33 Minutes That Could Rock Your World

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    Nov 25, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
    I watched the entire movie and it is powerful. At least there are some people interviewed that have a conscience. Thanks for posting Jock! The arrogance of the punker at the beginning was appalling, but he did seem a little more humble at the end. I wonder what kind of personal life this guy leads??
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    Nov 25, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    For the first 13 minutes, I actually thought you had posted something that didn't have an ulterior motive. But I was even okay with that until minute 16, which is when it became apparent this is just one more feeble attempt at trying to make everyone think like you do. This would have been so much more powerful had they left out religion. And if abortion really is murder, what kind of sick God do you worship who would allow such a thing to happen? Oh wait, I know.....God works in mysterious ways right?
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    Nov 25, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    You're about to be told it's satan's doing, Scruffypup. Some christians apparently believe Mr scratch to be much more powerful than god.

    (this usually interests me because why would god even permit a satan to exist and torment those god loves so much?)

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    ...and of course it's jockfever, Mr birth certificate. (I'm still wondering how he can believe in christ having never seen His birth certificate)

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    Nov 25, 2011 5:08 PM GMT
    you have to be pretty stupid for this video to actually sway your opinion on abortion.
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    Nov 25, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidyou have to be pretty stupid for this video to actually sway your opinion on abortion.


    yeah this pretty much
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    Nov 25, 2011 6:02 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidyou have to be pretty stupid for this video to actually sway your opinion on abortion.




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    Nov 25, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    I really hate this video. This guy is being irresponsible; he completely did not address the likely cause of abortion being certainty of a ruined future for the child. I am not pro-life and neither am I fully pro-abortion. It is not right to make such sweeping claims that abortion is always immoral or always acceptable, and I'm shocked that so many people feel the need to take either extreme side! I could go into this for ages, but would rather not get started. And relying on religion is not the right way to convince either. Plus the Jew analogy had a severe logical flaw that no one seemed to realise.
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    Nov 25, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    abortion = Holocaust? seriously, fuck everything about this.
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    Nov 25, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    The whole tie in to abortion just lost me...

    It's like that movie with Bill Maher, Religulous.

    It's so odd and backwards. Not very credible at all.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
    Total non-sequitur conflatation of the Shoah w/ a woman's right to choose. No wonder the ppl were confused, they didn't recognize the it as the apples and oranges trick.

    I agree w/ the interviewer on one pt: ppl are pretty foolish if they forget history, or don't recognize unfounded conclusions.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    That was 66 minutes longer than is necessary.

    Also, naked men would help.

    I will be sending you a bill for my lost time.
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    Dec 25, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
    Scruffypup:For the first 13 minutes, I actually thought you had posted something that didn't have an ulterior motive. But I was even okay with that until minute 16, which is when it became apparent this is just one more feeble attempt at trying to make everyone think like you do. This would have been so much more powerful had they left out religion. And if abortion really is murder, what kind of sick God do you worship who would allow such a thing to happen? Oh wait, I know.....God works in mysterious ways right?

    jockfever: It's "mysterious" only to those who keep asking a question which was answered thousands of years ago. Men do evil because they are not robots. Man has the ability to choose evil over good. If God made men as robots, you wouldn't be able to blaspheme Him, which would be a plus.

    The movie tries to make people aware of what happens when one group of people declares that another group of people is not human, then uses that as an excuse for mass murder.

    How about the "ulterior motives" of the pagan Left: Like wanting to play god, deciding who lives and dies. Like that $765 payment for dismembering an unborn baby, with a bonus if the baby is over 19 weeks -- raising the payment to perhaps $2,165 (see http://www.fpamg.net/fees for current prices).

    That’s pretty good income for a few minutes of ripping off the arms, the legs, and head of a baby onto a table; checking the body parts to make sure they’re all out, and then putting them in the trash. It’s just 15 to 20 minutes work for a skilled physician, who can kill 10 or 15 babies a day. And it’s all legal, very efficient, and is done behind closed doors, just like the Holocaust.
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    Dec 25, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    meninlove:You're about to be told it's satan's doing, Scruffypup. Some Christians apparently believe Mr scratch to be much more powerful than god.
    (this usually interests me because why would god even permit a satan to exist and torment those god loves so much?)...and of course it's jockfever, Mr birth certificate. (I'm still wondering how he can believe in Christ having never seen His birth certificate)


    jockfever: Did I mention Satan? No, but some intellectualoids will deny that Satan exists right up until the day when the antichrist takes over the world.

    Since you mentioned him, yes, Satan exists and spreads evil, especially the kind of evil that works to take away the humanity of human beings.

    No Christian that I know of claims that Satan is more powerful than God.

    God created beings with free will, including Satan, who rebels against God (remind you of anyone?)

    Christ did more in the twinkling of an eye to prove that He is the Son of God than the abortion-loving buffoon in the White House has done in years to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be president. Even the phony birth certificate shows that he is not a natural-born citizen because his alleged father was not a US citizen.




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    Dec 25, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
    TheChrisGuy: I really hate this video. This guy is being irresponsible; he completely did not address the likely cause of abortion being certainty of a ruined future for the child. I am not pro-life and neither am I fully pro-abortion. It is not right to make such sweeping claims that abortion is always immoral or always acceptable, and I'm shocked that so many people feel the need to take either extreme side! I could go into this for ages, but would rather not get started. And relying on religion is not the right way to convince either. Plus the Jew analogy had a severe logical flaw that no one seemed to realise.

    jockfever: Hate and anger from the pro-abort Left? Newsflash. Any chance that you also hate the Cross? How about letting the baby decide if it would prefer to die rather than face a "ruined future"? Ever think that being dismembered in the womb might be a "ruined future"? Who makes you or the irresponsible mother like a god, deciding who lives and who dies based on dubious speculation about the future? Plenty of couples want to adopt a baby and give him/her a very bright, loving future. Would you be pro-life in the womb as your mother ponders having you dismembered? Seems like most pro-aborts think they deserved immunity from what they recommend for others. Logical flaw? Easy to assert. Care to demonstrate?
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    Dec 25, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    MicroBert: abortion = Holocaust? seriously, f*** everything about this.

    jockfever: Nothing like the f-bomb to add substance to a discussion.

    For pro-aborts who are so certain that there can't be any similarities between the Holocaust and abortion, here are three:

    1) Mass murder. 12 million corpses due to the Holocaust. As many as 50 million corpses due to abortion in the U.S.

    2) One Group plays god by declaring another Group sub-human, which gives becomes a "right" to commit mass murder.

    3) Otherwise moral people go about their business as usual because the mass murder is hidden. How many times have you seen an abortion video or pictures in the mainstream media? If it's just tissue, and just a "choice", why all the censorship?


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    Dec 25, 2011 1:42 AM GMT
    cthulu: That was 66 minutes longer than is necessary. Also, naked men would help. I will be sending you a bill for my lost time.

    jockfever: Naked men help?

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    Dec 25, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    You are an anti-Semite.

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    Dec 25, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    Interviewer: Have you ever looked a guy with lust?

    Cute lil lesbian: Naw I'm gay.


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    Dec 25, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
    AvadaKedavra: you have to be pretty stupid for this video to actually sway your opinion on abortion.

    jockfever: It's not surprising that the Left would slander having a conscience, being pro-life, and opposing mass murder as "stupid."

    The Left routinely dehumanizes its opponents by calling them "stupid." The best president of modern times, Ronald Reagan, elected twice by landslides, is still called "stupid" by the Left, including some on RJ. The abortion-loving failure currently in the White House, one of the worst presidents ever, is held out as remarkably bright by the Left.

    The Left dismisses everyone who disagrees with its miserable failed policies as "stupid." It then subjects them to mass murder (in commie paradises like Russia, China, Cambodia, etc.)

    The results of the failed policies of the Left are on display for everyone to see in places like North Korea, Cuba, and Zimbabwe. The results of the Left's failed policies are on display in America: high unemployment, record deficits, unsustainable debt, lowered credit ratings, insane spending, an anemic housing market, a declining standard of living, little or no economic growth, and metastasizing government. Yet the Left slanders as "stupid" anyone who supports individual freedom, limited Constitutional government, capitalism, and Judeo-Christian values, including the right of humans not to be unjustly killed.

    It's no wonder that anyone who opposes the mass murder of abortion is called "stupid" by Left, which believes in mass murder as a tool to achieve its phony pagan utopia.


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    Dec 25, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    I think this video gives you a lot to think about. I certainly haven't been thinking about abortion a lot in the past because I know that it's not going to be an issue in my future, but it's amazing to see how some of the guys that have replied already can totally disregard this issue and pass up discussion because of their preconceived notions of the subject.

    You're in idiot if you don't keep an open mind, not to mention that I don't think you have the right to be able to think at all if you can't think openly... so your opinions are null. And it's quite hypocritical for the people who have replied that this is stupid when a lot of those same people who think this way try to convince the anti-gay movement that gay people have the same rights as straight people. You're trying to convince a group of people who think a certain way to change their minds.And if you don't see how that corresponds to my point, then you probably should have been aborted yourself...

    This video was an eye opener on a subject I haven't paid much attention to seeing as I have instinctively picked a certain side in the past based on little facts and my parent's oversight. The perspective the interviewer took is a highly controversial one, but I can see some parallels between the two subjects.

    I wasn't swayed on my stance, which is pro-choice, but it definitely gave me a wake up call to fully research a position of an argument before I make up my mind.
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    Dec 25, 2011 7:45 AM GMT
    pro-abortion is called "pro-choice" for a reason.

    If the mother would die during the pregnancy or the birth, is it worth her life?

    If the mother was drugged, Raped, and impregnated, would you tell her "no she must raise this child"? Wouldn't this just make it more likely for children to be abandoned and neglected?

    would you tell your 14~17 year old daughter who is in high school that she has to endue pregnancy because of a boyfriend who was only with her for sex?

    these things are all situational.

    FYI: while all the things Hitler did are morally wrong, I wouldn't kill him, or his mother when she was pregnant with him. Some of these things are important lessons, and we can't just "re-write time".

    What would be important is telling the mother that she should raise him to be kind, and leave him with proper care. Oh and art school... just let him in. If you're going to change the flow of time, just let him into art school.

    edit: would you punish a woman who has a miscarriage but also didn't want the child in the first place?
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    Dec 25, 2011 7:49 AM GMT
    "Pro-life" people rarely care about the quality of life of the child/person. Once that child is born, they could care less about him/her. I think it more apt to refer to them as "pro-birth." Just my opinion.
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    Dec 26, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    cthulu: You are an anti-Semite.

    jockfever: This belongs in a contest for the most baseless smear on RJ.

    I've repeatedly affirmed that the Jews are God's Chosen People. I support the State of Israel, defending itself against those who would destroy it, 100%.

    The Jews bless people wherever they go. Without the Jews we would not have developed the atomic bomb, ending World War II. Israel's per capita investment in innovation is second to none.

    I've repeatedly affirmed that those who bless Israel will be blessed, while those who curse Israel will be cursed. The ties between the US and Israel were strong under Ronald Reagan. The US prospered. The ties between the US and Israel have been damaged (like many other things) by the buffoon in the White House. The US faces ongoing economic and other misery.

    The Middle East is on the verge of war, even more so than when the last big Lib, BJ Clinton, left the White House. The whole world may attack Israel, but Israel's enemies will be defeated. Keep an eye on Damascus, one of earth's oldest continuously inhabited cities. The Bible predicts that it will be reduced to rubble. The blame will belong to the real anti-Semites, led by the Hitler of the Middle East, Ahmadinejad.



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    Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    stratavos: pro-abortion is called "pro-choice" for a reason.

    jockfever: People prefer euphemisms. Genocide is called "ethnic cleansing" and "final solution" for a reason.

    The innocent baby has no choice. Pro-abort people object to pregnant women being informed about the "choice." They object to women, especially young girls, being informed that the “tissue” being removed in the abortion has a heartbeat. They object to advising women that there are risks, like severe depression, even suicide, associated with having an abortion.


    stratavos: If the mother would die during the pregnancy or the birth, is it worth her life? If the mother was drugged, Raped, and impregnated, would you tell her "no she must raise this child"? Wouldn't this just make it more likely for children to be abandoned and neglected?

    jockfever: Abortion to save the life of the mother has always been legal. Pregnancy which threatens the life of the mother, and pregnancy due to rape, are extremely rare. They are used as a smokescreen to justify millions of abortions for convenience.

    Think abortion in the case of rape is a no-brainer? Try telling Rebecca Kiessling, conceived when her mother was brutally raped at knife point by a serial rapist. She's an attorney, speaker, and author who represents rape victims. Ask her (and her mother) about her "ruined future."

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    stratavos: would you tell your 14~17 year old daughter who is in high school that she has to endue pregnancy because of a boyfriend who was only with her for sex? these things are all situational.

    jockfever: Everything reasonable should be done to prevent babies from being brought into the world as the result of irresponsible sex. If it happens, however, everything reasonable should be done to prevent unjustly killing the unborn baby.

    stratavos: FYI: while all the things Hitler did are morally wrong, I wouldn't kill him, or his mother when she was pregnant with him. Some of these things are important lessons, and we can't just "re-write time"...

    jockfever: Admittedly, the question is theoretical. At least 48 million people, mostly civilians, were killed in WW II. You wouldn't kill one evil person to prevent the deaths of 48 million people? Yet you're fine with killing one innocent life in the name of convenience? What kind of moral system is that? The fake morality of the Left?

    stratavos: would you punish a woman who has a miscarriage but also didn't want the child in the first place?

    jockfever: Spontaneous miscarriage has nothing, legally or morally, to do with intenionally killing an unborn child for convenience.