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    Jul 20, 2007 1:45 PM GMT
    Whats the deal with celebrities?
    Why are so many people into what they do or where they pee?
    In some ways I think those reality shows where they have a bunch of celebrities living together is a perfect place for them - at the least for the ones who are really into it.
    Just put them in a sort of zoo or goldfish bowl where everybody can just watch - I think a good word would be “Celebritarium”, - a celebrity sea world where everyone can stare at them as they walk, talk, be without clothes, and whatever - it’s a form of worship and probably a psychiatric heyday.
    Almost everything said in People magazines are lies and whitewash.
    On the other hand celebrities who are not into the glorification and glamour suffer the incredible mental torture of always being “watched.”
    Why do humans need VIPs and celebrities?
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    Jul 20, 2007 2:55 PM GMT
    Vicarious thrills, that's all, not a big deal.
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    Jul 20, 2007 3:12 PM GMT
  • Laurence

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    Jul 20, 2007 3:59 PM GMT
    I blame the media.

    Theres a lot of media, and what with 24 hour news streaming and countless magazines and websites, they need something to fill it. Thus we have endless stories about Paris Hilton and Britney Spears.

    If people stopped buying the gossip mags and going on the websites, then they'd go bust and these z-list celebrities would disappear.

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    Jul 20, 2007 4:38 PM GMT
    Can we really blame the media? As far as I know the only reason these celebrity programs are on the air is because people love to watch them. They say the media gives us what we want, and on some level we must really really want all this crap.
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    Jul 20, 2007 4:47 PM GMT
    IMHO, it's because too many people are in spectator mode and assuming that someone else is going to entertain them. Many people have lost the ability to generate a good time for themselves, and want others to do it for them. That's one reason that we have so many people who only watch TV. Before that became ubiquitous, people played games, sang, danced, etc. and did things that generated enjoyment.

    Chalk another one up for our consumer culture.
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    Jul 20, 2007 4:55 PM GMT
    It's a projection of what those in the public who adore them wish they could be, want what they have, look like they do.

    Those people who idolize sports stars, or who live and die by the fate of their professional sports team, are really doing the same thing.

    In gay life, I've seen the same thing with adulation of porn actors...

    Frankly, I do have idols...but they are people in my personal life, who embody what I'd like to be...physically, emotionally, spiritually. I tend to fall in love with those... :-)
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    Jul 20, 2007 5:08 PM GMT
    At the risk of sounding idolatrous - I LOVE Dolly Parton. :) No, I don't want to be her, nor do I live vicariously through her. Just love love her.
  • trebor965

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    Jul 20, 2007 5:44 PM GMT
    listen someone has to burn at the stake, would you want it to be you? i think celebs are great candidates for ridicule, and mass viewing, they ate away their emotions through pills and eating disorders, their tolerence to feeling empathy has been disolved by always being in character. by traveling the world to film they somehow picked up a humantarian degree, and liberty to speak about everything. go ahead and throw rocks they dont feel shit because the exterior is 75% synthetic. after awhile they either become saints on missions of mercy, walking talking real live artist, or mockeries of what they actually wanted to become. so if you find a celeb in your daily walk through life, they may be in a private jet, dead on a hotel room floor, or out cold on a toilet, stripping for the papparazzi, or hand feeding the starving children in darfur, just remember that we the average joe, and josephine are capable of equal consequence, and glory in our daily life. be inspired by those who are unconditionally loving and brave, and those who seem to have it all, but cant get it together let them fall to the way side, and die a silent death with a mouth full of uppers, a shitty hair weave, and adorned belly jewelry. lets just hope that there spawn finds an adequate place to thrive. and hope that their death photos are gruesome enough that access hollywood can talk about it for a month.

  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jul 20, 2007 5:46 PM GMT
    I don't think it's fair to simply blame the media--after all, the media cares primarily about what will make them profit, and the truth is that enough people will pay attention to the celebrities that the ad revenue can be expected to outweigh the costs involved.

    The standard evolutionary psychology explanation for celebrities - not that I necessarily endorse this view - is that it's a holdover from our days in small tribal groups. In a small social group, it makes a great deal of sense to pay a lot of attention to the wealthiest, most attractive individuals in it, as understanding their dynamics can increase your ability to gain resources/protection/sexual access to and from these individuals. Thus, the evolutionary psychologists argue, we're wired to pay a lot of attention to the minutia of the rich and attractive, but our current technology and lifestyle allows us to pay attention to the wealthy and attractive with whom we will never interact.

    Personally, I think that even if that's the case, there's something more basic going on. Almost everyone would like to be more attractive and wealthier than they currently are. Celebrities are one avenue in which people can engage in fantasies about being that way. Quite a few people will pick a given celebrity to obsess over, and that makes me think that they might just be living vicariously through one individual who is their ideal of what they could be.

    We all engage in fantasies at times. It's why fiction is so popular, why we watch dramas and sitcoms, and it underlies magazines running from many of the exercise magazines ("Wow, I could look like that cover model!") to Better Homes and Gardens ("Imagine having a kitchen like that!"). It also fuels the lottery, as much of what you're paying for isn't really the chance that you could win, but the fun of fantasizing about what you would do if you did win. It's just that some people take it much too far. At least with the celebrity angle, the main repercussion of most people who take it too far is that they become boring, which is a lot less harmful than people who take a lot of other fantsies too far.
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    Jul 20, 2007 5:50 PM GMT
    voyeurism (on the publics part) and exhibitionism (on the celebrities part)

    Two taboos in there most perverted twisted form.

    The want/need to see vs the want/need to be seen, at what ever cost.

    And we as the public created the circus media, so there is noone to blame but ourselves.

    I would expand, but i'm finally getting a life and going out for once:)
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    Jul 20, 2007 6:46 PM GMT
    It's because the gods of Olympus are dead.
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    Jul 20, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
    at least you're still here (OW).
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    Jul 20, 2007 8:43 PM GMT
    Honestly with celebrities I could care less. What always amazes me is how shallow and/or stupid some of them sound once they open their mouths, like you just know they've never been forced to contemplate a deep thought in their lives. People should look to their neighbors, not pretty faces (which, are most of them really that "beautiful"? Hardly...no one will EVER convince me Kirsten Dunst isn't anything but an albino rat) for inspiration. Also, what I find unforgivable about celebs is how, in spite of all that money, all that access, all the adulation, they still manage to be so damned dull!

    "The least you can do, my dear, is make yourself interesting for the party..."

    Marlene Dietrich, Bette Davis: unforgettable.

    Angelina Jolie, Jessica Biel: eh,whatever.
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    Jul 20, 2007 9:29 PM GMT
    I can't imagine why you'd say that, Jackal.

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    Jul 20, 2007 9:31 PM GMT
    "at least you're still here (OW)"

    On your knees.
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    Jul 20, 2007 10:37 PM GMT
    your command is my wish
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 21, 2007 1:38 AM GMT
    The old gods never die..
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    Jul 21, 2007 1:48 AM GMT
    One word : IDOLATRY

    If only everyone could just be their own star this would be a much healthier world to live in. Celebs are made to distract us from ourselves.
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    Jul 21, 2007 1:51 AM GMT
    *But I have to admit, I want ms. Monroe back.
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    Jul 22, 2007 9:05 AM GMT
    Ok. I don't get it.
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    Sep 02, 2007 7:16 AM GMT
    Celeberties exist as the potential of what we want and obesses to be ourselves. Sadly the things we want are all to often shallow existences
    filled with money cars clothes jewlery and and looks. Therefore the people they reward with the most adoration are the people that embody these things.

    Honestly I dont adore many celeberties unless they have humanitarian values or speak of helping people with there wealth. But there are a many who dont. Thats why the business thrives, thats why I feel on the wrong planet. All your Idols will crumble and fall to dust just like you. So I just feel more comfortable placing most of my appriciation in the universe where they came from and are going. While most dont know there place it it or care to look. There universe is in Ok magizine or people. There universe is 30 minute edtion of ET featuring celebertiy babys feuds and the 500 pound man in honduras who cant get out of his bed.

    What a lowly existence. Its all about money making anyway, there could be a country NO world called Utopia where the pay for humanitarin workers teachers and counselors exceeded the pay of entertainers. Or better yet there was no such thing as bloated egos and money, people would just do it because its in there hearts. But thats just a fantasy of mine, until then I put my faith in the universe. Its been here waaaaaay longer than us.

    The Government also uses it as a tactic to keep you guys glued to your sets and out of the advocate rallys. Whos gonna fight for things to inequality to change? For Entertianers to stop being paid uneccessary amounts of money when theres always some mind numbing drama unfolding on tv in newspapers or magazines.

    This country is full on blinded by material wealth. Its like a drug addict that refuses to reconize its dibilitating habit and still appears
    healthy on the outside. (how the rest of the world sees us) but the inside is slowly beginning to show the truth of damaged internal tissues. Just look around you its not hard to see, unless your privledged.

  • MikemikeMike

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    Sep 04, 2007 4:31 AM GMT
    People like to emmulate qualities they see that they may or may not posess. Sometimes it is just a weak sense of self. Also humans in general like to see one person rise only to get enjoyment when they fall. It is sad.
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    Sep 04, 2007 10:32 AM GMT
    A small number of celebrities can be considered 'global', in that their fame has spread across the world, even across linguistic and cultural boundaries. These celebrities are often prominent political figures, actors, globally successful musicians and sports stars.

    The rise of international celebrities in acting and popular music is due in large part to the massive scope and scale of the media industries, enabling celebrities to be viewed more often and in more places.

    Each country has its own independent celebrity system, with a hierarchy of popular film, television, and sports stars. Celebrities who are very popular in one country might be unknown abroad, except with culturally-related groups, such as within a diaspora. In some cases, a country-level celebrity might command some attention outside their native country, but not to the degree that they can be considered a global celebrity. For example, singer Lara Fabian is widely-known in the French-speaking world, but only had a couple of Billboard hits in the U.S., whereas singer Celine Dion is well-known in both communities.

    In Bob Greene’s article “The new stardom that doesn't require paying any dues,” he argues that for “most of man's history...people of talent would work to create something--something written, something painted, something sculpted, something acted out--and it would be passed on to audiences.”

    With the rise of reality TV shows, Greene points out that audiences have been turned into the creators. He argues that the “alleged stars of the reality shows "Survivor" and "Big Brother,"have become famous not for doing, but merely for being.”

    Greene says that “You simply have to be present, in the right place at the right time.” Whereas “...public[ly famous] people were once defined as such based upon the fact that their remarkable skills had brought them to the attention of the public,” Greene states that with reality TV, “one can become a public person just by being a person, in public.”

    for the most part though the fact that culture inbues celebrity status on some is an unsubtle form of escapeism; a drive to find someone who the culture can admire (the Famous) or disparage (the infamous); as a way of distraction from the reality of most peoples everyday lives (which they perceive as uneventful, dull, or without excitement).

    I know several celebrities and public figures -a couple quite well; without exception - although they all crave public recognition and approval of their work - they would all rather skip the 'celebrity' aspects of their status and just do the work that they have a passion for.

    Our society doesn't work like that.