Does this guy make all gays "look bad"?

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    Nov 22, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
    Getting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


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    Nov 22, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.
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    Nov 22, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.


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    Nov 22, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidOr like Cojo the fashion critic or Ms. J. Alexander on America's Top Model ... I don't think they are representative of the gay community, but the media makes them representative of a stereo typical gay community.



    Speaking of Cojo, is it just me or is he almost always dressed like a walking fashion disaster? He has a lot of gall telling anyone how to dress.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    If you want heterosexual people to tolerate you, then dress and act like them.

    Acceptance is a far harder thing to get. ALL gay people should be accepted and to get there we should not have to make straight people comfortable in how we act and dress.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.

    Yeah some people forget the real reason people hate gays, is they hate the idea of two people of the same sex loving each other in a romantic and sexual way....which means they hate masculine gay men just as much.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    AMoonHawk saidOr like Cojo the fashion critic or Ms. J. Alexander on America's Top Model ... I don't think they are representative of the gay community, but the media makes them representative of a stereo typical gay community.



    Speaking of Cojo, is it just me or is he almost always dressed like a walking fashion disaster? He has a lot of gall telling anyone how to dress.



    Kind of like the self-crowned fashion icons we have here on RJ dispensing fashion advice in threads. In fact, one I am thinking of kind of reminds me of RJ's version of Cujo.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    Stan904 said
    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.

    Yeah some people forget the real reason people hate gays, is they hate the idea of two people of the same sex loving each other in a romantic and sexual way....which means they hate masculine gay men just as much.


    I think its telling how many of the gay characters in mainstream media ARE flamboyant. Straight culture is more comfortable with the flamboyant gay, because then we all know who is gay and who isn't.

    When you have guys who buck the trend, that's when the herd starts to get nervious. Notice that Will and Grace and Modern Family are successful, but Normal, Ohio (starring John Goodman as the gay protagonist) was not. I'm not saying that's the ONLY reason, but how many masculine or even non-stereotypical gay men are hits on TV?
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    I think gays who judge other gays for being themselves is bad for gays. How can we expect others to accept us for who we are if gays are going to judge gays for being who they are?

    I don't care if a guy acts like a woman or a man. As long as he is being himself and is happy is all I care about. We are all different and we should embrace it, not judge it.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    Eh, I think the guys on the "A-List" shows give us a worse rap. Carson is one type of gay and is not a Bitch. The guys on those does are multi-typed but ALL obnoxious.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    I don't actually know who the people referenced are; I'm a pretty ignorant of pop culture. Regardless, I have no problem with people being whoever they are. If you act like an idiot; however, you're an idiot regardless of your sexual orientation. Being gay doesn't give you a pass to act like a jackass.
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
    As long as they set the stereotype so that I can walk around unnoticed, I win.

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    Nov 22, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.
    I suspect it is part of his marketing identity. I've met women who are convinced there is no such thing as a straight interior decorator or similarly a wedding/fashion consultant.

    All together now:
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    I like his new lips

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    Nov 22, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.




    Yeah right. GAY people don't even like fems, so why on Earth would you think straight people would accept them?
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:55 PM GMT
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    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.




    Yeah right. GAY people don't even like fems, so why on Earth would you think straight people would accept them?


    icon_rolleyes.gif He was saying that's not the reason people are homophobic. Not that straight people accept fems. Homophobes hate masculine gays just as much......if all gays were masculine they would still hate us.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:07 PM GMT
    I once went a party co-hosted by a straight friend and her gay housemate. Half the guests were straight and the other half gays. I expected the gays to be flamboyant (and they were, to the extreme) but what I didn't expect was for them to act over the top and be downright rude to the straights. I was stunned because it was clear that all of the straights were couples who were trying to be open-minded. The next day both hosts apologized to the straights; apparently the gays were really uncomfortable being around "breeders" and so "acted up". That was the first time it occurred to me that gays had their own culture within a culture (kind of like deaf culture I suppose). I was really disappointed that their take on stereotypic gay behaviour was directed at the straights in a such a mean and negative way. If they were trying to reinforce negative stereotypes with straights they certainly gave it good try.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    I don't think the Queer Eye guy's give gay guys a bad name but It's a really interesting question that this poses.

    Why do gay men act fem in the first place ? Is it playing to stereotypes ? A product of worshipping female popstars ? Being heavily into fashion and treating Vogue like the bible ? etc

    Like I often get labelled as fem but in reality I have a deepish voice and do not mince very much at all. I've seen some 'lumberjacks' on here act more camp than I do.

    I'm guessing that Carson's role model growing up wasn't exactly some sports personality/lumberjack icon_smile.gif

    I googled this Cujo person, yikes ! Talk about bad plastic surgery/ an over abundance of filler ! Bloated doesn't cover it !
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    Stan904 said
    Scruffypup said
    JonPk said
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.


    . Feminine men aren't the reason why people hate gays.




    Yeah right. GAY people don't even like fems, so why on Earth would you think straight people would accept them?


    icon_rolleyes.gif He was saying that's not the reason people are homophobic. Not that straight people accept fems. Homophobes hate masculine gays just as much......if all gays were masculine they would still hate us.



    I understand what he was saying, but that has not been my experience.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    If i were straight and eating like a pig, not showering ever, smelling like shit, overweight and without a job, Im pretty sure other straight people wouldnt be concern about me misrepresenting them.

    If this guy were a woman you would probably think she is just annoying.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    I've often had issue with these flamboyant types being out there and representing us when the majority of gay men are not like them. The heterosexual community gets the impression we are all these big nelly queens and it's no wonder they call us freaks, but is that personality type that will generate ratings from the housewives and they are there because they are loud and annoying. A personality type that is very difficult to ignore.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
    BeAmazing saidI think gays who judge other gays for being themselves is bad for gays. How can we expect others to accept us for who we are if gays are going to judge gays for being who they are?

    I don't care if a guy acts like a woman or a man. As long as he is being himself and is happy is all I care about. We are all different and we should embrace it, not judge it.


    Geez, you're being awfully judgmental about people who are being judgmental!icon_wink.gif

    My point was specifically about this one character who, to me, does NOT come across like he is being himself. He comes across as a man acting like a stereotypical flamboyant gay guy to get the laughs and attention.

    Personally, I think we as gay people should be the most tolerant and accepting people of anyone on the planet. In reality I've found we're just a smaller sampling of the greater population.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    Squarepeg saidGetting ready for work in the morning and the BF has on Good Morning America with a spot featuring Carson Kressley.

    Now, I suppose everyone is entitled to make a living however they see fit. But I can't feel that he's OVER-playing into the stereotype of the limp-wristed fag so that everyone can "laugh at the gay."

    Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about this, and I suspect there have been plenty of heated discussions in our community about the whole "looking bad to the straights" issue.

    But to me this guy really comes across as the dancing monkey, hamming up the gay aspect, as if he wouldn't be noteworthy for his talents or skills otherwise.

    Not a fan.




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    Nov 22, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    I love Carson. No he does not make gay men look bad. Homophobia makes gay men look bad.
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    As I posted previously to those who think the outrageous fem gays are "overrepresented" in pop culture, I do not believe for a minute that it's an accident.

    Admittedly I don't watch a lot of TV, but is there any mass-market sitcom or even reality show out there who has a character who is gay but otherwise just one of the characters without acting outrageous? The last one I can think of was Martin Mull on Roseanne and there have been a few on Real World that qualify, but in general they're rare. Even though Cameron on Modern Family mixes it up a bit because he is physically strong and somewhat handy, but still queens out for a laugh.