Mitt Romney's 1st Ad, and it's a Failure

  • creature

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    Nov 22, 2011 12:25 PM GMT
    Funny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Now with Romney's first ad, he appears to be following in McCain's footsteps.

    The 60-second Romney ad quoted Obama as saying, "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose."

    It sounds like Obama is talking about his own chances in 2012. But it's actually a clip of Obama mocking his 2008 opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz), for not wanting to talk about the economy in the final stretch of that election. McCain's response to the collapse of the financial sector in the fall of 2008 is widely cited as a contributing factor to his loss.

    The full Obama quote, included in a Romney press release as part of an Oct. 16, 2008 speech at a Londonderry, N.H., campaign stop, was this: "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, 'If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.'"


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/obama-campaign-romney-tv-ad_n_1106832.html?ref=politics

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    Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.
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    Nov 22, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
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    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.


    So you're fine with campaign ads that purposefully lie and distort statements? Good. Romney has said more than enough to make it easy for the Obama campaign.
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    Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.


    So you're fine with campaign ads that purposefully lie and distort statements? Good. Romney has said more than enough to make it easy for the Obama campaign.

    We don't need to run the campaign here, but if you do a google search of Obama broken promises and lies, you could spend the next day reading. Romney will need to explain how rescuing a few companies from going under meant losing some jobs, with the alternative all jobs lost. Obama's one business deal, buying a house with someone known to be under investigation. (I know, people don't care about Rezko and Obama's past, only Romney's LOL) Bring on the campaign. Can't wait.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    WOW.. Just saw this ad. Unbelievable. Romney has reached an all time low in credibility!
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:38 PM GMT

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obama-said-if-we-keep-talking-abo/We certainly think it’s fair for Romney to attack Obama for his response to the economy. And the Romney camp can argue that Obama’s situation in 2011 is ironic considering the comments he made in 2008. But those points could have been made without distorting Obama’s words, which have been taken out of context in a ridiculously misleading way. We rate the Romney ad’s portrayal of Obama’s 2008 comments Pants on Fire.

    Rated "pants on fire."
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    It's so disgusting and irrational that the Repubs have spent the last couple of years ranting and raving about Obama's "Socialist" Obamacare - and then to see that they're going to nominate Mitt ROMNEYCARE to be their presidential nominee.
    Romney signed the equally "Socialist" Romneycare into law!

    The Repubs have ZERO integrity honor and credibilty.
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    Nov 22, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.


    That is not how Romney's ad presented the line. Notice that what is absent is "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote."

    The viewer who sees this ad is not going to remember under what context Obama said those words, they only seem them in isolation as it is presented in the ad.

    I'm sure Romney is thankful that people like you turn the other way.
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    Nov 22, 2011 11:48 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.


    That is not how Romney's ad presented the line. Notice that what is absent is "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote."

    The viewer who sees this ad is not going to remember under what context Obama said those words, they only seem them in isolation as it is presented in the ad.

    I'm sure Romney is thankful that people like you turn the other way.

    Not turning the other way at all. When your words mock someone, they might come back and bite you too. So it was taken out of context - boo hoo, that's politics. Like the Democrats or their newspapers never take things out of context.
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    Nov 22, 2011 11:49 PM GMT
    Sadly in "Republican think," the end justifies the means. All is forgiven as long as the R's get the win.
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    Nov 22, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidWOW.. Just saw this ad. Unbelievable. Romney has reached an all time low in credibility!




    and he hasn't even received the GOP nomination yet!



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    Nov 23, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    catfish5 saidSadly in "Republican think," the end justifies the means. All is forgiven as long as the R's get the win.


    It's the FOX News watchin ... George Bush excusing ... Sara Palin lovin crowd that hears this shit and goes ... Okay icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 23, 2011 12:08 AM GMT
    Actually, the FULL quote by Obama is:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obama-said-if-we-keep-talking-abo/"Even as we face the most serious economic crisis of our time, even as you are worried about keeping your jobs or paying your bills or staying in your homes, my opponent's campaign announced earlier this month that they want to ‘turn the page’ on the discussion about our economy so they can spend the final weeks of this election attacking me instead," Obama said in the speech. "Sen. McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.’"
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    Nov 23, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    creature said
    socalfitness said
    creature saidFunny, I read socalfitness alleging President Obama's re-election campaign would be the ugliest smear campaign. This in spite of the fact that it's generally agreed that McCain's took smearing to a whole new level.

    Generally agreed by whom? One of the more incredible statements made on RJ! McCain stated in a debate that he wouldn't address Obama's past associations, which would have been damaging to Obama. He even insisted that parties at the state level do the same:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/24/us-usa-politics-mccain-ad-idUSN2429689820080424

    McCain couldn't have run a more milquetoast campaign. If you think that was a smear, you ain't seen nothing. It will be interesting seeing all the indignation that will come as Obama gets exactly what he deserves this time.

    As far as the current ad, it's fine. Shows that what Obama mocked about his opponent now applies to him. Let him wear it well now that the shoe is on the other foot.


    That is not how Romney's ad presented the line. Notice that what is absent is "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote."

    The viewer who sees this ad is not going to remember under what context Obama said those words, they only seem them in isolation as it is presented in the ad.

    I'm sure Romney is thankful that people like you turn the other way.

    Not turning the other way at all. When your words mock someone, they might come back and bite you too. So it was taken out of context - boo hoo, that's politics. Like the Democrats or their newspapers never take things out of context.


    Thank you for sharing what you find to be acceptable politics. It's a shame you are not supportive of a more intellectual engagement between opposing viewpoints.
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    Nov 23, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    So mocking words are OK then...

    Mitt Romney, in his own words (from the clip above):We should just raise everybody's taxes.
    There's nothing unique about the United States.
    Government knows better than a free people how to guide an economy.
    Fiscal responsibility is heartless, and immoral.
    Let's just raise your taxes more, we just need a little bit more.
    America is just a nation with another flag.


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    Nov 23, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    creature said Thank you for sharing what you find to be acceptable politics. It's a shame you are not supportive of a more intellectual engagement between opposing viewpoints.

    Well we haven't seen a scholarly discussion of opposing viewpoints from Obama, have we? Only blame the Republicans in Congress, the American people, everyone but himself? Nope. How many teams of reporters went to Alaska to examine Palin's gynecological records? This time it's going to get rough, and as they say, the broom brushes both ways.
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    Nov 23, 2011 12:35 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    creature said Thank you for sharing what you find to be acceptable politics. It's a shame you are not supportive of a more intellectual engagement between opposing viewpoints.

    Well we haven't seen a scholarly discussion of opposing viewpoints from Obama, have we? Only blame the Republicans in Congress, the American people, everyone but himself? Nope. How many teams of reporters went to Alaska to examine Palin's gynecological records? This time it's going to get rough, and as they say, the broom brushes both ways.


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    Nov 23, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
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    creature said Thank you for sharing what you find to be acceptable politics. It's a shame you are not supportive of a more intellectual engagement between opposing viewpoints.

    Well we haven't seen a scholarly discussion of opposing viewpoints from Obama, have we? Only blame the Republicans in Congress, the American people, everyone but himself? Nope. How many teams of reporters went to Alaska to examine Palin's gynecological records? This time it's going to get rough, and as they say, the broom brushes both ways.


    The Dems have a buttload of real quotes in the actual context that will destroy Romney. Is that the kind of Prez campaign you want? Because Romney just threw the first punch. How bout a real discussion on real issues?