's still a form of the theist belief system.

    Here is an interesting article I've found.

    http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion


    Of course its a belief system.... once you have decided you believe something DOESNT exist.. then you have a belief
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:27 AM GMT
    Most "atheists" are agnostic. Atheist is just the first buzz word you learn when you realize religion is just for scared people who want to think they can hedge their bet on what will happen when they die. :3

    Like how "global warming" isn't correct and "climate change" is the better way to describe it.

    Point is that if you believe in the flying spaghetti monster then you are wasting your time even thinking about this question. Just believe what you want as long it doesn't hurt anyone.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    bodyboarder725 saidAtheism is defined as the belief that there is no god... Isn't this just as religious as believing in the existence of a god?

    No. Your profile says that you study philosophy. Go read Bertrand Russels' Why I am not a Christian.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:38 AM GMT
    It's true that saying "there is no god" is a wrong thing for someone to say.

    However, saying "there is no god that humans worship" is more than fine.
    Humans have a history of making up whatever ever since then beginning.
    There can be something after this life, but nobody has a clue about what it would be and it gives no weight to the bible bangers. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:39 AM GMT
    effen saidMost "atheists" are agnostic. Atheist is just the first buzz word you learn when you realize religion is just for scared people who want to think they can hedge their bet on what will happen when they die. :3.


    Thats not true lol.. and its ridiculous.. much of religion IS misused to scare people about what will happen when they die... its scare tactic.. its not the people who were scared... its the religion that scared em in the first place... at least thats how I see it
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:42 AM GMT
    Can someone (Athiest, Agnostic, or otherwise) explain how the OP can be so ripped, yet so tiny?
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:47 AM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidCan someone (Athiest, Agnostic, or otherwise) explain how the OP can be so ripped, yet so tiny?

    Perhaps he is only 15, but works out.
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    Nov 12, 2011 7:52 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    effen saidMost "atheists" are agnostic. Atheist is just the first buzz word you learn when you realize religion is just for scared people who want to think they can hedge their bet on what will happen when they die. :3.


    Thats not true lol.. and its ridiculous.. much of religion IS misused to scare people about what will happen when they die... its scare tactic.. its not the people who were scared... its the religion that scared em in the first place... at least thats how I see it


    As I said, believe what you want. icon_smile.gif
    I will add that also people that were born into the brainwash are a large part as well. It's still "worship Me or else."
    I was lucky enough to read the bible and decide it was silly even after I was born into a christian church system.
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    Nov 12, 2011 8:01 AM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidCan someone (Athiest, Agnostic, or otherwise) explain how the OP can be so ripped, yet so tiny?


    Ripped just entails low body fat. Anyone at whatever muscle development stage can get down to a super shredded level without adding any muscle mass with the proper diet structure.
  • wellwell

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    Nov 12, 2011 8:03 AM GMT
    Some things greatly-transcend mere "belief."
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    Nov 12, 2011 8:03 AM GMT
    Religiously zealous atheists are the ones that will get visibly upset when you suggest that a ( Creator || "Creative Intelligence" || "Something Greater" ) exists.

    Apathetic atheists who just stick to their non-belief and do not get emotionally invested in trying to prove the non-existence of deity seem to be mmore of the exception than the rule in my (albeit limited) experience.
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    Nov 12, 2011 8:10 AM GMT

    So my lack of belief in the Loch Ness monster is a religious experience ?

    More seriously, lack of belief is not a belief.

    You are merely saying that trust without proof is equivalent to refusal to trust without proof.