The failure of churches to accept homosexuality has been identified as the leading reason why Australians reject Christianity.

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    Nov 21, 2011 6:44 PM GMT
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/11493520/unresolved-problems-taint-church-image/

    The question is, will the leaders of the Christian churches adjust to the new reality after viewing the videos?
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    Nov 21, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    Why should they?

    Either it's a Truth delivered from God or it's not. The popularity of that Truth is or should be immaterial.
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    Nov 21, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said "God" is a creation of man, not the other way around.


    That seems like an odd stance for the church to take though... icon_wink.gif

    When I wrote that I meant that in context of orthodox Christianity there is no reason to change the teaching on homosexuality. It does not matter if almost everyone rejects the message - part of the premise of the faith is that most people will reject it - because the message is supposedly divine.
  • KissTheSky

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    Nov 22, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    Christian churches in the South used to be pro-slavery because there are Bible verses that support it.They managed to change their position on that one.
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    Nov 22, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    Larkin_PLR said
    yourname2000 said "God" is a creation of man, not the other way around.


    That seems like an odd stance for the church to take though... icon_wink.gif

    When I wrote that I meant that in context of orthodox Christianity there is no reason to change the teaching on homosexuality. It does not matter if almost everyone rejects the message - part of the premise of the faith is that most people will reject it - because the message is supposedly divine.

    Same could be said for slavery. That was changed. Women being chattel...that was changed.

    Paul wouldn't even recognize his church today.



    Both make sense; I'd think that Christianity will eventually change to be more accepting of homosexuality. But that would be is the very distant future, and certainly not in our lifetime if we we're talking about the Church - the entity most resistant to change.
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    Nov 24, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
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    yourname2000 said
    Larkin_PLR said
    yourname2000 said "God" is a creation of man, not the other way around.


    That seems like an odd stance for the church to take though... icon_wink.gif

    When I wrote that I meant that in context of orthodox Christianity there is no reason to change the teaching on homosexuality. It does not matter if almost everyone rejects the message - part of the premise of the faith is that most people will reject it - because the message is supposedly divine.

    Same could be said for slavery. That was changed. Women being chattel...that was changed.

    Paul wouldn't even recognize his church today.



    Both make sense; I'd think that Christianity will eventually change to be more accepting of homosexuality. But that would be is the very distant future, and certainly not in our lifetime if we we're talking about the CatholicChurch - the entity most resistant to change.


    Fixed. The popes even against condoms, unless your a hooker or known HIV positive, and only then in "special circumstances". My family is religious to a degree, but they certainly don't think I'm going to hell or nothing. There are several branches of Christianity that are gay friendly, even have gay pastors. But it's the staunchly anti-gay ones that will have their day of reckoning when they drift so far out of line with societal norms that they become the newest Phelps cult.
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    Nov 26, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    I wish that the overwhelming majority of my fellow Americans would develop similar attitudes towards christianity and religion in general just like the Australians. The US is the only first world country that is still strongly influenced by ancient fairy tales known as religious beliefs. In terms of religiousity, the US is much more similar to many third world countries than to its prosperous, first world allies. No wonder our politics are so poisoned by bigotry and backwardness.
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    Nov 26, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    Christianity is not the highest level of holiness. It may be a mountaintop but it is not the highest peak.


    Astrology teaches compassion for better than the Bible. Second, the Hebrew Bible is pre-Age of Pisces, the New Testament kicks off the Age of Pisces. We're now moving into the age of Aquarius. Just as a collection of books for the Age of Aries was unsuitable for the then new age of Pisces, Christianity and the New Testament is unsuitable for our New Age. The title of my book Water Bearing Fish is explained: the Waterbearer Aquarius bears away Pisces.

    Astrology has four angles (for teaching purposes I'll say North South East and West). People with North Node, Sun Sign, and Rising Sign

    at the North - their life is leadership
    at the South - their life is taking care of the family tree and community
    at the East - their life is focusing on partnering
    at the West - their life is focusing on self

    The problem with the Bible is that it make a sin lives that are not (AT BIRTH in the NATAL CHART) in the South (the family tree reason for being).

    There are many churches that only raise the South and East as exemplary.

    I've been a member of a church that forces people out of their North orientation because to have an ego is unChristian. One can only be meek. You can't be your self, if you were born with a North or West orientation. Christian family politics and Christian community politics thwarts the development of people who are anything but South or East. They commit crimes against Nature forcing people into only a South or East mold. This is one reason by Christianity is quite evil. They have no remorse for killing people psychologically, if not more.

    There are some undeniably good things about Christianity, but do not stop at Christianity, go beyond Christianity; and, certainly be very careful in setting it up as an authority for one's soul, those in your charge, community, state, government, civilization, future.
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    Nov 26, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidWhy should they?

    Either it's a Truth delivered from God or it's not. The popularity of that Truth is or should be immaterial.


    How very true! But the question is whether Christianity-the-religion is the same as the teachings of Christianity-the-organization. In particular, the condemnation of homosexual relationships isn't anywhere in Christian scripture and is an entirely artificial construct.

    The various Churches could simply reverse their stance and admit they have been reading certain passages wrong, without any harm to their theology. Their failure to do so comes across as mean-spirited for a very good reason.
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    Nov 30, 2011 3:33 AM GMT
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    Larkin_PLR saidWhy should they?

    Either it's a Truth delivered from God or it's not. The popularity of that Truth is or should be immaterial.


    How very true! But the question is whether Christianity-the-religion is the same as the teachings of Christianity-the-organization. In particular, the condemnation of homosexual relationships isn't anywhere in Christian scripture and is an entirely artificial construct.

    The various Churches could simply reverse their stance and admit they have been reading certain passages wrong, without any harm to their theology. Their failure to do so comes across as mean-spirited for a very good reason.


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    Many passages have been read wrong. The theology is harmed once one starts reading passages correctly. Would you only want a reading that doesn't harm the theology?

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    Nov 30, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidWhy should they?
    Either it's a Truth delivered from God or it's not. The popularity of that Truth is or should be immaterial.

    Be patient. It takes people time to adjust. The Church in general is just really slow ;-) But Truth will always prevail.
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    Dec 06, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
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    Larkin_PLR saidWhy should they?

    Either it's a Truth delivered from God or it's not. The popularity of that Truth is or should be immaterial.

    Sorry L, but that's just naive.

    This is one of those times when it's just undeniable that the church serves man, not the other way around. If "god's message" doesn't change, "god's message" won't be heard on the lips of man. Period.

    We're way past grasping at anything to explain away the scary darkness in the world around us.....we're enlightened to the point that the old christian lamp is now the dimmest light in the room.

    Christianity will change, as it has changed a thousand times before. And when we've finetuned it back to relevance for the society it serves, we again will lift it up on a pedestal as "god's word"....but don't be deluded, the words are ours collectively. "God" is a creation of man, not the other way around.


    1. What word? The words people want to hear now aren't in The Bible. So what word are you talking about? What's the name of the canonized or canonizable book that is our collective words?

    2. Notions of God are creations of man. Man did not create God or planetary deities.
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    Dec 06, 2011 2:39 AM GMT
    Fascinating how the percentage of people who self-identify as Christian drops with age in Australia--and probably not just Australia.
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    Dec 06, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    Where are the videos? I would like to see those!
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    Dec 06, 2011 2:46 AM GMT
    Well the Episcopal church should be doing well.....

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    Dec 06, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWell the Episcopal church should be doing well.....

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    Is the Episcopal not the protestant chuch of England? Episcopal is just so American.......
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    Dec 06, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    Heaven to Murgatroyd batman, what a whole lot of crap.

    For one Oz has never been the christian country America [is]. Our Country's motto is not In "God We Trust!" No we do not have the strong religus roots America has, albeit there are American religions in this country that want to force their way of thought on us; invade us if you like, and religions like the Mormons are growing in Oz, but the Catholic Church has never been able to call Oz it's very own as it has long wanted to force it's will on us.

    Sorry guys but religion not having a stronghold in Oz had nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact it is because of religion in Oz, that this thing called gay marriage is a long way off, because people fear once you start to smash apart like the hetrosexual institution of marriage, to allow homosexual's; where will it stop? Albeit homosexuals couples of Oz can already make their commitments and get recognition with Civil Unions.

    If what has been said, when parliament have the conscious vote on same sex marriage, it should be a shoe in to pass, but sadly it is a long way from passing, because the article at hand has it all wrong. I have seen the acceptance of homosexual change over 40 years. I also recall the dark days of the gay plauge, and all the fear and the public were a step away from turning on us, and lynching.