Wash post: US Catholic Bishops prepare fight: gay marriage, contraception

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    Nov 14, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/us-catholic-bishops-prepare-fight-for-religious-exceptions-over-gay-marriage-contraception/2011/11/13/gIQA4GkMIN_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop

    interesting reader comments...
  • tazzari

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    Nov 14, 2011 4:58 AM GMT
    If, as the bishop says, the future holds greater intolerance for Christianity - whose fault is that? The bishops and many churches have made sure that he will be proven right.
  • Cutlass

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    Nov 14, 2011 5:25 AM GMT
    The archbishop of Philadelphia said, "America...... is l likely to be less friendly to Christian (read Catholic) faith......it's happening today." Yes, it is, and the catholic church seems to be under siege because they're slowly losing ground, and we are gaining. Beliefs that the r.c. church teaches are being overriden by people who believe in civil and human rights, fairness, justice, and equality. They've won some of the battles, but we will win the war.
    The Pew Research Center said the percentage of people favoring gay marriage is gaining, but it's still under 50 percent. This increase is obviously coming from the younger voters, and they will replace the older, conservative ones who die; and we will soon have the majority since many of the younger generations know gays, have interacted with them, understand the difficulties they face, and feel justice and equality, not prejudice, hate, and discrimination, should prevail, unlike the r.c. church.
    Here is a piece that political commentator Chris Mathews said: "Over time people who advance liberties tend to win the argument, whether it's for women, African Americans, immigrants, or the GAY COMMUNITY (I wanted to emphasize that). In the end, America takes the side of the people looking for rights."
    On the other hand, here's a hypocritical statement from a spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in reference to illegal immigrants: "It is consistent with the teaching of the church that human rights should be respected...." Really? He should tell that to the catholic bishops.
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    Nov 14, 2011 9:16 AM GMT
    NOT IF ST.PATRICK SAYS SO...IM NKT THE PERFECT SAINT IV HAVE MY DUES AND GETTING MARRIED TO A MAN IS WHAT GOD MADE ME FOR IM CARHOLIC AND KNEW I WAS GAY SINCE GOD MADE ME THIS WAY...ITS LIKE BEING BORN WITH ONE ARM ILL ONLY KNOW WHY WHEN GOD TELLS ME...PLUS THE WORD CATHOLIC MEAN UNIVERSAL, EVERYTHING. SO IF THEY WANT TO TAKE IT ANY FURTHER THEN THEY CAN WAIT TILL KINGDOM COMES BUT SINCE I KNOW IM THE LAST AND ONLY LIVING SAINT TO PROVE IT GO AHEAD...THROW SOME HAIL MARYS AT ME THROW MEAN WORDS AND SPIT UR HOLY WATER ON ME....I KNOW ILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN BECAUSE GOD CHOSE ME TO DO WHAT I DO AND THAT IS TO MAKE THIS EQUAL FOR EVERYONE...AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE SHUT DOWN AND NOT ALLOWED TO BE LOVED BY OUR GOD? NO GOD IS EVERYTHING AND WE WONT FALL TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT OUR LIVES THEN WE DO.....FEAR PEOPLE ..U LIVE IN FEAR..U WONT GET NO WHERE....AND GOD WE FEAR MOST BECAUSE HE IS FOREVER AND WE CANT GRASP THE FACT THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE SAME SEX FOR COMPANIONSHIP AND NOW IS THE BEGING OF A WHOLE NEW ERA....BUT IF U CANT BE CHRISTAIN OR UNIVERSALLY CATHOLIC AND ACCEPT THE WORLD HOW IT IS TODAY...HOW CANT U EXCEPT THE THINGS HAPPENING IN HEAVEN..THINGS THAT ONLY GOD LETS ME FIND OUT FOR THE BEST OFF US....IF U KNEW GOD MADE ME WITH ONE ARM AND ALSO TO LOVE MEN.....U WHO LOOK DOWN UPON ME WILL NEVER GET TO THIS PLACE BECAUSE HE MADE ME HERE AND IF U CANT ACCEPT SEEING HIM CREATE A WORLD OF OTHER BEINGS AS WELL.....THAT SHOULD. BE UR HELL....SO ST.PETER HOLDS THE KEYS TO HEAVEN ....ST.PATRICK HOLDS ON TO LUCK AND DRIVES THE EVIL AWAY FOR OUR KINGDOM ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW GOD LOVES US ALL. HE TOLD ME SO FROM THE START....AND WILL ALWAYS. BE THERE FOR US. URS WITHIN GOD FOREVER ST.PATRICK..AKA FLASHAHHMAN
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Nov 14, 2011 10:12 AM GMT
    As a Unitarian I have noticed increasing intolernace towards Christians of any hue - hell there are some "Christians" who say I am not one - as tho we are all tarred wth the same brush of being reactionary, conservative tub-thumping whack-jobs who hate. Arseholes like Christian Voice claiming to speak for a;; Christians. BUT in the public mind set and in the domestic press, its what we are. Which is sad.
  • Cutlass

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    Dec 12, 2011 5:37 AM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidAs a Unitarian I have noticed increasing intolernace towards Christians of any hue - hell there are some "Christians" who say I am not one - as tho we are all tarred wth the same brush of being reactionary, conservative tub-thumping whack-jobs who hate. Arseholes like Christian Voice claiming to speak for a;; Christians. BUT in the public mind set and in the domestic press, its what we are. Which is sad.


    Correct. We shouldn't lump all Christians or other religions in the same category as some gay-hating organizations. Certainly the Unitarians have been very helpful and understanding of gays, as have some religions like Quakers; and some mainstream Protestant churches have or are going to ordain gays. Progress is being made, and we should realize that not all religions are alike on gay issues.
  • tazzari

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    Dec 12, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    Cutlass said
    Rowing_Ant saidAs a Unitarian I have noticed increasing intolernace towards Christians of any hue - hell there are some "Christians" who say I am not one - as tho we are all tarred wth the same brush of being reactionary, conservative tub-thumping whack-jobs who hate. Arseholes like Christian Voice claiming to speak for a;; Christians. BUT in the public mind set and in the domestic press, its what we are. Which is sad.


    Correct. We shouldn't lump all Christians or other religions in the same category as some gay-hating organizations. Certainly the Unitarians have been very helpful and understanding of gays, as have some religions like Quakers; and some mainstream Protestant churches have or are going to ordain gays. Progress is being made, and we should realize that not all religions are alike on gay issues.


    Thank you. Our church (Trinity Episcopal, Seattle) has gay clergy, an annual Matthew Shepard sermon, and insisted at an all-parish last week that our stated identity as an Open and Affirming congregation is something we are deeply proud of and plan to maintain. We also recently and publicly celebrated the 35th anniversary of one of our gay couples recently.

    Not everyone who calls themselves "christian" is the same!
  • KissTheSky

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    Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    If there is anyone with less credibility on moral issues than the Catholic hierarchy -- which enabled and protected generations of child rapists -- I don't know who it would be. The astounding nerve of these people to claim any sort of moral high ground after the countless lives they've destroyed -- it's beyond belief. A bunch of despicable hypocrites.