Lesbian kisses at game ignite Seattle debate

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    Jun 05, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    Story Highlights

    Lesbian complains usher asked her to stop kissing date at Mariners game

    Woman "shocked" at request, saying Seattle known to be gay-friendly

    Mariners spokeswoman says club is investigating


    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/05/seattle.kiss.ap/index.html
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    Jun 05, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    I wonder if they were french-kissing or just a nice quick kiss on the lips?

    I must admit I don't appreciate any couples french kissing in public, I don't really want to see someone's tongue going down someone else's throat. But a kiss on the lips or cheek is tasteful and should not be offensive to anyone.

    I must admit I thought an incident like this would more likely come out of Arlington, Texas or Kansas City, Missouri, not Seattle, Washington.
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    Jun 05, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    I say people who live in Seattle should go to the stadium and start kissing (I obviously mean homosexual couples). That will show those homophobic "family guys".
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    Jun 05, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    metropolitan saidI say people who live in Seattle should go to the stadium and start kissing (I obviously mean homosexual couples). That will show those homophobic "family guys".


    Perhaps the gays should go to the stadium in numbers and be on the look out for heterosexual PDAs, then report each of them. I usually find making the shoe pinch on the other foot gets results.
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    Jun 05, 2008 9:45 PM GMT
    I'm originally from California, and this is so funny to me.Only because we have to watch other heterosexuals kiss in couples in public why not gays and lesbians, should have the same free right to show public affection in a public place!? Its backwards hipocracyicon_evil.gif of the straight community to take that away from the gay community as Hitler did in germany back then.icon_biggrin.gif
    Keep that freedom rolling for the Gay community! Gay Nation has rights under freedom as well.....
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    Jun 06, 2008 2:34 AM GMT
    I feel sorry for the poor usher. This whole thing is blown way out of proportion.

    When I was in college I tried to do a video project about just this subject. I was going to get volunteers to walk through the mall, (Sandusky Mall and both Toledo Malls)and video the reactions of people around them holding hands and light carresses and maybe even a little kiss once in awhile. I was going to use a guy and a girl, two girls, and then two guys.

    I couldn't get a single volunteer, not even in the college club for gay, lesbian, straight alliance.



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    Jun 06, 2008 3:10 AM GMT
    If you want to make out, get a hotel room.

    You pay for a ticket to watch a game. If you start smacking lips and upset someone who paid money to watch a game, not chicks smooching, obviously there is a problem.

    Where does this notion come from that gay's rights are somehow more relevant than someone else's? Someone didn't like seeing two women kiss at this pay-to-watch event and complained, so now this crapball because the people who complained are 'wrong' because they were upset; they have no right to their feelings.

    If someone was upset by a hetero couple smooching and they complained, I bet the usher would ask them to tone it down.

    Same shit, different party. QQ moar Sirbrina.
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    Jun 06, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    Buckwheet saidIf you want to make out, get a hotel room.

    You pay for a ticket to watch a game. If you start smacking lips and upset someone who paid money to watch a game, not chicks smooching, obviously there is a problem.

    Where does this notion come from that gay's rights are somehow more relevant than someone else's? Someone didn't like seeing two women kiss at this pay-to-watch event and complained, so now this crapball because the people who complained are 'wrong' because they were upset; they have no right to their feelings.

    If someone was upset by a hetero couple smooching and they complained, I bet the usher would ask them to tone it down.

    Same shit, different party. QQ moar Sirbrina.



    Since when is kissing such an offense?
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    Jun 06, 2008 11:59 AM GMT
    I agree Caslon. Public displays of affection are quite common among straight couples and I don't have a problem with it. I do find it difficult to find a date who will hold my hand in public though, a kiss would be so out of the question.

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    Jun 06, 2008 6:37 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 said
    Since when is kissing such an offense?


    Since someone felt it was, Caslon.
    No one has the right to challenge the validity of someone's feelings, simply because they exist. They cannot be diminished or dismissed, only addressed.
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    Jun 06, 2008 7:20 PM GMT
    Buckwheet said[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[/cite]
    Since when is kissing such an offense?

    Since someone felt it was, Caslon.
    No one has the right to challenge the validity of someone's feelings, simply because they exist. They cannot be diminished or dismissed, only addressed.



    Ok, how about? ....since when is kissing such an actionable offense?

    just cuz somebody else is offended doesnt mean others have to stop what they are doing. Otherwise, the prudes would rule the world.

    But the real basis is that straights kiss without a lot of ruckus...some even see it as young love...how sweet.
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    Jun 06, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    The issue is that there is a double standard. A kiss between a man and a woman? Nothing shocking. A kiss between two women or two men? Think of the children!

    Obviously, there are public displays of affection that are completely inappropriate for anyone. But the fact is that the boundaries of "inappropriate" are different depending on the sex of the people involved.

    Doesn't everyone know this already?
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    Jun 06, 2008 7:53 PM GMT
    Buckwheet said[quote][cite]Caslon4000 said[/cite]
    Since when is kissing such an offense?


    Since someone felt it was, Caslon.
    No one has the right to challenge the validity of someone's feelings, simply because they exist. They cannot be diminished or dismissed, only addressed. [/quote]

    Sorry but have too agree with buckwheet. A kiss on the hand may be, quite continental. But if they where french kissing, and really going at it. Well I don't want to see this either. But a wee peck on the other hand whom cares. Me thinks they where going over the top, and ,there's wee difference, if they be gay, str8 or dyke.

    Seems to me maybe they wanted the attention, and now Thea's complaining about the attension.....
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    Jun 06, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 said

    Ok, how about? ....since when is kissing such an actionable offense?


    Since someone trying to enjoy what they paid for found it offensive. Sports arenas aren't for make out sessions, they are for viewing sporting events.

    Caslon4000 said
    just cuz somebody else is offended doesnt mean others have to stop what they are doing. Otherwise, the prudes would rule the world.


    That is precisely what it means. It's called disorderly conduct, among other things.
    The establishment had an obligation to the customer who paid to view a sporting event, not a make out session. It wasn't a public area, and a restriction of rights apply when you enter private property, just as there is no First amendment rights while a guest at places such as Realjock.
    If you walk onto my property, I can threaten your life in order to displace you. If a Police Officer enters my property, and is not in pursuit of a suspect or investigating a complaint, and I tell him to leave my property and he doesn't, I can have him charged with trespassing.

    Caslon4000 said
    But the real basis is that straights kiss without a lot of ruckus...some even see it as young love...how sweet.


    If I go to a movie and a gay couple is making face sucking sounds, damn right it better be dealt with!
    I owe no allegiance and won't suffer anyone.


    SockMonkey saidThe issue is that there is a double standard. A kiss between a man and a woman? Nothing shocking. A kiss between two women or two men? Think of the children!


    A double standard only exists if the usher would not have approached a hetero couple, since the offended party's feeling aren't relevant in regards to action taken by the establishment.
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    Jun 06, 2008 10:12 PM GMT
    Buckwheet said No one has the right to challenge the validity of someone's feelings, simply because they exist.


    Wow.

    So anyone who has a "feeling", no matter how unworthy or base, has a right to demand respect for it?

    No bloody way. Feelings are as subject to criticism as anything else, and they certainly don't trump other people's rights.
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    Jun 06, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    Buckwheet said
    If I go to a movie and a gay couple is making face sucking sounds, damn right it better be dealt with!
    I owe no allegiance and won't suffer anyone.


    Buckybeaver, c'mon. Dont be making up situations and the actions, then knock 'em down like I was supporting them.

    Others on here are making the assumption of french kissing. We dont know that.

    Again the point for me is equality with what straights are allowed to do. Do str8s kiss at the park...have any of them even used some tongue? And who can tell? The complainer prolly would have to be looking pretty hard to see.

    What I am hearing is that there was some PDA and somebody took advantage to try to harass these lesbian.
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    Jun 06, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    For those that didn't read the article, they weren't making out, especially since they were both sharing garlic fries. Pecks and cuddles, yes, but no major in-your-face goings on.

    The garlic fries at Safeco Field aren't actually an aphrodisiac. They mix the poor fries in LOTS of real garlic and give you a couple of apple slices in a lame attempt to give you a break from the pungent flavor. (They're the best things EVER!)

    Anyway, the double standard is the issue.
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    Jun 06, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    Being a gay man living in Seattle I am completely and utterly embarrassed by this. The only benefit is that every tv and radio commentator (aside from any shows having to do with religion) are completely making fun of Safeco Field and their homophobic policies. As well they should.

    And this is clearly a double standard. As mentioned and according to the women, one of whom is also a local DJ, it was just a peck on the lips. No tongue, no fondling.

    And straight couples peck each other all the time if not actually fuck in the upper bleachers and no one says anything.

    If you have something against anyone giving another person a peck on the lips in public then perhaps you should enroll in the Pat Robertson University and help propel the country even farther back in to the dark ages.
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    Jun 07, 2008 12:25 AM GMT
    Buckwheet said No one has the right to challenge the validity of someone's feelings, simply because they exist.

    jprichva said
    Wow.

    So anyone who has a "feeling", no matter how unworthy or base, has a right to demand respect for it?

    No bloody way. Feelings are as subject to criticism as anything else, and they certainly don't trump other people's rights.



    You chopped off my next sentence.
    A feeling can't be dismissed or invalidated, it can only be addressed. It doesn't matter if someone is right or wrong in how they feel, it cannot be dismissed, only addressed.
    And when I say addressed, I don't mean do whatever they demand, I mean do what is in your power to address the issue. If it is not enough, they are free to leave. But you cannot simply dismiss it as wrong or irrelevant; it must be attended.
    You cannot invalidate how someone feels.
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    Jun 07, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    Buckwheet said
    If I go to a movie and a gay couple is making face sucking sounds, damn right it better be dealt with!
    I owe no allegiance and won't suffer anyone.

    Caslon4000 said
    Buckybeaver, c'mon. Dont be making up situations and the actions, then knock 'em down like I was supporting them.

    Others on here are making the assumption of french kissing. We dont know that.


    I was giving a example of what I would expect if I found myself in a situation, it wasn't my intention to apply it to your view.

    It's true we don't know the facts of the matter and until we do everything said here is based off of assumptions. But that is all that is left, if an opinion is solicited on light information.

    I read this and based my response on it: "On Monday, Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said that the club is investigating but that the usher was responding to a complaint of two women "making out" and "groping" in the stands."
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:05 AM GMT
    Lesbian PDAs are rare. I say let the girls go for it.
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    Jun 07, 2008 5:45 AM GMT
    pdxboxer saidLesbian PDAs are rare. I say let the girls go for it.


    Ok, when you say PDA I think Personal Digital Assistant. Eh?
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    Jun 07, 2008 5:57 AM GMT
    It really depends on the degree of the kissing. I mean children don't need to see that regardless of gay or straight couple doing the making out.

    a quick kiss on the lips or cheek is ok anything longer is vulgar and theres a time and place.
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    Jun 09, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
    PDAs take guts. Yesterday in an experiment I was in public with my boyfriend. We were in full view of everyone at a downtown festival. I was wearing rainbow colors and it wasn't hard to make us out as a gay couple.

    I turned to him, threw my arms around his neck, he being taller than I, I had to elevate myself on my toes, and kissed him. He was in terror. Nothing happened, no one said anything, but he hates confrontation even the possibility of it. Later in the park we spread a blanket on the grass by a concert and he was more receptive but still not too affectionate.

    I think that's a possible reason more gay men don't do it, because of the risk of confrontation. I see Lesbians do it once in awhile and never two men. I suggest we get some guts and start doing it more often, holding hands, kissing (nothing too extreme), arms around one another, just to announce our presence. People don't think we exist, so lets show them.



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    Jun 09, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
    It depends on the kiss.

    I think kissing in public is OK, but intense kissing, throwing legs over each other and lots of tongue. Now that is not OK in public. If you were doing that in a gay club in Ireland you would probably be asked to stop.