ACORN founder and SEIU Organizer: Tea partiers out-organized Occupy Wall Street

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    Nov 25, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    Rightly or wrongly I think that the tea party movement has ensured that it will at least have a few cycles of influence in US... occupy... I doubt will have any impact despite the media push behind it and its anathema towards the tea party movement

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/24/left-wing-organizing-kingpin-tea-partiers-out-organized-occupy-wall-street/

    In an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) founder and Service Employees International Union organizer Wade Rathke acknowledged that the tea party movement has been more effective than Occupy Wall Street in influencing American politics.

    Rathke was unequivocal about the Occupy movement, telling TheDC that “in no way has it had the political impact that the tea party movement has.” Yet because Occupy organizing is “still in its embryonic stages” while tea partiers have been organizing for more than two years, he cautions that “comparing the tea party movement to OWS is apples and oranges.”

    While watching ACORN implode in the United States, Rathke has thrived in his new role as community organizer to the world by remaking ACORN International, known as Community Organization International in the U.S., into a worldwide community organization with near-global reach and power. And former ACORN board members say Rathke’s remarkable global turnaround is proof that most observers completely missed ACORN’s bigger picture and its broader goals.

    Rathke generally had positive things to say about both the tea party and Occupy movements. “They are substantially mobilizing individuals around a set of principles,” he added. “It’s fascinating that they’re both appealing to many of the same people.”

    That’s a point on which Matthew Vadum, a conservative investigative reporter whose book-length deconstruction of ACORN hit stores in May, disagrees. His book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama’s ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers, opens with the provocative question, “How many dead Republicans does it take to satisfy the bloodlust of ACORN founder Wade Rathke?” referring to his contention that Rathke’s “progressive comrades-in arms” planned “to kill delegates and police” at the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minnesota, before a turncoat helped law-enforcement dismantle the plot.*

    Vadum sees a world of difference between right-wing tea partiers and left-wing occupiers. “The only point upon which both agree is their hate of bailouts,” he told TheDC. “But that’s it. Zuccotti Park is a small park … The tea party attracted thousands and tens of thousands to their rallies; OWS attracts tens and maybe hundreds. When the tea party rally was over, the tea party left. OWS refuses to leave.”

    Rathke said scenes of tea party activists shouting down politicians at town hall events reflected poorly on their movement. But he also acknowledged that scenes of public defecation, drug use, fighting and other violence also left an indelible impression.
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
    9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:50 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Sadly they have everything to do with socialism. It always started with good intentions.
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Sadly they have everything to do with socialism. It always started with good intentions.


    Incorrect. For a self-described economics guru, you seem constitutionally incapable of understanding the difference between an economic model and a political one. Sigh..
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    Nov 25, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Sadly they have everything to do with socialism. It always started with good intentions.


    Incorrect. For a self-described economics guru, you seem constitutionally incapable of understanding the difference between an economic model and a political one. Sigh..


    Yes - it must be me when everyone else labelled these countries as socialist.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Sadly they have everything to do with socialism. It always started with good intentions.


    Incorrect. For a self-described economics guru, you seem constitutionally incapable of understanding the difference between an economic model and a political one. Sigh..


    Yes - it must be me when everyone else labelled these countries as socialist.


    You're conflating democratic socialism (political model/economic model) with totalitarian socialism (political model/economic model).

    There are plenty of examples of totalitarian capitalist regimes throughout the world and history. In fact, the US is teetering toward being the next one.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said9 Americans have been killed by right-wing extremists since Obama's election.


    And well over a hundred million have been killed by various forms of socialism while capitalism has saved lives by facilitating the speed of development of technologies and providing incentives for trade not war.


    Right... I'd love to have a view into the fantasy world you live in.

    Now, how were the hundred million killed by socialism? And don't bother trying to equate socialism with totalitarian regimes in the Soviet block. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Sadly they have everything to do with socialism. It always started with good intentions.


    Incorrect. For a self-described economics guru, you seem constitutionally incapable of understanding the difference between an economic model and a political one. Sigh..


    Yes - it must be me when everyone else labelled these countries as socialist.


    You're conflating democratic socialism (political model/economic model) with totalitarian socialism (political model/economic model).

    There are plenty of examples of totalitarian capitalist regimes throughout the world and history. In fact, the US is teetering toward being the next one.


    Sure it is Christian. That tinfoil hat appears to be blocking your view...