Do you own an iPhone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy.

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    Dec 02, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15730499

    The US Supreme Court could soon allow police to monitor the movements of US mobile phone users without a warrant. Now that most of us carry sophisticated tracking devices in our pockets, how much privacy do we have a right to expect?
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    Dec 03, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
    "Do you own a smartphone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy"

    there fixed.


    If anything you should be worried about owning an Android smartphone, apparently there's built in software(Carrier IQ) that monitors your key strokes, location, contacts and so on.
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    Dec 03, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    charlitos said"Do you own a smartphone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy"

    there fixed.


    If anything you should be worried about owning an Android smartphone, apparently there's built in software(Carrier IQ) that monitors your key strokes, location, contacts and so on.


    Thank you! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 03, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    This makes me glad I still haven't gotten a smartphone.
  • PipHop

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    Dec 03, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    I don't have much I need to hide lol. It may be naive of me, but I highly doubt the records of each and every individual that owns a smartphone is worth or will be monitored. I'll find out if someone shows up at my door dressed like the Men In Black.
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    Dec 03, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    "I've got nothing to hide" is not a healthy way to view privacy issues. This type of complacent thinking allows them to take away our rights. Eventually, we won't have any. Also, most people think they are law abiding citizens, but I would say that we all break some type of law unintentionally. So yeah, if the government is watching your every move, they'll eventually find something to arrest/fine you with.
  • Anto

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    Dec 05, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    charlitos said"Do you own a smartphone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy"

    there fixed.


    If anything you should be worried about owning an Android smartphone, apparently there's built in software(Carrier IQ) that monitors your key strokes, location, contacts and so on.


    Depends on what the carrier has done not that it's an Android device.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:46 AM GMT
    meh who cares? all i go is work, sleep, and go to bars anyway. it could come in handy if someone tries to kidnap me or something...idk
  • Fact

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    Dec 05, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    I HAVE AN Iphone 4s icon_smile.gif


    "Goodbye to the last of my privacy"
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    Augustine92 saidhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15730499

    The US Supreme Court could soon allow police to monitor the movements of US mobile phone users without a warrant. Now that most of us carry sophisticated tracking devices in our pockets, how much privacy do we have a right to expect?


    This (warrant-less tracking) have long been allowed by the courts. This is not new news. They are not executing a search (in the view of the courts), but, rather are keeping an eye on you, and...using technology to do it.

    Most courts have held this as a LEGAL practice, and that it does not infringe on 4'th amendment rights, the rationale being that they could hire a cop to follow you around but GPS, and devices like LoJack, do that for them.

    Enhanced 911 has long provided this service for emergency dispatch centers.

    Not much you can do about it. There is no requirement for reasonable / probable cause to follow a person around, unfortunately. Essentially, it's legalized stalking, by law enforcement, but, instead of using humans, they use technology.

    VZW is the only major wireless carrier that does not implement Carrier Iq. which is basically a black box on your phone with a key and location logger...the rationale being that it helps provide better service.

    Your cable tv STB (set top box) also records every key stroke you do and is polled daily. Your tv viewing habits / everything about your tv...is uploaded every day..cable tv providers bring in BILLIONS of STB records...DAILY..and track all sorts of metrics.

    Telephone switches keep track of everything. SMDR / CDR / MTSO detail records, that track EVERYTHING.

    Homeland Security law REQUIRES that all SMS and MMS messages be archived for a minimum of two years. Voice mail does NOT have that same requirement.

    There is no such thing as privacy.

    Utility bills are parsed for high usage (indicated a pot farm maybe). FLIR is used to look at thermal hot spots in neighborhoods, and...with very low light cams...it'll be interesting to see if law enforcement gets reined in. The military industrial sector charges big money for those devices. Private prison operators want more heads... and so it goes....

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_proprietary_network_information/url]

    FYI: Charlitos did not do his research. Carrier IQ is not used just on Android devices.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    CPNI...

    Banks, utilities, and more do it unless you specifically opt out.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
    charlitos said"Do you own a smartphone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy"

    there fixed.


    If anything you should be worried about owning an Android smartphone, apparently there's built in software(Carrier IQ) that monitors your key strokes, location, contacts and so on.


    Carriers are the ones monitoring. It has nothing to do with Android. If you want to take that position, then you'd have to say that Apple is just as bad.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
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    charlitos said"Do you own a smartphone? Say goodbye to the last of your privacy"

    there fixed.


    If anything you should be worried about owning an Android smartphone, apparently there's built in software(Carrier IQ) that monitors your key strokes, location, contacts and so on.


    Carriers are the ones monitoring. It has nothing to do with Android. If you want to take that position, then you'd have to say that Apple is just as bad.


    I think his point was 1) to call out the OP for singling out the iPhone and 2) to point out that when the OP started this thread, Android was getting slammed in the media for the Carrier IQ software.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    Ever since 11 Sept. 2001 and likely long before that, we have been a surveillance state, and a de facto police state.

    Since 1 Dec. 2011, with the passage of SB 1867, we are solidifying ourselves as a de jure police state.

    Welcome to the Evil Empire of America. icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    Here's a hint - if you're going to do something naughty or if you don't want to be tracked, TURN OFF YOUR PHONE.

    Radical concept, eh?
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    I know a number of folks that carry two phones....LOL. You can infer the rest.
  • uppernyguy

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    Dec 05, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    YAWNNNNNNNNNNN!

    Personally, if you think "big brother" is monitoring to phone conversations or web-browsing activities of every Tom, Dick, Harry & ordinary Joe....you're both naive and ummm, shall we say....stupid!

    If you have nothing to hide....you have nothing to worry about. Do you realize how many terrorist threats and potential terrorist threats have been thwarted because Big Brother (via the Patriot Act) is listening???

    I, for one, appreciate that fact. The bastards pissed on our soil in 2001....lets make sure they never do it again. And if that means Big Brother is listening to my insignificant boring conversations with telemarketers, so be it!
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said
    I think his point was 1) to call out the OP for singling out the iPhone and 2) to point out that when the OP started this thread, Android was getting slammed in the media for the Carrier IQ software.


    What he said was misleading though.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:57 AM GMT
    ATT has lobbied for years to be the Internet Cop. Thus far, they haven't succeeded.

    ATT has wanted to be the gateway to The World, and sniff all traffic for intelligence.

    Most good intelligence doesn't come from this sort of monitoring. Most good intelligence comes from qualified human informants.

    Right wing nutcases that don't know better say the monitoring prevented terrorist attacks (fear is used to sell the rationale), but, reality is that human informants provide the vast amount of good information, not SMS records, or packet sniffing.

    Anyone wanting to encrypt communications to protect it, can, and DOES.

    Mega corps / the military industrial complex makes BILLIONS on the fear factor and ignorant folks like the poster above.
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    Dec 05, 2011 3:00 AM GMT
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty
    to purchase a little temporary safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor safety."

    "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. "
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    Dec 05, 2011 3:08 AM GMT
    *sits patiently for Scully or Mulder to fall out of the tree because they fell asleep waiting for me to do or say something interesting*

    It is creepy, and unfortunately we live in a society that signs on the dotted line not understanding what they are agreeing to. iTunes knows damn well you are not going to read 57 pages of T&C's on your phone when you're trying to download an update to Grindr.

    Ooh, think about that... surveillance and Grindr.
  • uppernyguy

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    Dec 05, 2011 3:15 AM GMT
    YOURNAME2000..........

    Exactly my point..........if you're going to be on the phone "talking about "k*lling the Pr*sid*nt" a lot", those are exactly the types of calls that Big Brother SHOULD be monitoring and intercepting....and I have no problem with it.
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    Dec 07, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    uppernyguy saidYOURNAME2000..........

    Exactly my point..........if you're going to be on the phone "talking about "k*lling the Pr*sid*nt" a lot", those are exactly the types of calls that Big Brother SHOULD be monitoring and intercepting....and I have no problem with it.


    You will feel this way until you get out of line and hauled off to a cell, fired, or chastised. Ignorance is bliss.
  • uppernyguy

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    Dec 07, 2011 5:04 AM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREuppernyguy said
    YOURNAME2000..........

    Exactly my point..........if you're going to be on the phone "talking about "k*lling the Pr*sid*nt" a lot", those are exactly the types of calls that Big Brother SHOULD be monitoring and intercepting....and I have no problem with it.


    You will feel this way until you get out of line and hauled off to a cell, fired, or chastised. Ignorance is bliss.



    If you have nothing to hide....you have nothing to fear! And whats wrong with uncovering tax cheats or Bernie Madoff-type frauds with surveillance?

    Just one man's opinion............
  • Anto

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    Dec 08, 2011 1:30 AM GMT
    uppernyguy said
    If you have nothing to hide....you have nothing to fear!


    Loss of privacy. Abuse of information.