The Casually Pepper Spray Everything Cop

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    Nov 21, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    Ok, I loled at the little kid at the wedding, that was hilarious!
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    Nov 21, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    These are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThese are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?


    Of course some physical force is necessary. After all, we allow officers to shoot dangerous suspects who pose a threat, so why wouldn't we allow them to exert some physical force.

    The issue is what type of physical force and under what circumstance. If we take your example of officers being encircled, then I see how it is permissible for the police to break the chain. Enclosing the officers compromises their ability to do the job.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    It was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidThese are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?


    Of course some physical force is necessary. After all, we allow officers to shoot dangerous suspects who pose a threat, so why wouldn't we allow them to exert some physical force.

    The issue is what type of physical force and under what circumstance. If we take your example of officers being encircled, then I see how it is permissible for the police to break the chain. Enclosing the officers compromises their ability to do the job.


    But blocking their path does not? I mean, this is where it is getting to be sort of a grey area.

    Also, Officers of the law need to have authority to do their job, these kids tried to compromise that authority. As such, it impedes the officer's ability to do their job.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fair share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif
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    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fare share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif


    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:43 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fare share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif


    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Chainers said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fare share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif


    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.


    Whether or not it was unnecessary is debatable, I would say so. If you defy the orders from police in riot gear expect to get pepper sprayed in the face. Its not rocket science here.
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    Nov 21, 2011 11:52 PM GMT
    Man, this thread was not nearly as fun as I thought it would be. Le sigh.
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    Nov 22, 2011 12:02 AM GMT
    Chainers said
    creature said
    socalfitness saidThese are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?


    Of course some physical force is necessary. After all, we allow officers to shoot dangerous suspects who pose a threat, so why wouldn't we allow them to exert some physical force.

    The issue is what type of physical force and under what circumstance. If we take your example of officers being encircled, then I see how it is permissible for the police to break the chain. Enclosing the officers compromises their ability to do the job.


    But blocking their path does not? I mean, this is where it is getting to be sort of a grey area.

    Also, Officers of the law need to have authority to do their job, these kids tried to compromise that authority. As such, it impedes the officer's ability to do their job.


    I was replying to the example socalfitness gave regarding an allegation that the protesters had enveloped the officers. I would also consider blocking their path as another example of compromising their duties.

    To be fair to the officers, they are acting on orders. If we take the University of California Davis campus as an example, it's possible that no police force was necessary. I'm not familiar with the campus so I don't know what parts of the campus the protestors were blocking, and if their size made any difference for students going around them. The university may have overreacted to their presence. I can't say without knowing all the details. There could be a location that the administration could have compromised with the protestors to occupy — a location that is largely visible, but without blocking frequented paths.
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    Nov 22, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    endo saidMan, this thread was not nearly as fun as I thought it would be. Le sigh.


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    endo saidMan, this thread was not nearly as fun as I thought it would be. Le sigh.

    Hey sorry for my part in making it serious. Didn't want to start another thread on the same topic.
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    Nov 22, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidThese are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?
    Its called the 'continuum of force' and several leading experts in that field today condemned this action after watching these videos.
    I am fully aware/trained of/in 'continuum of force' and its use designed for US Embassy Marines.

    This incident/use would NOT have been allowed in 'that' scenario.
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    Nov 22, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidThese are really funny.

    Let me ask a couple of serious questions. First, I heard that the police claimed the protestors had deliberately formed a circle around them, preventing their egress. Don't know if that is true or if it would be relevant to their actions. Second, any police use of force is subject to investigation. If their use of force is determined to be excessive, they will be held to account.

    My questions - do you agree that some use of force, maybe just physically carrying them out is justified if they refuse a lawful order to move? If their arms are interlocked, would you agree that some force, not intentionally enough to break their arms, would be justified if required to physically separate them in order to move them?
    Its called the 'continuum of force' and several leading experts in that field today condemned this action after watching these videos.
    I am fully aware/trained of/in 'continuum of force' and its use designed for US Embassy Marines.

    This incident/use would NOT have been allowed in 'that' scenario.


    Thank you TropicalMark.

    I took a course on policing and I was trying really hard to remember the term. The use of pepper spray in the Davis campus incident did appear excessive, especially given the non-threatening circumstance.

    If I was a policeman, I would have tried to physically restrain them, without striking them unless the person was preparing to strike me first.

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    Nov 22, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Chainers said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fare share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif


    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.


    UC Davis is a liberal run institution. I think the pepper spray was excessive. But I am not the real judge here.

    Is the assumption that if a police misbehave that automatically the police presence behind it is some conservative controlled government entity?

    Davis is one of the most Liberal Universities in the United States. Complain to the University establishment.
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    Nov 22, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    catfish5 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Chainers said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt was pepper spray not battery acid icon_rolleyes.gif Pass the salt please icon_lol.gif


    Maybe we should battery acid them next time.




    Oh noooooo the libs would never EVER condone such a thing --- unless of course it was against a group of protesting gay hating rich Republicans that don't pay their "fare share" of taxes. icon_wink.gif


    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.


    UC Davis is a liberal run institution. I think the pepper spray was excessive. But I am not the real judge here.

    Is the assumption that if a police misbehave that automatically the police presence behind it is some conservative controlled government entity?

    Davis is one of the most Liberal Universities in the United States. Complain to the University establishment.


    The police officer was told to stop and did it anyway. He should be brought up on charges. I am near certain that he and the University will be sued, as they should be.

    Your argument that the college is a liberal institution is silly. New York City is a liberal town, does that mean our protesters were not pepper-sprayed.

    I am related and friends with many cops but I always remember the old Richard Goldstein adage: "If we believe that pedophiles want to be school teachers and Boy Scout leaders, shouldn't we also believe that sadists want to work in law enforcement."

    While I wouldn't compare the social good of policing to the social (and individual) ill of child molestation, the point is that if you want to be able to control people and physically harm them, being a police officer is a sanctioned way to do so.
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    Nov 22, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
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    Fair share. Free speech is what makes America great. Unnecessary or excessive use of force should never be condoned.


    UC Davis is a liberal run institution. I think the pepper spray was excessive. But I am not the real judge here.

    Is the assumption that if a police misbehave that automatically the police presence behind it is some conservative controlled government entity?


    Again Ironic UC DAVIS is a Liberal run institution.

    So is this bad cop a reflection of just him? Cops in general ?

    Establishment?

    If this is a Established policy, who made the policy? this guy was campus police and run by the campus.

    So I am not sure how one can make the connection without making a huge leap.

    Seams like the sensitivity training did that cop alot of good.
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    Nov 22, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
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    Whether or not it was unnecessary is debatable, I would say so. If you defy the orders from police in riot gear expect to get pepper sprayed in the face. Its not rocket science here.

    Only in the country we've become, not the one that I grew up in.
    And we've become it because people like you think this is amusing.


    I dont recall LOLing...
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    This is hilarious!