The Avowed Fascists Behind Greece's Austerity Program

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    Nov 25, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    This is both horrifying and very telling of the intellectual basis for the "austerity" push occurring in Europe and the US.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREWith all the propaganda we’ve been fed about Greece’s new “austerity” government being staffed by non-ideological “technocrats,” it may come as a surprise that fascists are now considered “technocrats” to the mainstream media and Western banking interests. Then again, history shows that fascists have always been favored by the 1-percenters to deliver the austerity medicine.

    This rather disturbing definition of what counts as “non-ideological” or “technocratic” in 2011 is something most folks are trying hard to ignore, which might explain why there’s been almost nothing about how Greece’s new EU-imposed austerity government includes neo-Nazis from the LAOS Party (LAOS is the acronym for Greece’s fascist political party, not the Southeast Asian paradise).

    Which brings me back to the new Minister of Infrastructure, Makis Voridis.Before he was an ax-wielding law student, Voridis led another fascist youth group that supported the jailed leader of Greece’s 1967 military coup . Greece has been down this fascism route before, all under the guise of saving the nation and complaints about alleged parliamentary weakness. In 1967, the military overthrew democracy, imposed a fascist junta, jailed and tortured suspected leftist dissidents, and ran the country into the ground until the junta was overthrown by popular protest in 1974.

    That military junta—and the United States support for it (for which Clinton apologized in 1999)—is a raw and painful memory for Greeks. Most Greeks, anyway. As far as today’s Infrastructure Minister, Makis Voridis, was concerned, the only bad thing about the junta was that it was overthrown by democracy demonstrators. A fascist party was set up in the early 1980s in support of the jailed coup leader, and Voridis headed up that party’s youth wing. That’s when he earned the nickname “Hammer.” You can probably guess by now why Greece’s Infrastructure Minister was given the nickname “Hammer”: Voridis’s favorite sport was hunting down leftist youths and beating them with, yes, a hammer...

    This is how bankers deal with banana republics; it’s how they ran their colonies. Take care of the military, give them gifts and get them in your pocket. The people only exist to be extracted. And when they squeal, characterize them the way the Brits characterized the Irish during the Great Famine: lazy, profligate, it’s all their own fault, what they need is more painful medicine and a swift kick in the ass…for their own good, of course.

    And just in case it wasn’t clear to everyone, Forbes magazine came out in favor of a coup. Here is how one Greek columnist reported it:

    “Instead of pouring euros down the drain, it would be much wiser for Germany to sponsor a military coup and solve the problem that way.” No, this extract is not from a fascist blog. It is from Forbes magazine and it’s just another one of the provocative articles that follow this insane ongoing anti-Greece campaign of international media.

    In the end, the bankers and the West got their coup. And they didn’t need an ugly military spectacle to make it happen. Papandreou was overthrown, the referendum was withdrawn, an austerity regime put in place to carry out the bankers’ demands, without democracy getting in the way. Nice ‘n’ clean.

    Not only did the West get its coup, but fascists like Makis “Hammer” Voridis got what they’ve been struggling for all their lives: Power, and vindication for far-right nationalism over democracy.

    That’s where we are today. Greece drowning in debt, its democracy broken, and despite fighting the Nazis in World War Two, and taking back democracy from a fascist junta in 1974–in the end, it was the EU and the Western banks that put a guy like Makis “Hammer” Voridis, the guy who patrolled his law school with a makeshift ax, in power, administering banker-pain.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    The point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.


    These are crises created by the very bankers who are now putting avowed fascists in charge of the clean up. It's horrifying.
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    Nov 25, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidThe point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.


    These are crises created by the very bankers who are now putting avowed fascists in charge of the clean up. It's horrifying.

    The crisis was fundamentally created by years of spending beyond their means: big govt, union influence, lavish entitlements, anti-business. Can't justify everything bankers did, but they basically implemented govt programs. You guys are in serious denial - always looking for scapegoats to justify your failed policies, and hoping you can get those not on the far left to buy into it.
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    Nov 26, 2011 1:23 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidThe point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.


    These are crises created by the very bankers who are now putting avowed fascists in charge of the clean up. It's horrifying.


    Christian I think many would superimpose the United States situation and try to explain Greece.

    I am ethnically Greek. Unfortunately what you have left in Greece is a country for the most part that has no real industry left.

    Whether its ultra left or ultra right politics. Its not going to make ANY difference. Simply there are two many people not working, and NO MONEY.


    For many years the United States paid Greece through NATO to not go the way of Communism via aide dollars. Since that money is gone, Greece is having to come to grips with the real life reality in that you have to work for a living.

    Many or MOST of the Greeks that have the internal drive to not accept a government pension at 50, and make something of themselves, have long left Greece to emigrate to the US, Australia, England .

    The austerity is a necessary thing, unless you are for Greece to be a parasite on the rest of the EU or the world.
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    Nov 26, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidThe point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.


    These are crises created by the very bankers who are now putting avowed fascists in charge of the clean up. It's horrifying.


    Christian I think many would superimpose the United States situation and try to explain Greece.

    I am ethnically Greek. Unfortunately what you have left in Greece is a country for the most part that has no real industry left.

    Whether its ultra left or ultra right politics. Its not going to make ANY difference. Simply there are two many people not working, and NO MONEY.


    For many years the United States paid Greece through NATO to not go the way of Communism via aide dollars. Since that money is gone, Greece is having to come to grips with the real life reality in that you have to work for a living.

    Many or MOST of the Greeks that have the internal drive to not accept a government pension at 50, and make something of themselves, have long left Greece to emigrate to the US, Australia, England .

    The austerity is a necessary thing, unless you are for Greece to be a parasite on the rest of the EU or the world.


    "Austerity" has never worked once in the history of Western civilization. Austerity by a bunch jackbooted thugs even less so.

    What amazes me about people like you is that you don't think through the necessarily results of allowing an economy to be extracted as is happening to Greece right now and has been happening at a slower pace in the US over the past three decades.

    Right now, one fifth of the population does not have the means to pay for healthcare, except - in some cases - via the government. Eventually, if extractive policies win the day, the number will climb and there will be a smaller and smaller group of people able to afford treatment by a doctor such as yourself. What happens to your profession then?
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    Nov 26, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidThe point most of us have raised regarding Greece and Europe is not what measures and what type of government is planned to recover from the crisis, but how they got into the crisis in the first place. That is the very inconvenient truth to the far-left in the US. Once crises erupt, with the resulting instabilities, the results may be far from appealing.


    These are crises created by the very bankers who are now putting avowed fascists in charge of the clean up. It's horrifying.


    Christian I think many would superimpose the United States situation and try to explain Greece.

    I am ethnically Greek. Unfortunately what you have left in Greece is a country for the most part that has no real industry left.

    Whether its ultra left or ultra right politics. Its not going to make ANY difference. Simply there are two many people not working, and NO MONEY.


    For many years the United States paid Greece through NATO to not go the way of Communism via aide dollars. Since that money is gone, Greece is having to come to grips with the real life reality in that you have to work for a living.

    Many or MOST of the Greeks that have the internal drive to not accept a government pension at 50, and make something of themselves, have long left Greece to emigrate to the US, Australia, England .

    The austerity is a necessary thing, unless you are for Greece to be a parasite on the rest of the EU or the world.


    "Austerity" has never worked once in the history of Western civilization. Austerity by a bunch jackbooted thugs even less so.

    What amazes me about people like you is that you don't think through the necessarily results of allowing an economy to be extracted as is happening to Greece right now and has been happening at a slower pace in the US over the past three decades.

    Right now, one fifth of the population does not have the means to pay for healthcare, except - in some cases - via the government. Eventually, if extractive policies win the day, the number will climb and there will be a smaller and smaller group of people able to afford treatment by a doctor such as yourself. What happens to your profession then?



    Medicine did very well before "insurance" which in my opinion has be bastardized.
    It would be incorrect to assume that medicine would ever disappear.

    And many or most practice medicine for the "calling" not for the cash.

    And you know if it was JUST about taking care of patients as it was 50 years ago. I could double the people in a day.

    Today medicine is plagued by so many non medical distractions, designed by insurance companies to deny care.


    A bit off topic from the above icon_wink.gif