Mike McQueary hot fall guy or or testosterone deficient creep?

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    Nov 12, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    So Mike McQueary (jokes about the name fine with the OP) watched the creep at Penn State rape a kid and went to the head coach, but not the police. What is he?

    Whatever else he may be, I think he's hot, but others find the orange hair...
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    So no thoughts in the gay community about a guy who watches a kid being raped and walks away?
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    Now that I have read and heard the facts, I personally feel he is/was a coward. Doesn't justify the death threats, etc.
    EVERY single person who knew what happened to these poor children and did not go to the police should be discharged from that school. Let the law now do its job. Plain and simple.

    Tristan
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    musclefetish1 saidNow that I have read and heard the facts, I personally feel he is/was a coward. Doesn't justify the death threats, etc.
    EVERY single person who knew what happened to these poor children and did not go to the police should be discharged from that school. Let the law now do its job. Plain and simple.

    Tristan


    I agree that they all need to go.

    BTW, am I the only guy who would think McQ is hot if he didnt know his past?
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
    I think there are quite a few variables to consider here. I do believe that not only should he have went to the police, but he should have went to the boy's aid immediately and stopped the assault. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he might have been in too much shock to think rationally at that point. He went to his dad for advice, but apparently the urge to keep his job outweighed the urge to do the right thing. His Dad might have told him to report to Joe Pa what you seen and then let him take care of it. I have to believe that much more people are involved to have kept this a secret for over a decade (the time he started to molest the children). Shame on the administration, coaches and media for covering this up. icon_mad.gif
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    I have a feeling the death threats are from bozos who blame him for Paterno's firing and not from people outraged by his cowardice years ago.
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    I agree he SHOULD have gone to the boys aid!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 12, 2011 3:52 PM GMT
    I can't fathom how anyone could see this happen and not stop it immediately and then take action to see that it never happens again. If a coach walked in on two of his players fucking in the shower, wouldn't he sort of freak out a little? The idea that it's one of his coaches and a 10 year old kid and nothing was said or done is kind of astounding.
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    Nov 12, 2011 3:56 PM GMT
    I would have been horrified and calling the police would have been a "must do" for me. I don't give a shit what the "line of command" was on campus.
    I get sick to my stomach.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidBTW, am I the only guy who would think McQ is hot if he didnt know his past?

    Probably not the only one, but one of only a few.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:12 PM GMT

    "Testosterone deficient wimp" is my impression of this guy. What should any of us do if we see any guy raping a little kid - ten years old?

    I'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the God damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.

    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:15 PM GMT
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    "Testosterone deficient wimp" is my impression of this guy. What should any of us do if we see any guy raping a little kid - ten years old?

    I'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the God damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.

    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.
    Well we DEFINITELY agree strongly on this! There would be blood.. and it wouldn't have come from any child!
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 saidNow that I have read and heard the facts, I personally feel he is/was a coward. Doesn't justify the death threats, etc.
    EVERY single person who knew what happened to these poor children and did not go to the police should be discharged from that school. Let the law now do its job. Plain and simple.

    Tristan




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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 12, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    I was watching this show yesterday on which a psychiatrist was discussing this Penn State scandal, and she was saying that sometimes when someone sees something like this that it is so horrific and unbelievable that it almost doesn't register -- that they become numb and almost frozen -- especially if the perpetrator is someone they look up to or a person of power or authority. Maybe that is true to some extent for someone who is weak, but I honestly don't think it would be true if I stumbled upon something like this. My instincts would be to intervene immediately and take definitive action to stop it. I don't even think I would pause for even a second before I went into action. I have a feeling we still do not know all the facts, and that likely even more shocking revelations are on the horizon regarding this.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI was watching this show yesterday on which a psychiatrist was discussing this Penn State scandal, and she was saying that sometimes when someone sees something like this that it is so horrific and unbelievable that it almost doesn't register -- that they become numb and almost frozen -- especially if the perpetrator is someone they look up to or a person of power or authority. Maybe that is true to some extent for someone who is weak, but I honestly don't think it would be true if I stumbled upon something like this. My instincts would be to intervene immediately and take definitive action to stop it. I don't even think I would pause for even a second before I went into action. I have a feeling we still do not know all the facts, and that likely even more shocking revelations are on the horizon regarding this.
    I agree with you Todd...
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:38 PM GMT
    I think he should've intervened during the incident.....but I also think he had some fear. Sandusky was investigated in 1998 and the district attorney disappeared. I also feel that the entire PSU staff through whispers knew this guy was a child molestor.

    I think the guy could've feared he would be killed if he exposed him. I mean look what happened to the district attorney.

    He still should've intervened, but I can see why for fear.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
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    He still should've intervened, but I can see why for fear.


    And that's why fear is the enemy of ethical behavior.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    if i saw a guy raping a 10-year-old in the shower the police would be there because they'd be taking me into custody for (attempted if i didn't succeed) murder. how any person could see that and not go to that poor kid's aid is disgusting.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    The whole thing about the District Attorney who was investigating this back in 1998 disappearing definitely puts a bizarre twist to this whole thing.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 said
    "Testosterone deficient wimp" is my impression of this guy. What should any of us do if we see any guy raping a little kid - ten years old?

    I'd have charged in there saying something like, Hey, hey, hey - what the FUCK are you doing, buddy?!! Get the God damn Hell off of him!!!

    I would have k/o'd the bastard and taken the poor little kid over to get dried off, and get some clothes on. Then, I'd have taken him over to the hospital, and called the campus police / and-or city police dept. Until authorities got there, I'd have tried to counsel the little kid, and assured him that this wasn't his fault - and he's not in trouble, but he should tell the doctor exactly what happened. I'd have found out the name of the perp. and made damn sure the police did as well.

    That's what we do if we see a rape taking place. No way in Hell would I have observed a rape, then slipped out of the shower room and then gone home and called Dad to wring my hands and ask him what I should do. What a god dammed wimp.

    Your outrage is justified but that response would freak the kid out more and cause a lot of trauma if they don't understand what is happening to them. Best to remove the kid from the situation while minimizing the drama, then take care of the perv.

    I think the whole situation speaks to the hidden sexualization of young athletes that obviously doesn't occur everywhere but does exist nevertheless. There is always a hush hush environment surrounding it, so it doesn't surprise me that McQueary didn't say anything. In my high school, athletes were sworn to secrecy about what they got up to on their tours, but imaginations can run wild seeing as who their coaches were. I stayed in a hotel with a high school hockey team and those boys rooms were being fed with prostitutes all night.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe whole thing about the District Attorney who was investigating this back in 1998 disappearing definitely puts a bizarre twist to this whole thing.
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    Nov 12, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    swimguychicago saidSo Mike McQueary (jokes about the name fine with the OP) watched the creep at Penn State rape a kid and went to the head coach, but not the police. What is he?

    Whatever else he may be, I think he's hot, but others find the orange hair...


    I've posted this before, so sorry about the repetition, but McQueary reporting the abuse to Paterno was exactly what he was supposed to do. In turn Paterno reporting to the AD was exactly what he was supposed to do. The villains here (besides Sandusky, of course) are the AD and the VP who didn't report the abuse to the proper authorities and then lied to the grand jury about it.

    I coached high school sports for ten years and given the same set of circumstance Paterno was given, I would have done the same thing and reported the abuse to my school principal. It's what we're instructed to do. It's what the law tells us to do. McQueary and Paterno were following the law -- that's why they weren't indicted.

    There's been a huge amount of second guessing going on this week and almost none of it is helpful. Yes, both McQueary and Paterno could have done more than they did. There's been a lot of talk about people fulfilling their "legal obligations" but not doing their "moral obligations." I thought our laws were based on what we deemed as a society to be decent and moral behavior.

    I hate this phrase "teachable moment" but there is a teachable moment in all this: If any of you guys has kids or has nieces and nephews or grandchildren you need to call their school district first thing Monday morning and ask "How would child abuse be reported at your school?" I am willing to bet that their policy is exactly what happened at Penn State: you report what you suspect or witnessed to your supervisor and they guy (or gal) at the top of the food chain is responsible for reporting it. You need to express to these school officials that this policy should be changed and require school officials to go directly to the police with abuse allegations. It's probably not a bad idea to call your state congress people and check into how your own state laws are worded. I have a hard time faulting school officials who are obeying the law and following proper procedure. If the law and school policies need to be changed then so be it. If something can come out of this Penn State mess that's good it would be raising awareness for how child abuse cases are reported to the proper authorities.
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    Nov 12, 2011 5:09 PM GMT
    I just watched a thing on sportsnet about Mcqueary being the recruiting coordinator.

    He won't be fired because of the whistle blower wall in Pennsylvania....but imagine him coming into your home saying hey i'll protect your kid while he is at Penn State.......he couldn't even protect a ten year old ;(.
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    Nov 12, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
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    swimguychicago saidSo Mike McQueary (jokes about the name fine with the OP) watched the creep at Penn State rape a kid and went to the head coach, but not the police. What is he?

    Whatever else he may be, I think he's hot, but others find the orange hair...


    I've posted this before, so sorry about the repetition, but McQueary reporting the abuse to Paterno was exactly what he was supposed to do. In turn Paterno reporting to the AD was exactly what he was supposed to do. The villains here (besides Sandusky, of course) are the AD and the VP who didn't report the abuse to the proper authorities and then lied to the grand jury about it.

    I coached high school sports for ten years and given the same set of circumstance Paterno was given, I would have done the same thing and reported the abuse to my school principal. It's what we're instructed to do. It's what the law tells us to do. McQueary and Paterno were following the law -- that's why they weren't indicted.

    There's been a huge amount of second guessing going on this week and almost none of it is helpful. Yes, both McQueary and Paterno could have done more than they did. There's been a lot of talk about people fulfilling their "legal obligations" but not doing their "moral obligations." I thought our laws were based on what we deemed as a society to be decent and moral behavior.

    I hate this phrase "teachable moment" but there is a teachable moment in all this: If any of you guys has kids or has nieces and nephews or grandchildren you need to call their school district first thing Monday morning and ask "How would child abuse be reported at your school?" I am willing to bet that their policy is exactly what happened at Penn State: you report what you suspect or witnessed to your supervisor and they guy (or gal) at the top of the food chain is responsible for reporting it. You need to express to these school officials that this policy should be changed and require school officials to go directly to the police with abuse allegations. It's probably not a bad idea to call your state congress people and check into how your own state laws are worded. I have a hard time faulting school officials who are obeying the law and following proper procedure. If the law and school policies need to be changed then so be it. If something can come out of this Penn State mess that's good it would be raising awareness for how child abuse cases are reported to the proper authorities.


    There's a big difference between the law and being a man. Even Butch Coolidge came to the aid of his mortal enemy, Marsellus Wallace, when he was getting raped (Pulp Fiction reference)!!
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    swimguychicago saidSo Mike McQueary (jokes about the name fine with the OP) watched the creep at Penn State rape a kid and went to the head coach, but not the police. What is he?








    Your icon implies that you're a police officer. IF you are, would you please s so in your next post as it would give authority to your assertions about the law.

    Whatever the law says, and I find it highly unlikely that it would forbid people from notifying the police (!), nothing prevents a witness from telling BOTH the institution. He works for AND the police that he witnessed a crime.

    While I'm a bit of a coward and might not have been big enough to pull Sanduvsky off, even I would shout, "Hey, what do you think you're doing!? I'm calling the police." I bet what you like Sanduvsky, or whatever his name us, would have lept off that kid and tried to "explain" things to me. McQ, on the other hand, was a huge guy in the prime of life. He could have done what I, and most people, would have wanted to. He could have beaten Sanduvsky senseless.

    Sorry to mix ideas, but if you take away McQ's personality, and the fact that he's straight, I find him cute. Anyone else think so?

    Whatever else he may be, I think he's hot, but others find the orange hair...


    I've posted this before, so sorry about the repetition, but McQueary reporting the abuse to Paterno was exactly what he was supposed to do. In turn Paterno reporting to the AD was exactly what he was supposed to do. The villains here (besides Sandusky, of course) are the AD and the VP who didn't report the abuse to the proper authorities and then lied to the grand jury about it.

    I coached high school sports for ten years and given the same set of circumstance Paterno was given, I would have done the same thing and reported the abuse to my school principal. It's what we're instructed to do. It's what the law tells us to do. McQueary and Paterno were following the law -- that's why they weren't indicted.

    There's been a huge amount of second guessing going on this week and almost none of it is helpful. Yes, both McQueary and Paterno could have done more than they did. There's been a lot of talk about people fulfilling their "legal obligations" but not doing their "moral obligations." I thought our laws were based on what we deemed as a society to be decent and moral behavior.

    I hate this phrase "teachable moment" but there is a teachable moment in all this: If any of you guys has kids or has nieces and nephews or grandchildren you need to call their school district first thing Monday morning and ask "How would child abuse be reported at your school?" I am willing to bet that their policy is exactly what happened at Penn State: you report what you suspect or witnessed to your supervisor and they guy (or gal) at the top of the food chain is responsible for reporting it. You need to express to these school officials that this policy should be changed and require school officials to go directly to the police with abuse allegations. It's probably not a bad idea to call your state congress people and check into how your own state laws are worded. I have a hard time faulting school officials who are obeying the law and following proper procedure. If the law and school policies need to be changed then so be it. If something can come out of this Penn State mess that's good it would be raising awareness for how child abuse cases are reported to the proper authorities.[/quote]