Two People I wish were still in Washington

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    Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM GMT
    Here are two people I wish were still in Washington.

    Ronald Reagan: One of the Greatest Presidents this country has ever seen. He cleaned up the mess of the Carter Administration through cutting taxes and cutting regulations. He brought unemployment down. He was great with Foreign Policy. Damn I wish he could be in the White House right now.

    J. Edgar Hoover: Here was the greatest FBI Director we ever had. He would clean house in Washington if he were here today. He would go after all the corrupt garbage and socialists in the congress.
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    Nov 15, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    Reagan Fires Fed Chairman Volcker and Replaces Him With Greenspan in 1987:

    Volcker also understood that financial markets need to be regulated. Reagan wanted someone who did not believe any such thing, and he found him in a devotee of the objectivist philosopher and free-market zealot Ayn Rand.

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    If you appoint an anti-regulator as your enforcer, you know what kind of enforcement you’ll get. A flood of liquidity combined with the failed levees of regulation proved disastrous.

    Greenspan presided over not one but two financial bubbles.
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    Nov 15, 2011 1:37 AM GMT
    When you look at when the deregulation fever started it was under the Gipper ... that coincides with the stagnation of the Middle Class here in America
    where the real wage has remained the same since his administration

    Trickle Down economics ... no words should ever be uttered again by any politician except to point out what an Utter Utter failure it was
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    GQjock saidWhen you look at when the deregulation fever started it was under the Gipper ... that coincides with the stagnation of the Middle Class here in America
    where the real wage has remained the same since his administration

    Trickle Down economics ... no words should ever be uttered again by any politician except to point out what an Utter Utter failure it was


    Trickle Down Economics was Reagan, which brought down taxes, which led to more jobs.

    Trickle Up Poverty is Obama and thats what we are experiencing in this country now.
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    Nov 15, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    Trickle Down Economics was Reagan, which brought down taxes, which led to more jobs.

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    Really now

    On Black Monday of October 1987 a stock collapse of unprecedented size caused the Dow Jones Industrial Average to fall by 22.6%. This collapse, larger than that of 1929, was handled well by the economy, and the stock market began to quickly recover. However, in North America, the lumbering savings and loans industry was beginning to collapse, leading to a savings and loan crisis which put the financial wellbeing of millions of Americans in jeopardy

    This finally let us tumble into recession by the early 90's where we had to be saved by .... You know who ...lol
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    Nov 15, 2011 2:08 AM GMT
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    GQjock saidWhen you look at when the deregulation fever started it was under the Gipper ... that coincides with the stagnation of the Middle Class here in America
    where the real wage has remained the same since his administration

    Trickle Down economics ... no words should ever be uttered again by any politician except to point out what an Utter Utter failure it was


    Trickle Down Economics was Reagan, which brought down taxes, which led to more jobs.

    Trickle Up Poverty is Obama and thats what we are experiencing in this country now.


    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times. He expanded government employment by tens of thousands of jobs. He expanded the federal government hugely and ran up a mulit-billion dollar deficit. Only he did it by screwing over working people, not the wealthy.

    In short, he was a tax and spend Republican.

    And since you claim to not be wealthy, you realize that you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than becoming rich, right? No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.
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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    GQjock saidWhen you look at when the deregulation fever started it was under the Gipper ... that coincides with the stagnation of the Middle Class here in America
    where the real wage has remained the same since his administration

    Trickle Down economics ... no words should ever be uttered again by any politician except to point out what an Utter Utter failure it was


    Trickle Down Economics was Reagan, which brought down taxes, which led to more jobs.

    Trickle Up Poverty is Obama and thats what we are experiencing in this country now.


    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times. He expanded government employment by tens of thousands of jobs. He expanded the federal government hugely and ran up a mulit-billion dollar deficit. Only he did it by screwing over working people, not the wealthy.

    In short, he was a tax and spend Republican.

    And since you claim to not be wealthy, you realize that you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than becoming rich, right? No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Well with that attitude you will never get rich. I am not wealthy, but I know lots of people who are, most of them coming from low income families and climbing their way up. My wealth has gone up the last few years, mostly from investing. I wouldn't call myself wealthy, but my goal is to become wealthy. To do that I let my money work for me.


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    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.
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    Nov 15, 2011 4:05 AM GMT
    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.

    Incorrect

    What the 99% want is to stop the 1% from stealing the furniture
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    Nov 15, 2011 9:03 AM GMT
    I wear my Reagan for President Tee with such pride, I wish we could see him in the White House again; it's just what America and the world needs right now.
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    Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM GMT
    pattison saidI wear my Reagan for President Teem with such pride, I wish we could see him in the White House again; it's just what America and the world needs right now.


    You got a Ouija Board Pat?

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    Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM GMT
    yeh, let's go back to the "Good Ol' Days" of the early 1980's, with double-digit inflation, "trickle down economics" (AKA "voodoo economics by then vice president george bush) setting us up for the near destruction of the American middle class and home mortgage rates up the wazzooooo..



    Jayy-sussss, southbeach jane, how effin' ignorant can a human being become?



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    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.
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    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".
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    pattison saidI wear my Reagan for President Teem with such pride, I wish we could see him in the White House again; it's just what America and the world needs right now.
    That figures.. the right wants a zombie with alzheimers in the whitehouse..
    The recent candidates are pretty close in comparison.icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 15, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    rnch saidyeh, let's go back to the "Good Ol' Days" of the early 1980's, with double-digit inflation, "trickle down economics" (AKA "voodoo economics by then vice president george bush) setting us up for the near destruction of the American middle class and home mortgage rates up the wazzooooo..



    Jayy-sussss, southbeach jane, how effin' ignorant can a human being become?



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    Well the inflation came from Carter, but Ronnie got us out of it. In the 1984 election he carried every state but Minnesota and only lost that by a hair. Damn I wish he was still with us. A video from Ronnie's speech in Berlin.

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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".


    Incorrect. The social and economic mobility that was key to the American way of life has been stagnating. And even where mobility still exists, people are not becoming rich but rather working to middle class. But, none of the data goes past the Recession and it seems likely that a lot of this upward trajectory was erased by the financial crisis.

    In fact, as the article below demonstrates, economic mobility is greater in Western Europe than the US.

    http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2011/1109_economic_mobility_winship.aspx
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    Nov 15, 2011 4:15 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".


    Its not mutually exclusive. Business owners or employees can be in the "99%" even if their income is technically top 1%. They see others get there by rigging the game, and don't like it.

    The real chumps have incomes in the 99%, but support the 1% crooks (teabaggers).

    FYI....top 1% income is defined as over $380,254 annual income. So if you're gay, make less than this AND vote republican....YOU ARE ARE A DOUBLE CHUMP!!! icon_razz.gif

    And if you make over this AND still vote republican...YOU ARE JUST A REGULAR CHUMP!!!
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    Nov 15, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".


    Its not mutually exclusive. Business owners or employees can be in the "99%" even if their income is technically top 1%. They see others get there by rigging the game, and don't like it.

    The real chumps have incomes in the 99%, but support the 1% crooks (teabaggers).

    FYI....top 1% income is defined as over $380,254 annual income. So if you're gay, make less than this AND vote republican....YOU ARE ARE A DOUBLE CHUMP!!! icon_razz.gif

    And if you make over this AND still vote republican...YOU ARE JUST A REGULAR CHUMP!!!


    I wasn't raised with that kind of mentality. I was raised that if you want something you go out and earn it yourself. I cannot relate to the way you people think.


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    Nov 15, 2011 4:53 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidHere are two people I wish were still in Washington.
    J. Edgar Hoover: Here was the greatest FBI Director we ever had.


    Why are all you guys neglecting J.Edgar - BTW he is still literally in Washington, 6 feet underground next to his longtime companion. Someone, somewhere, must have a pic of him in a dress. Perhaps at a party with Ed Koch?

    I understand that D'Caprio does not wear a dress anywhere in his new pic - Pity - he too would look cute in drag.
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    Nov 15, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    White4DarkerFL said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".


    Its not mutually exclusive. Business owners or employees can be in the "99%" even if their income is technically top 1%. They see others get there by rigging the game, and don't like it.

    The real chumps have incomes in the 99%, but support the 1% crooks (teabaggers).

    FYI....top 1% income is defined as over $380,254 annual income. So if you're gay, make less than this AND vote republican....YOU ARE ARE A DOUBLE CHUMP!!! icon_razz.gif

    And if you make over this AND still vote republican...YOU ARE JUST A REGULAR CHUMP!!!


    I wasn't raised with that kind of mentality. I was raised that if you want something you go out and earn it yourself. I cannot relate to the way you people think.


    Nothing wrong with 'earning' it.. just NOT at the expense of others maliciously or dishonestly. icon_wink.gif

    Thats how I WAS RAISED.. you didnt get that lesson.
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    Nov 15, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    White4DarkerFL said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    Incorrect. Reagan raised taxes 11 times.


    Incorrect. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted to raise taxes.



    Christian73 said
    No amount of hard work can overcome the structural inequality that the 1% has had written into law.


    Incorrect again.

    In 1995, 3 years after starting my company, I earned $0 from the business and less than $40,000 from my other job.

    I reached the "1%" 3 years ago after a lot of hard work, and that's it.


    Most people start at the bottom and have to struggle to get to the top.

    What the 99% want is to get rich instantly and thats not how it works. Everyone faces bad times at some point in their life. Life is not perfect.


    Actually, most people start at the bottom and stay there. Part of the OWS movement's argument is that class mobility has come to a halt.

    There have always been examples of those who have had hard luck and are in difficult circumstances. But for many, the class mobility argument is an excuse for the lazy to deny responsibility for their own lack of achievement. For example, the bail-out of a financial institution or the CEO pay does not prevent someone from bettering themselves. Some do, others just complain, chanting the latest phrases from the left, such as "the system is rigged (so it's not my fault)".


    Its not mutually exclusive. Business owners or employees can be in the "99%" even if their income is technically top 1%. They see others get there by rigging the game, and don't like it.

    The real chumps have incomes in the 99%, but support the 1% crooks (teabaggers).

    FYI....top 1% income is defined as over $380,254 annual income. So if you're gay, make less than this AND vote republican....YOU ARE ARE A DOUBLE CHUMP!!! icon_razz.gif

    And if you make over this AND still vote republican...YOU ARE JUST A REGULAR CHUMP!!!


    I wasn't raised with that kind of mentality. I was raised that if you want something you go out and earn it yourself. I cannot relate to the way you people think.

    Be thankful you were raised the right way. The only reason many of us even post here is so that many of the guys who lurk and don't post do not get the idea that they are alone in the gay community not being a socialist and a whiner. My recommendation is to stay somewhat aloof just for that end, and not let yourself get dragged down to the basement where many here live. In other words don't waste time worrying about responding to each of their defective comments.
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    Nov 15, 2011 5:54 PM GMT
    Paranoid delusional control freak^^