Why is Christianity often targeted by the GLBT community?

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    Jun 07, 2008 5:40 AM GMT
    As a Gay Catholic Christian, I cannot understand why Christianity is targeted by the GLBT community as evil, old, or pointless insanity. For example the Folsom Day Fair had their "last supper" pic mocking the famous daVinci painting. Some PrideFests have "Hot Jesus" contests, and I can't understand where this hatred or anguish comes from against Christianity.

    Can anyone tell me why a good religion like Christianity is intolerable to many GLBTs but a religion of hatred like Islam isn't even spoken out against?

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    After reading all these views and experiences, misunderstandings and misinterpretations, I finally seem to understand why some GLBT ppl have a tendency to think of Christianity as the official Anti-Gay religion. Concurring with your point dcarm, it seems that I now realize that our western society as a whole is way too lazy to go into the specific details, doctrines, or history behind a belief, a statement, or an action, and we all tend to generalize the beliefs of one sect to another as the same.

    This forum has also obviously concluded that it is not the religion that is bad, but the followers who do not focus on the religion's teachings, and press their own personal agenda in the name of Christianity. This is the very root of why some GLBT people leave Christianity or oppose it, even though some sects do stay faithful to the teachings of Christ.


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    Jun 07, 2008 8:22 AM GMT
    I think from the perspective from someone in the UK is that Christianity is the established State religion, it is intertwined in our political system (The Monarch must be a member of the Church of England, and the Bishops have a vote in our upper legislative house, the House of Lords.) As its so entwined with our system it feels like we can give it more flack. Furthermore as most people in the UK are a member of a Christian denomination (practicing or not) that gives a kind-of license to criticise it.

    In modern British History the Church and its values (such as abortion and homophobia etc) have been criticised as society developed, and the Church just takes it, and as a Catholic I'm proud of that. Religion is a personal thing and faith should be open to question, and as I already said due to its establishment in Britain its an easy target.

    I think that we avoid attacking other religions for numerous reasons. I think its mostly due to political correctness. We don't criticise Judaism due to the holocaust and the fear of being labelled as anti-Semitic. For Islam, well I think we can all guess. A few cartoons sparked mass demonstrations across the globe and a book by Salman Rushdie attracted a fatwa on his life. Furthermore I think there is also a certain fear of being racist when it comes to Islam.

    Chapter One in the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is a good read (I'm up to Chapter 2 at the moment) and goes into the sensitivity of religion. May be worth a look in.

    As for the LGBT community especially...In my opinion, because LGBT communities are most advanced/powerful (don't know which term to use) are predominately from 'Christian Countries' or countries with Christian traditions or values it could be a pseudo-rebellion against the religion/dogma which effects them the most.

    Will go to the gym and think more on this issue, I'm sure what I have said is open to criticism...

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    Jun 07, 2008 8:22 AM GMT
    To OP: Haven't watched Fox News much, have you?

    But really, here in the US, Islam isn't a threat against gays. It's a big deal in Egypt and most of Africa, Saudi Arabia and Iran. But here Muslims are a small, rather quiet minority.

    It really became a big deal when Jerry Falwell of Moral Majority fame, now dead, began making a big deal about gays, in the name of Christ. And Phyllis Schlafly. And Pat Robertson. And just about any televangelist other than Joel Osteen.

    The threats became more real when Pat Robertson ran for president. Not that he was a viable candidate, but he founded the Christian Coalition. This spawned Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, and a half-dozen other anti-gay groups showcased on Fox News.

    Last but not least there's Fred Phelps, the deranged preacher who sends his followers to gays' funerals to demonstrate.

    For a gay man, it all becomes a little overwhelming. Especially when there ought to be more backlash against these crazies. Oh, there is, but it doesn't make the nightly news.

    The Christian Right has been instrumental in pushing same-sex marriage initiatives onto ballots to encourage frightened bigoted people to come out of the woodwork to vote against the gays. Most states have already passed amendments to their constitutions to forbid same-sex marriage.

    So here's a question: where've you been the last 30 years?
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    Jun 07, 2008 10:36 AM GMT
    In support of MAKOJ59 I say to everyone who feels it necessary to bash religion because they feel as though they have put them down, it was not God himself, nor the religion, but people. Mere people who hide under the religion umbrella and have taken their hatred out. I go to church as often as I can, pray everyday, and try to live my life the best I can. Yet everyday I am forced to live with people who make a disgrace and mockery of religion, and make it almost embarrassing to claim my faith. They do not represent me as a Christian, just as the drag queens and leather people at "Pride parades" do not represent my gay lifestyle. This is a great country. We have the chance to speak our minds and live our own lives. Everyone says its unconstitutional to ban civil unions, wether you agree or not, but those same constitutional rights give them the freedom of speech to speak out against gays, just as it gives you the right to call them "crazies." I suggest if you wish to point fingers, you point it to the individuals that you feel "oppress" you, just as you would not want someone pointing their finger at you blaming you for everything they feel is wrong with gay culture.
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    Jun 07, 2008 10:38 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    Last but not least there's Fred Phelps, the deranged preacher who sends his followers to gays' funerals to demonstrate.


    He doesn't only protest gay funerals, he protests military funerals. Saying that military deaths are God's punishment for allowing homosexuals in this country.
    I work with a guy who is a fireman out in New Jersey. One of his fellow firemen was killed in Iraq. There were rumors that Phelps gang was going to protest. Had phelps' group shown up it probably wouldn't have been pretty.

    As to the OP, most of us weren't raised in Islam, or really have had to deal with it much. But we were raised in some form of Christian church. So we spent our entire childhoods hearing how gay=bad. Which as we came to terms with ourselves, tuned at least partially into us=bad. So there's probably some left over resentment about that.
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    Jun 07, 2008 10:48 AM GMT
    Favorite bumper sticker (I know it's not this thread)

    "Jesus, save me from your followers."
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    Let me start by saying although I am not a Christian, I have a great deal of admiration and profound respect for the mystical tradition of the true Christian religion, the real one, behind today's facade of a religion. It is the modern implementation of Christianity, and yes it is people's implementation of Christianity, not Christianity itself that has become the loathsome thing that it is today.

    I think a large part of the reason that Christianity is given little tolerance in the LGBT world, is because Christianity today offers little tolerance of its own. Modern Christians have brought this condition upon themselves, with hypocrisy, casting judgment, belittling, condemning, and other things that they weren't supposed to be doing. It's the way of the modern Christian to only pay attention to the stuff in the Bible that suits their cause at any one time, while ignoring all the other stuff about avoiding hypocrisy, and not judging thy brother.

    Modern Christianity seems to continue to drive home this George Bush'esqe point that you are either with us or you're against us. I can't tell you how many times that some Christian has told me that only Christians go to heaven. All the Muslims, all the Buddhists, all the Hindu's, all the Jain's, and all the rest that are not Christians are going to hell. Telling anyone and everyone that doesn't happen to agree with your world wiew that they are going to hell doesn't do a lot to warm up anyone to the cause, let alone a group of people like the LGBT's. LGBT people have long tolerated hypocrisy, judgment, condemnation, narrow-minded intolerance, prejudice, discrimination, fear mongering, hatred, and acts of violence. All acts of violence start in the mind as an act of viewing others as seperate and different from ourselves. So when the LGBT is faced with these same reactions from so called "Christian's" then the response can't be expected to be positive.

    Jesus was a wonderful teacher that brought a message of love, tolerance, forgiveness, and peace; yet most of the christian churches would rather concern themselves with "the battle against": homosexuality, abortion, divorce, false religions, alcohol and drugs, teen pregnancy, political parties, etc. They are so damn busy with "the battle against" that they forget Jesus brought forth one new commandment, and that commandment was simply to love one another. I don't know if you've read the same version I have, but that commandment didn't come with qualifiers. He didn't say love only hetrosexuals, or love only other Christians, or love only republicans; indeed by deed and word he showed the world that we are supposed to love those that are hardest to love. As you have done onto the least of these, you have done onto me, he said; he saved prostitutes saying let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Where do you see any evidence of modern Christians living in dicipleship of the pure brand of love, tolerance, foregiveness, and compassion that is Jesus taught?

    Instead, modern Christians ignore the story of the love affair between David and Jonathon, and brandish some old testament scripture that they interpret to condemn homosexuality. Keep in mind this comes from the same book that requires us to make blood sacrifices of animals to the high priest of the church. It also seems that with few exceptions, Christians stubbornly hold onto illogical, fanciful notions, saying you just have to have faith, instead of allowing the religion to grow, adapt and transform itself in response to discoveries in the universe; as if God suddenly quit talking to people 2,000 years ago. In the process its become stubbornly dogmatic, obsolete, and has driven people away from the church in a mass exodus.

    The churches work on building up multi-million dollar building funds while people go hungry in their communities. Rather then making a real difference and following the example of Jesus, they all adopt a highway some Sunday afternoon so they can get their good deed in but not really have to have any real contact with the dirty, the hurting, the downtrodden, the homeless or the hungry.

    Chrisitianity in the United States today is nothing short of a mockery of what I believe Christ intended, and the LGBT has been around to many corners not to see hypocrisy, judgment, and intolerance when its put so clearly before them.
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    Jun 07, 2008 11:22 AM GMT
    "Why is Christianity often targeted by the GLBT community?"

    This is like asking "why do you put a baby in the blender feet first?" The answer is obvious: so you can watch it's expressions.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jun 07, 2008 11:36 AM GMT
    I have to be honest. I never realised just how messed up "some"Christians are in the US. I have heard of some family or group, that dedicated their lives to riding the world of gays. Not sure if they call themselves Christian or not. I think they were planing a trip to Ireland icon_twisted.gif

    Those people, that have that hate for gays, can call themselves Christian, but they are not Christian.

    "Christian" does not mean hate, it means love.

    There is too much generalising done on this website when it comes to Christians. Way too much.

    I am proud to be Catholic. I take offence of the generalising that goes on here. I have got the view from two guys here on RJ that, I am lowlife, second class, because I am Catholic. Those two know who they are, so if I am wrong on this they can comment. I think there are probably more than them that think that, but it got kind of personal with those two.

    I will back any of you up in condemning those peoples hatred, but I would not back you up in condemning Christianity. Those are just messed up people.

    You can look at any religion, or any group of people, race, nationality, and you will find people that hate others for some reason or other. If there was a group of Irish people that hated Americans, would you, Americans hate all Irish people, because of that? If there were a group of Americans that hated Irish people, would you like if all Irish people hated Americans because of that?

    You are stooping to their level. Don't let them do that to you.

    Mike
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    Jun 07, 2008 12:03 PM GMT
    I dislike all three monotheistic religions. There is nothing benign about any of them although christianity and especially islam have a really mean spirit. Christianity is oppressive and islam is oppressive and murderous. Especially towards us LGBTers.

    I don't subscribe to any beliefs in a supernatural entity, unless you consider Uncle Sam a supernatural entity. I worship American culture, the American flag is my idol. John Locke/Thomas Hobbes/Voltaire/Jean Jacques Rouseau/J. S. Mills/the American founding fathers are my prophets.

    My Wiccan friends are a lot of fun although I just can't really worship their mythical supernatural entities either. But dancing naked in the woods must be more fun than praying on knees.

    My particular problem with Christians is; they're really screwing up my political party. I wish the Christian nuts would go Democrat.

    I agree with what you say about islam though. The LGBT community is partucularly mute there. Christians usually don't strap on bomb belts. The LGBT community doesn't want to provoke them. Christians, as an organized religion are not usually so lethal.





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    Jun 07, 2008 12:44 PM GMT
    John43620 said
    I agree with what you say about islam though. The LGBT community is partucularly mute there. Christians usually don't strap on bomb belts. The LGBT community doesn't want to provoke them. Christians, as an organized religion are not usually so lethal.




    Hold on...........I get it. Christians are bash-able because you're not afraid they will blow you up icon_question.gif Islam is not because you are afraid they will icon_question.gif

    Yeah, I think I get it now.

    Put simply, you're a coward icon_wink.gificon_smile.gif
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    "God hates fags!"

    The story of Sodom and Gamorrah.

    Christian Coalition

    "homosexuality is a sin"

    same-sex marriage bans

    Focus on the Family

    "Homosexuality is a biological flaw."

    Gay bashing/beating/murder: hate crimes



    WHY HAVE YOU NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION? HOW CAN YOU ASK THIS QUESTION?
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:42 PM GMT
    *retracted* I read through too quickly. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:50 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    It really became a big deal when Jerry Falwell of Moral Majority fame, now dead, began making a big deal about gays, in the name of Christ raising huge sums of money with "gay agenda" hysteria.

    I fixed this for you. Hope you don't mind.
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:51 PM GMT
    MikePhil said, "I have to be honest. I never realised just how messed up "some"Christians are in the US. I have heard of some family or group, that dedicated their lives to riding the world of gays. Not sure if they call themselves Christian or not. I think they were planing a trip to Ireland icon_twisted.gif
    Those people, that have that hate for gays, can call themselves Christian, but they are not Christian.
    "Christian" does not mean hate, it means love.
    There is too much generalising done on this website when it comes to Christians. Way too much.
    I am proud to be Catholic. I take offence of the generalising that goes on here. I have got the view from two guys here on RJ that, I am lowlife, second class, because I am Catholic. Those two know who they are, so if I am wrong on this they can comment. I think there are probably more than them that think that, but it got kind of personal with those two.
    I will back any of you up in condemning those peoples hatred, but I would not back you up in condemning Christianity. Those are just messed up people.
    You can look at any religion, or any group of people, race, nationality, and you will find people that hate others for some reason or other. If there was a group of Irish people that hated Americans, would you, Americans hate all Irish people, because of that? If there were a group of Americans that hated Irish people, would you like if all Irish people hated Americans because of that?
    You are stooping to their level. Don't let them do that to you."




    I gotta ask, are you an OUT CATHOLIC? I didn't think so. Come out, actively participate (sing in choir/usher/read the liturgy/assist in offering the Eucharist) in your parish and then report back to us about how proud you REALLY are.
  • dcarm

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    Jun 07, 2008 1:52 PM GMT
    I was a Christian, now a Deist. With that out the way...

    Re the OP:
    My guess is that in western culture, there is a voluble group of anti-gay Christians, and other groups who do good things but are less front-page or whatever.

    And so the Public Image of Christianity is tainted by the voluble antis, while the more useful, actually-trying-to-help-people groups are ignored unless you already know about them.

    Because the Public Image of Christianity is anti-gay, and in "Western" Nations (Like Australia, USA, etc) the one people are most likely to run across, I think that's why the GLBTI (I for Intersex in the Australian nomenclature) community has a general anti-christian attitude.

    I doubt the GLBTI anti-Christian sentiment affects interpersonal relationships for many people, but it would affect their choice of functions most likely.

    Put simply, I think it's a PR issue. The vocal group is anti-gay, and Christianity is the highest-profile religion (for the nitty-gritty stuff) in western countries. It doesn't help when Bush says he's on your side, either... or John Howard...

    As for the Islam bit, like lots of people (I suspect) I basically don't know enough about it to be offended by it. The same goes for a lot of other religions. Christianity's been "the name of the oppressor" relative to the Western GLBTI community, so they're the ones that are resented within it.

    My suggested fix? Get a pro-gay pro-christian protest happening somewhere poignant, alert loads and loads of the press ahead of time, and get some big numbers happening. Equal profile, opposite message should just about cancel out any future messages from the anti crowd.

    Re MikePhil:
    "They are not Christians"? It's like saying "Islamic Terrorists" aren't really Muslim. They label themselves as such and so they tar the community they claim. I understand the intent behind your saying it, but it doesn't achieve the purpose, because they probably say the same thing about you, and almost definitely louder. For that tactic to work you need a widely agreed upon standard among denominations for "what is a Christian" and that standard needs to be broadcast in such a way that everyone will know the standard, whether they're devout Christians, Muslims, or Atheists. And then what happens when people don't agree with the current "This is a Christian" standard? That's how we got the denominations in the first place.

    "There is too much generalisation" most places when it comes to Women,Men,(Insert Nationality Here),Dogs,Cats,Gay Guys, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgender Folks, (Insert Religion Here), City Inhabitants, Young People, The Elderly...
    Seriously, take a number on the generalisation thing, It's not unique to this website or to Christianity. If people didn't generalise the world would probably be a much nicer place. But it may also take a long time to say something without them.

    Re both of you:
    I hope you find this a reasonably thought-out response.
    I understand the frustration you have on the topic, it still frustrates me as well.
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    Jun 07, 2008 1:54 PM GMT
    outdoorsman704 saidWe have the chance to speak our minds and live our own lives. Everyone says its unconstitutional to ban civil unions, wether you agree or not, but those same constitutional rights give them the freedom of speech to speak out against gays, just as it gives you the right to call them "crazies." I suggest if you wish to point fingers, you point it to the individuals that you feel "oppress" you, just as you would not want someone pointing their finger at you blaming you for everything they feel is wrong with gay culture.

    Well said, outdoorsman. Religion, in whatever form, is man-made (and by implication, fallible and imperfect). Faith is divine.

    During my years of immersion in far-right Christianity and ultra-conservative politics (yes, I was even a Rep. caucus leader for two election cycles), I saw very little actual gay bashing. I did, however, often hear the condescending "hate the sin but love the sinner" sentiments, along with some rather misguided perceptions about what the gay lifestyle and "agenda" are all about. I also encountered a lot of messages and teachings that suggested that gays reject religion (i.e., Christianity) simply because its moral codes are contrary to the gay lifestyle, and accountability to a higher being would imply the need for a radical personal change. In other words, gays like their "addiction" and don't want to sacrifice erotic pleasure for piety.

    During those years, I came to believe that homosexuality was the byproduct of a dysfunctional upbringing (i.e., negative relationship w/father, over-identification w/mother, rejection by same-sex peers, etc.) and a sensitive temperament, but not, by any means, a byproduct of genetics. I also came to believe that homosexuality could be "cured" through faith and reparative therapy, and based upon those assumptions, I spent (wasted?) many years seeking to overcome the blight of homosexuality that was upon me.

    Of course, over time, I learned that reparative therapy is a fraud and that learning to love and accept oneself, as one is, is really the essence of that fullness of life Christianity and other religions often promise, but rarely deliver. Striving to become a better man, woman, father, mother, citizen, etc. -- regardless of sexual orientation -- is not pre-conditioned upon a fundamental overhaul of one's true essence.

    Sociologically speaking, I do think that many of the neo-con persuasion have co-opted Christianity in order to drive various political agendas, seeking to inculcate the masses w/a particular world view by brute force. That is the allure of religion -- it offers a very powerful and seductive command and control structure. If you can lead the masses to believe that they are personally bankrupt and completely unworthy, they become quite pliable and are easily entranced by the aura of charismatic (if misguided) religious leaders and teachings.

    In that regard, I think that it is quite appropriate for the gay community to call a spade a spade, but doing so in a respectful and non-judgmental spirit. As for Christianity, Jesus came to set us free, not to enslave or suppress us. His message is one of abundance, hope and joy, and by that standard, and by applying this litmus test, you can cull through the cacophony spewed by a vocal minority to find messages of love, hope and transcendence. On the other hand, hate begets hate, and thus, I think the gay community does itself quite a disservice by failing to take the high road instead of bashing Christianity and religion as a matter of policy.
  • dcarm

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    Jun 07, 2008 2:04 PM GMT
    To those of you who posted while I thought out & edited my previous response...

    CoolArmyDude:
    Your first post is exactly my point about the PR thing.
    Your second though, assumes itself to be a rhetorical question when it shouldn't be. Consider my two dear lesbian friends who are known throughout their parish to be lesbians, although it's not specifically mentioned. They are asked and invited to read the liturgy together for their parish Christmas and Easter services amongst other things.

    Global_Citizen:
    That's the point they're making. And for the record, it's not all about making money. Some places actually do try to help their surrounding suburbs/international causes/whoever needs help, some even do it without expecting any kind of conversion either.

    1969er:
    aren't you making the case for why Christianity is intolerant of the GLBTI community rather than the other way around?
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    Jun 07, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    They started it
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    McGay saidThis is like asking "why do you put a baby in the blender feet first?" The answer is obvious: so you can watch it's expressions.


    RJ should have some sort of award ceremony for the funniest post, most thoughtful, most helpful, etc.

    I nominate this for the most twisted.

    In view of the physiognomy of some of the men here, I suggest we call the award the "Abby".
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    Jun 07, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    I don't see Folsom's picture of the Last Supper in Leather as an affront against Christianity. The Last Supper was a painting by da Vinci, a gay man, that was painted in the 15th century. It's not like he was sitting for a portrait.

    Besides, wouldn't it have been odd for them all to be sitting on one side of the table? How can you have a conversation like that?
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    Jun 07, 2008 2:43 PM GMT
    the religion itself isn't bad, since jesus's core tenets were love and unconditional acceptance- but what it's become as a political organization and cultural construct of sanctimonious judgement and unacceptance is insufferable. the original mystical teachings of the gnostic christians were beautiful, and the early christian cult was revolutionary in their acceptance of others- but as soon as constantine turned the increasingly popular cult into an engine of the state, it became hopelessly corrupted with power and agenda. the ORGANIZATION is wicked, and many of its followers have hurt us in its name. people have spent 2000 years ignoring jesus's main message, and instead have turned to infighting and nit-picking over values and morals- which are really social constructs designed for order in a time and place, and so evolve with culture, having nothing to do with God (if i had my way they'd be separated from religion like religion's separated from government- they serve different purposes.) fighting and arguing is what the church does best- usually for the wrong reasons. this trend has led to such enlightening times as the dark ages, the crusades, the inquisition, witch burnings; its backward thinking fought science every step of the way in the enlightenment, and even today the church is bound up in hypocrisy and stagnation, fueling homophobes and bigots around the globe with verses to spew, not saying anything at all about how unchristian hate or unacceptance in any form really is. in fact, within the construct of their own religion, isn't Satan the one who presides over wrathful judgement, accusation, pride and arrogance?

    it represents to many of us everything that's backward-thinking and unhealthy in the world concerning being gay; clinging to outdated values and ideas, burdening us with unwieldily guilt or shame, and damning us to hell- of COURSE that's not going to make us happy with them. the most liberal of the priests will tell you some hogwash like, 'well..... i guess you can BE gay... just don't ACT on it if don't want to burn.' to this day they insist its a choice. i'm sorry, i must NOT be an authority on the subject when i tell you i was born gay and can no more 'change' than an albino could. yet they have gay concentration camps in this country, like Camp Kratz, that involve electroshock therapy and severe emotional trauma to get kids to act straight and suppress their natures. can anyone blame us for being offended? not to mention the fact that the only reason we can't get married is because the christians take umbrage, nit-picking as only they do best, with the word being applied to us.

    on a more individual level, i think that most of the experiences we have with homophobes or with estranged family or friends occur in the name of christian values- at least, that's what everyone who 'has a problem with it' always falls back on. again, can anyone blame the rebellion? why don't we speak out against islam too? well the media's doing a good enough job, for one- we can watch movies where they get blown up lol- but more truly, its because Islam's fundamentalistic ignorance hasn't touched our lives as directly and painfully in this hemisphere, or as destructively, as the church's.

    finally, it puts itself on a high golden pedestal, and people or organizations that do that are always begging to be knocked down- and people by nature are willing to oblige :p
    that enough of an answer for you? now tell me, why do you love the church?


  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 07, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    makoj59 said

    Can anyone tell me why a good religion like Christianity is intolerable to many GLBTs but a religion of hatred like Islam isn't even spoken out against?

    Wow! Somebody who thinks HIS religion is "good" and not a religion of "hatred"!

    This is typical of the delusional poison that defines all religion.
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    Jun 07, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    makoj59 saidAs a Gay Catholic Christian, I cannot understand why Christianity is targeted by the GLBT community as evil, old, or pointless insanity. For example the Folsom Day Fair had their "last supper" pic mocking the famous daVinci painting. Some PrideFests have "Hot Jesus" contests, and I can't understand where this hatred or anguish comes from against Christianity.

    Can anyone tell me why a good religion like Christianity is intolerable to many GLBTs but a religion of hatred like Islam isn't even spoken out against?





    I think it's a direct reaction to the fact that the politically active Christians speak out about homosexual rights, saying the Bible says it's a sin, while ignoring everything else the Bible says is a sin.

    In my opinion, the majority of 'gay culture' springs from not feeling accepted by mainstream culture.