THE FUCKING NERVE

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    Nov 19, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    so i went to Universal with my boyfriend and we were walking around holding hands. this dude comes up to us and we thought okay, we can humor this guy for a while... he shows us these cards, a pink and a blue. they were optical illusion cards and it was a neat trick and whatnot.

    when he was done with the trick he handed each of us a set and walked away. we turn the cards over and it was all this shit about how its not to late to save ourselves and all this jesus shit.

    I cant believe in 2011 people are still so ignorant! He went out of his way to harass two strangers on HIS vacation with HIS family. and the worst part of it was that it happened so fast that my guy and i didnt realize that we were being homophobed! Is this high school? i feel bullied
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    Nov 19, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    I love how people always think that their ideology is right and other people are wrong. This is why the planet is in the shape it is today. If people can just leave each other the fuck alone and just let them be. You do your thing and I'll do my thing, I accept who you are and I don't try to meddle in your business....wow what a concept.
  • FreakTheBeat

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    Nov 19, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
    Sad :/
  • Suetonius

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    Nov 19, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    Too bad it was upsetting for you. I generally see these people as at least amusing slightly mental defectives. Where I live, we have a continual flow of Jehovahs Witnesses -(odd, since if they believe, as they have told me, there are only 20,000 slots in their heaven, and there are lots more JWs than that, so why are they still looking for more?)

    Mormans can be fun, though. They are quite young, and generally cute and goodlooking. (Digression - Mormans tend to produce more than their fair share of gays - and they tend to be light haired, and don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Except for their always trying to send us to hell, they should be thanked for producing so many men that are perfect additions to the gay population.) They come to the door all smiles, but usually wearing black suits. If you invite them in, they get all excited at the prospects of getting a new convert. Then I try to convert them to homosexuality. Though quite surprised, they are usually quite respectful - (Book of Morman does have some true moments) - they have been well trained , and never lose sight of their goal of converting (even homosexuals). I wonder if any of the few missionaries I have encountered has eventually come out as gay - Have I nurtured any seeds that were already there? The odds are that 1/20 to 1/10 of them are going to turn out to be gay, and I swear that Mormans carry a gay gene that would give a higher percentage than the average population.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    Well, its orlando. And Orlando is like that.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI've had someone do the same to me, and I don't think they even identified me as gay. There are just segments of the population that think as part of their religion they are suppose to evangelize. Like Jahovah' witness' and Mormans. I don't think they really mean any harm it is just part of their belief. I used to be offended, but I try not to let it get to me any more. The one's that bug me are the one's that try to verbal confront me and either tell me their way is the only way or tell how their bible should be interpreted. But I combat that by arming myself with knowledge, because if you get pissed and mad, they win. But if you are able to confront them with a smarter form evangelism, and can point out the faults in their theology at their own level, you win.


    +1 I totally agree with you.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    At least you weren't a waiter and your tip turned out to be one of those religious tracts that looks like a $20 until you unfold it, then it's telling you that you are going to hell.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    Mmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.

    Don't get me wrong. I like God, I just don't like the assholes that work for Him. IMO, I don't think blue and pink cards was what Jesus had in mind.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.

    Don't get me wrong. I like God, I just don't like the assholes that work for Him. IMO, I don't think blue and pink cards was what Jesus had in mind.


    Sounds like he needs a better HR department.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.

    Don't get me wrong. I like God, I just don't like the assholes that work for Him. IMO, I don't think blue and pink cards was what Jesus had in mind.


    Sounds like he needs a better HR department.


    Or fire and replace his PR team.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    electro2089 saidso i went to Universal with my boyfriend and we were walking around holding hands. ...


    Universal the gym? Or, Universal the theme park?

    In either case, the guy was off base.

    If you two were at the gym, I'd consider the cultural norms of gym etiquette and public displays of affection in the gym. It irks me even when straight guys/gals show PDA in the gym.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    successful religion troll was successful, y u mad bro?
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    MrPolish saidsuccessful religion troll was successful, y u mad bro?


    yeah, that stuff never bothers me. I actually feel sorry for them. But its their choice.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.


    This...; glad someone noticed.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
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    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.


    This...; glad someone noticed.


    Well when you come from a place where water turns to wine and dudes split an ocean...parlor tricks are part of the the repertoire.
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
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    wellwell said
    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.


    This...; glad someone noticed.


    Well when you come from a place where water turns to wine and dudes split an ocean...parlor tricks are part of the the repertoire.


    The biggest problem I have with the Bible is that miracles were almost daily occurrences. In modern times, even with information sharing at an all time high we don't see any miracles happening on the scale as it happened in the Bible.

    And the face of Jesus appearing on a taco shell does not count!
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    Nov 19, 2011 3:56 PM GMT
    Do NOT take anything from strangers. Period.

    Your problem will never happen again.
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    Nov 19, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    earthsearch said
    Dallasfan824 said
    wellwell said
    earthsearch saidMmmm... religion using tricks and optical illusion to get people to buy into it. Nothing new here.


    This...; glad someone noticed.


    Well when you come from a place where water turns to wine and dudes split an ocean...parlor tricks are part of the the repertoire.


    The biggest problem I have with the Bible is that miracles were almost daily occurrences. In modern times, even with information sharing at an all time high we don't see any miracles happening on the scale as it happened in the Bible.

    And the face of Jesus appearing on a taco shell does not count!


    That has always been a big stumbling block for me too. Most progressive theologians agree that the bulk of the stories in the Old Testament in particular are folklore intended as a teaching tool. They represent the history of the Jewish people, wildly embellished by the zealous faithful. It's very difficult to argue otherwise and be taken seriously. Christians could and should have an issue with a God who shows favoritism among groups of people as in the OT battle stories.

    I consider myself a Christian in that the core messages Jesus promoted -- loving those around you, caring for the poor and vulnerable -- are keys to a just and healthy society. Pretty much everything else I take with a grain of salt, and I'm grateful to be in a church where nobody tries to tell me I'm wrong.

    To the OP: It seems kind of far-fetched that he'd be wandering around a theme park hoping to come across a same-sex couple to hassle. That brand of Christian typically believes EVERYBODY but their own sect is doomed to eternal tarnation. They show up at our Pride celebration with a bullhorn and we have a lot of fun hassling them. It freaks them out that there are Christians who are pro-gay. We follow them around singing hymns to drown them out and give out leaflets to anybody who stops to listen to them, telling them about our gay-friendly churches. In a way they are doing us a favor.

    However, I'm willing to bet that Universal has a park rule about distributing literature of any kind. Most places like that do, otherwise it would be like shooting fish in a barrel and nobody would be able to enjoy the park because it'd be overrun with people promoting their various causes.
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    Nov 19, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    Don't get all bent out of shape, hopefully if you have some experience like this in the future, you'll be aware and will have time to set the scene straight (pardon the pun)...
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    Nov 19, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    Its too late now but you could have had him removed from the park for solicitation. Wouldn't have fixed the fact he is a bigot, but you would have gotten some satisfaction! :icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 19, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Suetonius said[/cite]Too bad it was upsetting for you. I generally see these people as at least amusing slightly mental defectives. Where I live, we have a continual flow of Jehovahs Witnesses -(odd, since if they believe, as they have told me, there are only 20,000 slots in their heaven, and there are lots more JWs than that, so why are they still looking for more?)



    I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. Yeah, I know, that's why I'm f'd up! icon_lol.gif Anyway, it's 144,000 anointed ones that will go to heaven, not 20,000. In Revelations, it speaks of 12,000 virgins from each of the 12 tribes of Isreal that will reign in heaven with Jesus. Basically, 144,000 will be raptured up before the tribulation and the rest of the good JWs will stay on the Earth. They believe that the rest of JWs will live on a paradise earth for ever and ever and ever, etc. In Psalms something, it says that the "meek shall inherit the earth" and live forever upon it... Yada, yada, and yada, etc. So, the JWs believe that 144,000 of them (the anointed ones) will go to heaven and the rest of them will live on the Earth, hense why there are so many JWs. Last time I checked it was over 5,000,000 +.

    Anyway, yes, I did exactly what the OP talked about. I would approach strangers and try to "save" them from themselves. As a JW, we were taught that we were like Noah, from the Noah's Ark fairy tail, and that it was our job to help save as many people as possible before the great door was closed. We were actually responsible for all of your lives because we were the chosen few. Geesh! What a responsibility.

    I agree that it is arrogant and self righteous for anyone to do such a thing because one would have to put himself/herself on a pedestal and look down on others, which is abhorrent, if you think about it! But, that is the mindset of the self-righteous, fundamentalist and incredulous hypocrites. They actually convince themselves that they are loving you by warning you of your own sinful ways, but in reality, they're arrogant and condescending and forget the rule of, "judge not least ye be judged."



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    Nov 19, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    They don't just proselytize to gays, they do it to each other.

    Just last week I had some at the door. I shhh'd them immediately without saying a word. I ushered them, as I always do, down the fairly long driveway to the street. They tried talking to each other but I shushed them again. Getting them silently off my property, I then said to them. "how would you like it if I violated your sanctuary." I think they went into shock.

    I get back to the house and my phone rings. One of my neighbors received a call from another who didn't at that time have my number. Her teenage child was freightened by someone at the door who wouldn't leave her alone. My neighbors are very religious and, being at work, did not know the nature of that visit at the time. They all called the cops.

    As I'm walking over to check up on the neighbor's kid, the cops show up. Two cars. I point at the offending proselytizer's car for the one cop to intercept and speak with the other before he checks up on my neighbor.

    The proselytizers left our area and I haven't seen them since. The cops said they were not convinced that they weren't just casing the joint. I reported back to one of my neighbors (the guy who called me) on the events. This guy has a cross attached to his home and has church meetings at his house. I told him the cops chased them away. He said something like "not a problem, they were probably just Jehovah Witnesses."
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    Nov 19, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    I'm outside working in the front garden and a half dozen JW's came up the driveway me asking if I'd found Jesus. I said "Why - is he lost?" Then they tried to give me two little magazines and asked for a donation. I just said, "Look - thanks very much, but I'm an Episcopalian." They were gone in a heartbeat.

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    Nov 19, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    CuddleBuddy said[quote][cite]Suetonius said[/cite]Too bad it was upsetting for you. I generally see these people as at least amusing slightly mental defectives. Where I live, we have a continual flow of Jehovahs Witnesses -(odd, since if they believe, as they have told me, there are only 20,000 slots in their heaven, and there are lots more JWs than that, so why are they still looking for more?)



    I was raised a Jehovah's Witness. Yeah, I know, that's why I'm f'd up! icon_lol.gif Anyway, it's 144,000 anointed ones that will go to heaven, not 20,000. In Revelations, it speaks of 12,000 virgins from each of the 12 tribes of Isreal that will reign in heaven with Jesus. Basically, 144,000 will be raptured up before the tribulation and the rest of the good JWs will stay on the Earth. They believe that the rest of JWs will live on a paradise earth for ever and ever and ever, etc. In Psalms something, it says that the "meek shall inherit the earth" and live forever upon it... Yada, yada, and yada, etc. So, the JWs believe that 144,000 of them (the anointed ones) will go to heaven and the rest of them will live on the Earth, hense why there are so many JWs. Last time I checked it was over 5,000,000 +.

    Anyway, yes, I did exactly what the OP talked about. I would approach strangers and try to "save" them from themselves. As a JW, we were taught that we were like Noah, from the Noah's Ark fairy tail, and that it was our job to help save as many people as possible before the great door was closed. We were actually responsible for all of your lives because we were the chosen few. Geesh! What a responsibility.

    I agree that it is arrogant and self righteous for anyone to do such a thing because one would have to put himself/herself on a pedestal and look down on others, which is abhorrent, if you think about it! But, that is the mindset of the self-righteous, fundamentalist and incredulous hypocrites. They actually convince themselves that they are loving you by warning you of your own sinful ways, but in reality, they're arrogant and condescending and forget the rule of, "judge not least ye be judged."





    My Bible study teacher in high school tried to convince us that the 144,000 was not an accurate number and what it actually meant was, that if you crunched the number you would get the number of God. It would be something along the lines of 1-4+3+0+0+0=7 with 7 being the number of God. So it follows that those who believe in God would be the ones that get raptured. The actual calculation he showed us was a lot more convoluted but I can't remember it.

    I did evangelism many years ago and it's all a numbers game. You need to convert as many people as possible. God is a Twitter account and he needs followers. You got a quota that you need to reach and the more souls you 'save' the better your chances of getting into heaven.

    What Christians don't realize is that their tactics tend to alienate more than anything else.
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    Nov 19, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidWell, its orlando. And Orlando is like that.


    True. When my family and I vacation in the Walt Disney World resort, almost every day you could see a plane in the sky writing "God Loves You icon_smile.gif" and whatnot.