Senate About to Declare War on Freedom

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    Nov 29, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
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    Nov 29, 2011 11:15 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThis is some pretty scary stuff ... I wonder why the media hasn't gotten wind of it?



    I'm guessing because the media is run by huge corporations and corporations run the government.
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    Nov 29, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThis is some pretty scary stuff ... I wonder why the media hasn't gotten wind of it?

    Possibly because the author of the article greatly misunderstood the bill and probably did not read it and does not understand American politics and is overly paranoid and a sensationalist.

    Here is the bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867: and it says:

    "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States."

    Furthermore, the bill still has to go under vote and still has to be signed by the President. On the off chance that what the article says is true, remember that SCOTUS case about the Guantanamo Bay prisoner who was a US citizen? Here is what Hamdi v Rumsfel says: U.S. citizens designated as enemy combatants by the Executive Branch have a right to challenge their detainment under the Due Process Clause.

    What may cause outrage is that earlier sections of the bill says that the soldiers have the capability of detaining a suspected terrorist who is a non-legal and a non-citizen of the US.
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    Nov 30, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    Did anyone actually take the time to reviewthe bill? Or do you normally believe everything you read on the internet?

    Here's the actual text: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112WbJvqI:e462417:

    Section 1032 is basically reaffirming laws passed after 9/11 dealing with detention outside the US and it specifically states that the authority for military detention doesn't apply to US Citizens or Lawful Resident aliens.

    There is no section authorizing use of the Military on US soil. However, Section 1042 gives the the Secretary of Defense authority to protect DOD property, however, enforcement off of DOD property is limited to civilian officers who also have the power to enforce federal laws.


    If I'm missing something, I sure would love to see it...
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    Nov 30, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    Remember the importance of carefully considering and verifying the validity of your sources and even your sources' sources. Otherwise, you will just end up looking stupid (which I know you are not) or people will think you have a political agenda in posting material that lacks factual worth (which I hope you do not).

    It would also be helpful to provide commentary to accompany your links lest there be any confusion, but it's not a must.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 30, 2011 1:16 AM GMT
    Ummm ... just so you know

    George W suspended Habeus Corpus already
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    Nov 30, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    GQjock saidUmmm ... just so you know

    George W suspended Habeus Corpus already

    +1 & Obama hasn't reiinstated it.
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    Dec 01, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
    Looks like I was wrong on this... it does exactly what you all said... This is pretty freaking scary!

    http://news.yahoo.com/senate-backs-military-custody-terror-suspects-194321101.html
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    Dec 01, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidIn reading http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112WbJvqI:e462417: These documents are always writting in order of importance. That is to say something that is written at the top of the document can override anything that is written below it. In question are what appears to be SEC. 1031 and SEC. 1032. As 1031 is first, it can trump SEC. 1032.


    This isn't true. New law does trump older laws but bills are not written in order of importance. Different sections deal with different topics and the sections are on the same general topics every year for organizational purposes - at least in the defense bill.