How NOT to apply

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    Nov 21, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
    So I am looking for a job at a restaurant or bar... I sent in numerous applications for hotels and banquet service positions today. I am about to make the rounds to a few new resto/bars, and a few longstanding locally-owned ones around Tempe...



    I have a question for anyone in a managerial position:

    If I walked in, shook your hand, looked you in the eye, smiled, and said " Hey, I'm the new server you haven't had a chance to hire yet... How are you?"


    Would you respect this, laugh, or tell me to GTFO?

    It seems to have made a good impression twice... but let me know if you think this is a good idea....
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    Nov 21, 2011 8:58 PM GMT
    I wouldnt give a shit. Go in and ask if they have any openings. If you started as a bus boy would you care as much?
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    Nov 21, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    I'm not going to start as a bus boy. I'm going to start as a server.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI'm not going to start as a bus boy. I'm going to start as a server.


    So if you went to every single restaurant in your area and they only had bus boy openings, you would rather be unemployed than work as a bus boy for 2 years and get promoted?

    This is why our generation sucks, we dont know how to work our way up in the world.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI'm not going to start as a bus boy. I'm going to start as a server.


    So if you went to every single restaurant in your area and they only had bus boy openings, you would rather be unemployed than work as a bus boy for 2 years and get promoted?

    This is why our generation sucks, we dont know how to work our way up in the world.


    Well... I wont be in this shit town that long. I'd rather not waste my time working my way up in an industry that will be merely a filler job for me. I've done that. Sure - I'd do it in LA.. definitely. But not here.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:03 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier said
    Chainers said
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI'm not going to start as a bus boy. I'm going to start as a server.


    So if you went to every single restaurant in your area and they only had bus boy openings, you would rather be unemployed than work as a bus boy for 2 years and get promoted?

    This is why our generation sucks, we dont know how to work our way up in the world.


    Well... I wont be in this shit town that long. I'd rather not waste my time working my way up in an industry that will be merely a filler job for me. I've done that.


    So you would be happily unemployed than employed at all?

    This is why our generation sucks, we dont know how to earn experience and realize that, while it may not be the career choice of yours, try to learn something from the job.

    Im not saying go in expecting a bus boy position, but if you go in demanding that you be a server and nothing else, you will probably see the door. In this economy, there are many people who want to get a job.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    It's rare that someone with 3+ years experience serving goes back to bussing unless the place is REALLY worth it and they plan on staying.

    Key point: I will not live here in a year.

    Key point # 2 : Scottsdale / Tempe have a HUGE influx of seasonal business. People are looking for servers.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidIt's rare that someone with 3+ years experience serving goes back to bussing unless the place is REALLY worth it and they plan on staying.

    Key point: I will not live here in a year.

    Key point # 2 : Scottsdale / Tempe have a HUGE influx of seasonal business. People are looking for servers.


    Great! If they offer you a serving position take it, but if they offer you a bus boy position dont be butt hurt and swallow your pride a bit. Sometimes the way up is to take a step down.

    Also, dont tell them you wont be their in a year, people want longevity.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    ThePenIsMyTier saidIt's rare that someone with 3+ years experience serving goes back to bussing unless the place is REALLY worth it and they plan on staying.

    Key point: I will not live here in a year.

    Key point # 2 : Scottsdale / Tempe have a HUGE influx of seasonal business. People are looking for servers.


    Great! If they offer you a serving position take it, but if they offer you a bus boy position dont be butt hurt and swallow your pride a bit. Sometimes the way up is to take a step down.

    Also, dont tell them you wont be their in a year, people want longevity.


    Of course.
    I'd take the position and apply elsewhere every day.
    This thread was mostly about the question I posed. Thanks or the tips, though.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    to be honest I would think you were coming off being obnoxious, translated it's like saying "you're obligated to hire me"
    I'd just apply and call them back every so often to let them know you're serious about working icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    My ex owned several restaurants / bars / clubs. Personality was a BIG plus and at times even trumped some practical experience.

    If your described approach has brought some success in the past - keep it.

    I actually think it will work - ESPECIALLY in the location you are in.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidSo I am looking for a job at a restaurant or bar... I sent in numerous applications for hotels and banquet service positions today. I am about to make the rounds to a few new resto/bars, and a few longstanding locally-owned ones around Tempe...



    I have a question for anyone in a managerial position:

    If I walked in, shook your hand, looked you in the eye, smiled, and said " Hey, I'm the new server you haven't had a chance to hire yet... How are you?"


    Would you respect this, laugh, or tell me to GTFO?

    It seems to have made a good impression twice... but let me know if you think this is a good idea....


    Personally, I would find it arrogant. I don't think that anyone approaching a serving position feeling overly entitled would do a good job. If you have that much experience, then it becomes a matter of schedule availability and whether the manager thinks you would click with the rest of the staff (i.e. treat the manager the way you think he/she would like you to treat the patrons of the restaurant).
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    If you do that, you better say it with complete confidence and be able to back it up in your experience and how you handle yourself. I don't see that working in any other case. People aren't dumb, they know exactly what you're doing.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    I guess what I'm hearing is... as long as it doesn't come across arrogant, but shows personality instead...

    Meh. I'll just feel out the manager's attitude and go from there..
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI guess what I'm hearing is... as long as it doesn't come across arrogant, but shows personality instead...

    Meh. I'll just feel out the manager's attitude and go from there..


    Just be natural and you will do just fine, that is all.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:25 PM GMT
    FierceEyes said
    ThePenIsMyTier saidSo I am looking for a job at a restaurant or bar... I sent in numerous applications for hotels and banquet service positions today. I am about to make the rounds to a few new resto/bars, and a few longstanding locally-owned ones around Tempe...



    I have a question for anyone in a managerial position:

    If I walked in, shook your hand, looked you in the eye, smiled, and said " Hey, I'm the new server you haven't had a chance to hire yet... How are you?"


    Would you respect this, laugh, or tell me to GTFO?

    It seems to have made a good impression twice... but let me know if you think this is a good idea....


    Personally, I would find it arrogant. I don't think that anyone approaching a serving position feeling overly entitled would do a good job. If you have that much experience, then it becomes a matter of schedule availability and whether the manager thinks you would click with the rest of the staff (i.e. treat the manager the way you think he/she would like you to treat the patrons of the restaurant).


    I agree with FierceEyes. A cold-call wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, but you should avoid making yourself seem cocky.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI guess what I'm hearing is... as long as it doesn't come across arrogant, but shows personality instead...

    Meh. I'll just feel out the manager's attitude and go from there..


    Feeling up the Manager will definitely get you the job...wait....what?
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    chainers stfu.

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    Nov 21, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidchainers stfu.



    Kiss my ass bitch, why dont you go have sex with Kardio, oh thats right, because he didnt even say good-bye when he left.
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    Nov 21, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidSo I am looking for a job at a restaurant or bar... I sent in numerous applications for hotels and banquet service positions today. I am about to make the rounds to a few new resto/bars, and a few longstanding locally-owned ones around Tempe...



    I have a question for anyone in a managerial position:

    If I walked in, shook your hand, looked you in the eye, smiled, and said " Hey, I'm the new server you haven't had a chance to hire yet... How are you?"


    Would you respect this, laugh, or tell me to GTFO?

    It seems to have made a good impression twice... but let me know if you think this is a good idea....



    OK. I am a business professor who works with students on resumes, etc.

    The truth of the matter is - it all depends on who the person in charge is and what kind of mood they are in. I like the confidence in your approach and some will also.

    One thing you need to be sure of - do not decide to go early in the morning when they are first opening - the noon rush hour - or late in the day. Make sure you are dressed appropriately. And really important in this day and age that most people do not think about - do some internet research on the restaurant - what they serve, how they operate, who the owners are, etc. That is how you will wow and impress them into hiring you.

    Also, if you are ever in an interview and they ask if you have any questions. Do not ask about money or vacation time. Ask them what they love most about the place. That turns the tables on them, but will also impress them. - I actually learned that from one of my students and used it in the interview for the job I have now.


    Good luck!!!

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    Nov 21, 2011 10:20 PM GMT
    I think this would work better in a small Mom and Pop shop than a high class restaurant.
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    Nov 21, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    Put out, thats my suggestion
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    Nov 21, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    Claystation saidPut out, thats my suggestion


    That's always a good suggestion.
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    Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    If I were the manager or hiring agent, and if you looked clean and neat and smiled as you said that I would sure think seriously about hiring you.
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    Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidIf I walked in, shook your hand, looked you in the eye, smiled, and said " Hey, I'm the new server you haven't had a chance to hire yet... How are you?"


    Would you respect this, laugh, or tell me to GTFO?
    I'd say "damn you're a cocky little fucker, ain't ya. Meet your match, bitch. You're fucking hired."