Hillary Clinton tells New York lawmakers she is open to being Barack Obama's running mate, The Associated Press reports.

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    Jun 03, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
    This is just hitting CNN.com.

    What do you think?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 03, 2008 7:46 PM GMT
    I think it would be a prudent move and would likely appease many of the Hillary supporters, including myself. I think we will just have to wait and see what happens. The most important thing is all involved showing party unity as we move forward.
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    Jun 04, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    I think them burying the hatchet and creating the "Dream Ticket" is an appealing idea, but I doubt it would play out in reality. Regardless of who gets tapped as his running mate, the decision will be overanalyzed for weeks in the media for their lack of anything better to do.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 04, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    Horrible idea, forget about it. Obama needs a good running mate that will help him appeal to as many of the voters as possible. Hillary will try to do anything and say anything to get herself elected. She is definately not trustworthy. She cannot stand the idea of losing the democratic nomination to Obama so now she is cooking up this horrendous idea. There are far better and more qualified democrats out there that would be excellent running mates for Obama. Hillary needs to end her horse and pony show and go back home to Westchester County, NY.
  • Timbales

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    Jun 04, 2008 12:55 AM GMT
    I think she needs to f*cking get back to work representing the people of New f*cking York like she is supposed to be doing. icon_mad.gif
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    Jun 04, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    There is another thread on the same topic. I will say what I said on that topic. Bad idea, she is too used to being top dog and loves power too much. Cheney demonstrated what can happen when a very smart and headstrong person is VP. I think it is time for the Clinton's to give up the idea of the Presidency and let another up and coming Democrat have a crack at the levers of power.
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    Jun 04, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
    After reading The Post-American World, I am more convinced that America needs to present a very new and different face to the world. Obama is definitely that face. I think a Hillary candidacy would look too much like the same old same old.

    But would Hillary provide that same drag if she were the VP. Bill maintained a pretty good relationship with the world. So even if Hillary carried a bit of the old with her, it wouldnt be the Bush/Republican old. And the world may respond to the fact that these two are Democrats, and not Bush/Republicans.

    Hillary certainly has some strong constituencies that she may bring with her as VP. Especially if people feel that in 8 years, she will be in line for the presidency, provided they dont fuck things up in the interim years.

    Picking someone else as VP may make a clean break with the past. No Bush, no Clinton pasts to deal with. But ditching Hillary and putting someone else in may be a harsh slap at Hillary's supporters and leave a bad feeling in the Democratic party.

    Who are the alternatives to Hillary for VP? What are their pros and cons?

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    Jun 04, 2008 1:07 AM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 saidThere is another thread on the same topic. I will say what I said on that topic. Bad idea, she is too used to being top dog and loves power too much. Cheney demonstrated what can happen when a very smart and headstrong person is VP. I think it is time for the Clinton's to give up the idea of the Presidency and let another up and coming Democrat have a crack at the levers of power.


    I would see an Obama/Clinton administration as being like Clinton/Gore. Hillary would be given some important tasks to pursue so she isnt twiddling her thumbs for 8 years.
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    Jun 04, 2008 1:08 AM GMT
    There are alternatives to Hillary, but she is an excellent and appropriate choice for that position.
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    Jun 04, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    in theory yes it would work but in reality it is a bad idea. he represents change. that has been the core of his message from day 1. to put her on the ticket, means that his message of change will not completely come to fruition.

    for her, she was going for the presidency, not the vice presidency, so i doubt she would be happy there as a vp. Hillary is a formidable challenger but her run is over.
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    Jun 04, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    Caslon4000 said[quote][cite]Wysiwyg60 said[/cite]There is another thread on the same topic. I will say what I said on that topic. Bad idea, she is too used to being top dog and loves power too much. Cheney demonstrated what can happen when a very smart and headstrong person is VP. I think it is time for the Clinton's to give up the idea of the Presidency and let another up and coming Democrat have a crack at the levers of power.


    I would see an Obama/Clinton administration as being like Clinton/Gore. Hillary would be given some important tasks to pursue so she isnt twiddling her thumbs for 8 years.[/quote]

    My fear is she would try and usurp his power and undermine him. She is also a very divisive figure in American politics, she could lose as many votes as she could gain. I wanted Hillary as President, but VP, I think Obama could pick a few others. The Economist magazine had a column on the so-called "dream ticket" of Obama-Clinto and proposed some alternatives including John Edwards, Chuck Hagel (anti-Iraq War Republican), Wesley Clark (former general), Jim Webb (former secretary of the navy).

    One of Obama's big weakness is his lack of credentials on foreign policy, he needs to reassure voters with a VP that has some background in that area. Hillary Clinton's trip to Bosnia where she imagined she was dodging bullets does not quite cut it.

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    Jun 04, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 said[I wanted Hillary as President, but VP, I think Obama could pick a few others. The Economist magazine had a column on the so-called "dream ticket" of Obama-Clinto and proposed some alternatives including John Edwards, Chuck Hagel (anti-Iraq War Republican), Wesley Clark (former general), Jim Webb (former secretary of the navy).


    Jim Webb is my senator. He has all the personality of oatmeal. He is stiffer than a fence post. He may add military crediblity, but on the campaign trail, he would bore America silly. He only won in Virginia, because his opponent, incumbent senator George Allen, made that "macaca" comment and Virginia, not only has a large African-american population, but a large foreign population of asian Indians, etc because of our large technology industry...the Silicon Valley of the East.
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    Jun 04, 2008 2:47 AM GMT
    I'd prefer somebody else. I can't quite forgive Hillary for that rancid bankruptcy bill she championed in order to be more palatable to the right wing. Plus, she USED to be the health care champion. Now she's #1 in getting contributions from that very industry. As VP, she has some appeal, but she's drowning in campaign debt and has huge baggage from the Clinton years. And could she really be second banana to Obama? (hmmm, I'm a poet)

    It's time for desperately-needed change, and Obama can do better.
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    Jun 04, 2008 3:08 AM GMT
    Hillary is a liability. Obama needs to run away from that clucking hen NOW.

    Man I'm glad there are no lesbains on this site. I'd be toast.

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    Jun 04, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    I think it's one of those things that in theory sounds pretty amazing but in practical application could be a case of the whole being much less than the sum of the parts. i don't think Hil would actively, consciously undermine Obama, but I could def see her chafing at being second banana for ANOTHER 8 years. She's not exactly warm and cuddly now, if she's has to bury resentment and smile through a million press conferences things could get down right ugly. I'd like to think she's a bigger person than that but my gut says something different. Plus I can see Obama not reading the signs and quelling his ego enough to truly include Hillary in the administration in a compelling and meaningful way.
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    Jun 04, 2008 4:17 AM GMT
    Raptor saidI think I, like many other registered Democrats who support her, are still a little bit upset that so many people are hypnotized into Obama's messianic zeal of "change," that they ignore Hillary's political work and her husband's political work and if she is not on his ticket, it is very likely that I will take my vote and my money and support John McCain. It is, after all, mine to do with as I wish. And you all know that it will be a mountainous fight for Obama to win over the swing states that she won.


    So a vote to you is simply a reward to hand out? What about what your vote does for you? I doubt a McCain vote would get you very much.

    Change is what the country wants, and that's what it plans on getting. Hillary failed to realize the level of America's frustration with the old guard and her campaign got blindsided. She is not the least bit perceptive. That's why she false-starts everything she undertakes, and then turns it into an "underdog" or "fighter" persona. What a waste of time and energy for all involved. She basically runs around reacting rather than anticipating. Conversely, Obama is incredibly intuitive, and we need a guy with a high level of complex thought and intellectual curiosity in the White House. Hillary would be useless to such a person.
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    Raptor saidI think I, like many other registered Democrats who support her, are still a little bit upset that so many people are hypnotized into Obama's messianic zeal of "change," that they ignore Hillary's political work and her husband's political work and if she is not on his ticket, it is very likely that I will take my vote and my money and support John McCain. It is, after all, mine to do with as I wish. And you all know that it will be a mountainous fight for Obama to win over the swing states that she won.


    Earlier today I read a quote by Hillary Clinton saying something along the lines of, "life is like high school".

    She's right.

    Perhaps some people (like me) are supporting Obama because they see a difference between Obama and McCain. One of the greatest differences being the difference in how many lives could be cut short between 2009 and 2012. That simply being one layer upon a dozen.

    Fine. Support McCain. You have that right. Like the right that corporations get a free pass on poisoning our air and water this present and perhaps future republican administration has fought tooth and nail for. Because they care so much about you and I.

    But I have no qualms in saying that anyone who votes McCain this election has either been seriously misled, or have no heart. Truly. A vote for McCain isn't American. No. Its either a vote for ideology over human life, or a vote for bitterness as opposed to righteous compromise, or, for racism vs rationality; rationality vs irrationality.

    Everyone who's voting for McCain knows how much he and this administration has dupped the American people, with billions of dollars stolen and hundreds of thousands of lives stolen as well. It takes real, serious, grand self delusions to even press that button for McCain in November.

    You're scared of putting this country in the hands of a man with a short resume but proposes many knowledgeble goals and ideals yet you don't mind putting it in the hands of a man who's intent on carrying on the downward spiral of America?

    I don't understand how some people on this earth can live with themselves.



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    Raptor saidI think I, like many other registered Democrats who support her, are still a little bit upset that so many people are hypnotized into Obama's messianic zeal of "change," that they ignore Hillary's political work and her husband's political work and if she is not on his ticket, it is very likely that I will take my vote and my money and support John McCain. It is, after all, mine to do with as I wish. And you all know that it will be a mountainous fight for Obama to win over the swing states that she won.


    Honestly u make no sense. I am all about u voting for who u want to vote for, at the end of the day you should just vote. But i am also for people making SMART decisions. as a hillary supporter, to go and vote for mccain, is ridiculous. u vote for a platform, for a vision. hillary and barack have way more in common than barack and mccain, in fact hillary an obama are almost identical in their platforms. so to vote for mccain is a smack in the face to everything that hillary stands for. it is just an angry ego that is willing to take a vote and go vote for someone with a message that is completely against what ur initial candidate stands for because ur candidate of choice lost a fair fight. u dont punish the victor. quite frankly it seems like u dont truly understand what this process is about.