The decline and fall of Occupy Wall Street: the American Left has run out of steam and liberalism is in crisis ADDED 11/18: What This Week's 'Occupy' Protests Mean for Democrats In 2012

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    Nile Gardiner

    The failure of the Occupy Wall Street movement and its descent into Lord of the Flies-style chaos, and in many instances thuggery and criminality, is emblematic of the dramatic decline of the Left in the United States. The ragtag encampments that President Obama earlier described as expressing “the frustrations that the American people feel”, are now being swept from the streets of New York, Oakland, Portland, and across America, no doubt to great applause from locals who have had to put up for weeks with unsanitary tent cities on their doorstep. Nancy Pelosi should now be eating her words after having declared in October: “God bless them, for their spontaneity. It’s independent… it’s young, it’s spontaneous, and it’s focused. And it’s going to be effective.”

    The downfall of Occupy Wall Street mirrors a broader malaise on the American Left. Just three years after the election of the “hope and change” president, liberalism in America is in a state of crisis. A recent Gallup poll shows just one in five Americans (21 percent) calling themselves liberal. This compares to 42 percent who are self-described conservatives. After an historic mid-term election victory, Republicans now control the House of Representatives, and are in a very strong position to retake the Senate in 2012. President Obama is now one of the most unpopular presidents in modern US history at this stage of his presidency, with approval ratings struggling to climb above the low 40’s, and with 73 percent of Americans believing the nation is moving down “the wrong track”. His big government agenda has proved a disaster, with recent Gallup polling showing 57 per cent of Americans with “little or no confidence in the federal government to solve domestic problems”. Massive bailouts, excessive public spending and heavy borrowing have fueled the biggest budget deficit since World War Two, pushing the United States onto an economic precipice.

    In marked contrast, conservatism has undergone a profound revival since Obama entered the Oval Office. As I’ve noted before, the Tea Party has been the most influential US political movement of the early 21st Century, fundamentally transforming the political landscape. On Capitol Hill, a new wave of innovative conservative leaders has emerged, strongly pushing a Reagan-Thatcher-inspired small government agenda, among them House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.

    At the same time, America’s conservative media has surged, with Fox News Channel leading the cable news market by a mile, and The Wall Street Journal overtaking USA Today as the biggest-selling national newspaper. Conservative-dominated talk radio continues to command the airwaves, with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham for example drawing in a combined weekly audience of tens of millions. And a plethora of new conservative broadcasters have entered the scene, including Hollywood producer Doug Urbanski (latest hit film Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy), with his hard-hitting show syndicated across the country.

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media. Significantly, the two most influential news aggregators in America today, Drudge Report and RealClear Politics, are both founded by conservatives, while linking to pieces from all sides of the political spectrum.

    In contrast, the American Left looks increasingly tired, jaded, and short of ideas. It has suffered huge losses in Congress, is led by a president who is even shunned by many in his own party, and represented by an exceptionally dull news media epitomised by the broadcast networks and the likes of The New York Times. And instead of a city on a shining hill, the Left is offering up mass unemployment, vast debts, deeply unpopular health care reforms, as well as a collapsed housing market.

    Occupy Wall Street has been an act of desperation by the liberal Left, which now represents a small minority of Americans in terms of ideology. In many ways, OWS has been the antithesis of the Tea Party. It has failed to shape the political debate on Capitol Hill and has been driven by an anti-capitalist agenda that does not resonate with most Americans. In addition, while the Tea Party has been an unfailingly law-abiding movement, with tremendous respect for the police and the rule of law, Occupy Wall Street has descended into anarchy. In many ways, OWS is an anachronism, a wannabe 1960s-style protest movement in an America that has moved on. And it is above all a symbol of a Left in decline amidst an increasingly conservative nation that has had enough of the kind of big government, anti-free market policies the liberal protestors crave.
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    Any editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.
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    Nov 16, 2011 7:51 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.
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    Nov 16, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
    How is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...
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    Nov 16, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    Fountains saidHow is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...


    They also don't know what "socialism" "fascism" or "greed" mean.
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    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    It's not a matter of my denying anything. It's another example of conservatives trying to comfort themselves in the face of a shifting political climate.
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    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    It's not a matter of my denying anything. It's another example of conservatives trying to comfort themselves in the face of a shifting political climate.

    Ok, you're not denying anything. To restate in your terms, you can believe the climate is shifting in your favor. That is fine. Believe what you wish.
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    Nov 16, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    Fountains saidHow is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...


    Ok, tell us what Liberalism means.
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    Nov 16, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    It's not a matter of my denying anything. It's another example of conservatives trying to comfort themselves in the face of a shifting political climate.



    hahahahahahahahha, the political climate is shifting toward liberalism. Heres the Pelosi/Obama way of creating jobs. This should get everyone voting Democrat. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    It's not a matter of my denying anything. It's another example of conservatives trying to comfort themselves in the face of a shifting political climate.

    Ok, you're not denying anything. To restate in your terms, you can believe the climate is shifting in your favor. That is fine. Believe what you wish.


    It's not a matter of belief. OWS is still twice as popular as the Tea Party. Election Day was a blow-out for Democrats and progressives. And Obama is now ahead of both "generic Republican" and all possible actual candidates by decent to wide margins. A majority think the rich and corporations pay too little tax and they do not want entitlement programs touched. The similarly want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan and have no appetite for attacking Iran.

    And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.
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    Nov 16, 2011 9:02 PM GMT
    Fountains saidHow is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...
    It takes actually brain matter..icon_wink.gif
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    Christian73 said
    It's not a matter of belief. OWS is still twice as popular as the Tea Party.


    Second time this week I've caught you lying. Read:

    Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm that has been correct with most of its election surveys this year, has a new survey that indicates the Occupy movement is grating on people. Surprisingly, after two months of Occupiers defiling public spaces across America, voters are suddenly more fond of tea partiers than of occupiers. Even better, Tea Party favorables are up ten points from a month ago among independent voters.



    The numbers:

    Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ppp-occupy-makes-voters-nostalgic-tea-party#.TsPfmVpQLbs.twitter


    Darling if I tried to calculate the number of times you lie in a single day, I'd not get anything else done:

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-13/news/30293944_1_tea-party-wall-street-movement-big-banks
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    It's not a matter of my denying anything. It's another example of conservatives trying to comfort themselves in the face of a shifting political climate.

    Ok, you're not denying anything. To restate in your terms, you can believe the climate is shifting in your favor. That is fine. Believe what you wish.


    It's not a matter of belief. OWS is still twice as popular as the Tea Party. Election Day was a blow-out for Democrats and progressives. And Obama is now ahead of both "generic Republican" and all possible actual candidates by decent to wide margins. A majority think the rich and corporations pay too little tax and they do not want entitlement programs touched. The similarly want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan and have no appetite for attacking Iran.

    And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.



    And your going to lose the Senate, so the GOP will have control over Congress after 2012 so we will be able to block everything that comes out of the White House.

    hahahahahahaha, Your looking at a bunch of local elections as a predictor to winning nationally, hahahahahahahahahah. Besides that you didn't really win much, the GOP picked up 2 state legislatures. Besides making the Union Bosses richer, where else did the Dems win???




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    Nov 16, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    Quite evident when some protestors aided capitalists to hilariously express how much they detested capitalism...

    Occupy protests inspires T-shirts, trademark bids
    http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-protests-inspires-t-shirts-trademark-bids-150141311.html

    Comedy bullion...
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    Fountains saidHow is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...


    Ok, tell us what Liberalism means.
    LOL I guess he was right.. you DON'T know! LOL
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    Nov 16, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
    You mean comedy hypocrisy. The OWS movement is losing its support because all the drug addicts, lazy welfare cheats, and lowlife slobs have infested and taken over the movement.
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    Christian73 saidAny editorial on which the following appear has no credibility beyond the right-wing fringe:

    Online, a wealth of conservative news and blog sites including National Review Online, The Weekly Standard.com, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, Townhall.com, Commentary, and most recently ConservativeHome USA have successfully broken the stranglehold of the liberal mainstream media.

    Believe it or deny it as you wish. Would not expect it to be accepted by the left-wing fringe. But it doesn't matter.


    Quite - it's kind of funny how the left wing fringe have self identified themselves in outrage icon_wink.gif
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    Fountains saidHow is it that the conservative demagogues of this board don't know what liberalism means. This baffles me...


    Ok, tell us what Liberalism means.


    PRO-GAY, NAZI, HOMOSEXUAL, TAX AND SPEND, BIG GOVERNMENT, HEIL HITLER, FUCK YOU, FREE THE WHALES TYPES.
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    Christian73 said... And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.

    Yes, the debates will give the Obama team some opportunities, but against Obama will be his record, the scandals, the lies, the broken promises, and his speeches. There are several web sites that have cataloged many of these lies and broken promises. Outside of all those, his speeches criticizing Americans as being soft and lazy will haunt him. I expect we will see a resurgence of his speech about simple people clinging to their guns and religion. McCain did not choose to use that, but it will be seen again.

    As clear as it is that liberalism will die for at least another generation, say the interval between Carter and Obama, still the election must be taken very seriously. Despite Obama's horrendous record of his pathetic performance, his lack of leadership, his class warfare, he does enjoy some advantages. He will raise a lot of money, though I read today that Bill Burton is not having an easy time of it. He will also continue campaign trips at taxpayer expense, denying he is in campaign mode. And he will have some of advantages in some demographics. The traditional media will still bend his way, but Fox and talk radio have superbly taken out that monopoly. And some, fewer than before, will fall for his blaming everyone, soft and lazy Americans, Congress, Republicans, everyone except for himself.

    But he will face harsh criticism, satire, and ridicule, often not from the Republican candidate, who will need to stay somewhat above it all. Should be quite fun with his thin skin and well known inability to handle criticism. The "socialist" label, accurately compared to West European socialism, will be applied repeatedly. It is toxic, true, and it will stick.

    After his defeat, the liberal ideology will recede, put away for another generation.
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    Nov 16, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    Oh...oh god so false and bias and disgustingly inaccurate. It's like watching a blind guy take shots in the dark with earplugs in.
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    Nov 16, 2011 11:10 PM GMT
    tell them: "find a job and a bath." Everyone has been very decent about it. But........grown ups are calling time.
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    Christian73 said... And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.

    Yes, the debates will give the Obama team some opportunities, but against Obama will be his record, the scandals, the lies, the broken promises, and his speeches. There are several web sites that have cataloged many of these lies and broken promises. Outside of all those, his speeches criticizing Americans as being soft and lazy will haunt him. I expect we will see a resurgence of his speech about simple people clinging to their guns and religion. McCain did not choose to use that, but it will be seen again.

    As clear as it is that liberalism will die for at least another generation, say the interval between Carter and Obama, still the election must be taken very seriously. Despite Obama's horrendous record of his pathetic performance, his lack of leadership, his class warfare, he does enjoy some advantages. He will raise a lot of money, though I read today that Bill Burton is not having an easy time of it. He will also continue campaign trips at taxpayer expense, denying he is in campaign mode. And he will have some of advantages in some demographics. The traditional media will still bend his way, but Fox and talk radio have superbly taken out that monopoly. And some, fewer than before, will fall for his blaming everyone, soft and lazy Americans, Congress, Republicans, everyone except for himself.

    But he will face harsh criticism, satire, and ridicule, often not from the Republican candidate, who will need to stay somewhat above it all. Should be quite fun with his thin skin and well known inability to handle criticism. The "socialist" label, accurately compared to West European socialism, will be applied repeatedly. It is toxic, true, and it will stick.

    After his defeat, the liberal ideology will recede, put away for another generation.


    It's like you live on another planet. Obama's record is actually quite impressive, even if he and the White House have done a shitty job of promoting it. On Politifact, he has 8 pages of promises kept and 3 pages of promises broken. The broken ones are primarily budgetary issues that have been punted by the GOP controlled Congress.

    Further, the majority of Americans do not watch Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh and will not be poisoned by the lies that emanate from them and their acolytes.

    Finally, you forget how critical turnout will be and 70% of Republicans do not want Romney to be their candidate. It will be very difficult to turn those people in passionate GOTV volunteers or donors.

    And Romney - which Obama has wisely kept quiet about thus far - is the epitome of all that is wrong with our country. A spoiled rich kid, who has never worked an honest day in his life, who is completely out of touch with 99% of Americans, and who's primary career (apart from running unsuccessfully for various elected positions) involved buying up American companies and shipping jobs overseas.

    My God, the campaign ads write themselves.

    Now, if John Huntsman or the former New Mexico governor whose name escapes me at the moment were the nominee it would be a fight.
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    Christian73 said... And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.

    Yes, the debates will give the Obama team some opportunities, but against Obama will be his record, the scandals, the lies, the broken promises, and his speeches. There are several web sites that have cataloged many of these lies and broken promises. Outside of all those, his speeches criticizing Americans as being soft and lazy will haunt him. I expect we will see a resurgence of his speech about simple people clinging to their guns and religion. McCain did not choose to use that, but it will be seen again.

    As clear as it is that liberalism will die for at least another generation, say the interval between Carter and Obama, still the election must be taken very seriously. Despite Obama's horrendous record of his pathetic performance, his lack of leadership, his class warfare, he does enjoy some advantages. He will raise a lot of money, though I read today that Bill Burton is not having an easy time of it. He will also continue campaign trips at taxpayer expense, denying he is in campaign mode. And he will have some of advantages in some demographics. The traditional media will still bend his way, but Fox and talk radio have superbly taken out that monopoly. And some, fewer than before, will fall for his blaming everyone, soft and lazy Americans, Congress, Republicans, everyone except for himself.

    But he will face harsh criticism, satire, and ridicule, often not from the Republican candidate, who will need to stay somewhat above it all. Should be quite fun with his thin skin and well known inability to handle criticism. The "socialist" label, accurately compared to West European socialism, will be applied repeatedly. It is toxic, true, and it will stick.

    After his defeat, the liberal ideology will recede, put away for another generation.


    It's like you live on another planet. Obama's record is actually quite impressive, even if he and the White House have done a shitty job of promoting it. On Politifact, he has 8 pages of promises kept and 3 pages of promises broken. The broken ones are primarily budgetary issues that have been punted by the GOP controlled Congress.


    Well that's not true. Obama has an abysmal economic record, and besides the debt ceiling debacles, his failed policies were his fault and that of his party. Obama did not have to cave to the health insurance companies and pharmaceuticals, Wall Street, and the 1%. He chose to do so, and his former supporters are rightfully disillusioned with his "more right-wing than Nixon" job performance.

    Nonetheless, the modern GOP cannot be trusted to govern the country better. In fact, they are demonstrably worse than the pathetically bad Democrats.

    This is truly a lesser of two evils election, and it is obvious that none of the GOP nominees deserve to win the White House over Obama, as bad as he has been.
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    Christian73 said... And we still have, what, 10 more Republican debates for the Obama campaign to take sound bites from for ads against the eventual nominee?

    It's delightful.

    Yes, the debates will give the Obama team some opportunities, but against Obama will be his record, the scandals, the lies, the broken promises, and his speeches. There are several web sites that have cataloged many of these lies and broken promises. Outside of all those, his speeches criticizing Americans as being soft and lazy will haunt him. I expect we will see a resurgence of his speech about simple people clinging to their guns and religion. McCain did not choose to use that, but it will be seen again.

    As clear as it is that liberalism will die for at least another generation, say the interval between Carter and Obama, still the election must be taken very seriously. Despite Obama's horrendous record of his pathetic performance, his lack of leadership, his class warfare, he does enjoy some advantages. He will raise a lot of money, though I read today that Bill Burton is not having an easy time of it. He will also continue campaign trips at taxpayer expense, denying he is in campaign mode. And he will have some of advantages in some demographics. The traditional media will still bend his way, but Fox and talk radio have superbly taken out that monopoly. And some, fewer than before, will fall for his blaming everyone, soft and lazy Americans, Congress, Republicans, everyone except for himself.

    But he will face harsh criticism, satire, and ridicule, often not from the Republican candidate, who will need to stay somewhat above it all. Should be quite fun with his thin skin and well known inability to handle criticism. The "socialist" label, accurately compared to West European socialism, will be applied repeatedly. It is toxic, true, and it will stick.

    After his defeat, the liberal ideology will recede, put away for another generation.


    It's actually sort of sad to watch some of these left wing extremists struggle to understand the world around them as they watch their grand experiments fail and for their ideas to continue to lose popularity.

    I think history will show that Obama is responsible more than any other for reawakening the political consciousness of those who share economic conservatism. While I might agree that under his Administration we have seen some social liberalization these were already overwhelming trends of demographics anyway.

    On the other hand I also wonder at what cost. The choices Obama and Congress have made (and particular the growth of the debt and regulatory quagmire) will ripple for possibly decades.
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    Well that's not true. Obama has an abysmal economic record, and besides the debt ceiling debacles, his failed policies were his fault and that of his party. Obama did not have to cave to the health insurance companies and pharmaceuticals, Wall Street, and the 1%. He chose to do so, and his former supporters are rightfully disillusioned with his "more right-wing than Nixon" job performance.

    Nonetheless, the modern GOP cannot be trusted to govern the country better. In fact, they are demonstrably worse than the pathetically bad Democrats.

    This is truly a lesser of two evils election, and it is obvious that none of the GOP nominees deserve to win the White House over Obama, as bad as he has been.


    I agree that Obama could have done better but his "economic record" two years in has been reversing an economy that went from losing 750,000 jobs per month to net growth over the last year. I do think they underestimated how deep the hole was, and that Geitner is a douche who sucks bankster cock, but I'm also seriously not sure they could have gotten better through Congress. I do agree that he could have fought harder.