What Cain has done for conservatives and the country

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    Dec 03, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    His qualifications and life story are significant, but aside from the accusations, his limited experience with foreign policy would have been a detriment. He does support peace through strength, but would have to have demonstrated more knowledge to assure a successful campaign. The last 3 years have clearly demonstrated that dealing with the Russians, the mid-east, and others requires experience and judgement.

    He has demonstrated that conservatives will support a black man. The continued charges from the left that conservatives are racist has been soundly disproved. Of course, they try and marginalize this by calling him a token or Uncle Tom, but that demonstrates the racial antagonism comes from the hard left.

    Whether the personal accusations prove true or false, they show the media will go to any end to dig dirt on a conservative. Compare the team of reporters who tried to dig up dirt on Palin by seeking her gynecological records with the the softball treatment of Obama associations and university records. The public sees this and will resent future similar activities in coming months.

    Whatever one’s opinion of his politics may be, he is a success story. If the allegations prove true, then he has flaws, but to diminish him as a person, being done by the left is clear evidence of their cynicism and lack of character.

    I hope Cain remains a force and helps the country hold Obama accountable for his administration.
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    Dec 03, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    I hope he finds out who is behind all these allegations and sues the fuck out of them.
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    Dec 03, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    What we have learned from Cain's run for the WH is that he has REALLY touched the women of this country.
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    Dec 03, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    Keep your hands to yourself creeper!
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    Dec 03, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidI hope he finds out who is behind all these allegations and sues the fuck out of them.


    Well he knows by virtue of being CEO of NRA at the time who the women were that he paid off to settle their sexual harassment claims. And Ginger White has been all over television for days.

    The reason he's not suing them is because it would open him up to further damning information.

    And let's be real here: Herman Cain was never running for president. He was shilling for book sales and it got out of hand. Cain is "suspending' his campaign rather than ending it, so that he can continue to bilk gullible conservatives for donations to pay off campaign debt.
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    Dec 03, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    What Cain has done for conservatives and the country

    1. Diminished the Conservative "Brand Name"
    2. Continued the streak of Republican males being primarily known as incapable of controlling their zippers
    3. Shown the Republican/Teabagger goal as yet more tax reductions for the wealthy 1%, more taxes for the Middle Class. And to Hell with increasing jobs. Claim you wanna reduce taxes on millionaires and we're behind you, no matter how looney, morally challenged, inexperienced & incompetent in government you are

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    Dec 03, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
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    He has demonstrated that conservatives will support a black man. The continued charges from the left that conservatives are racist has been soundly disproved. Of course, they try and marginalize this by calling him a token or Uncle Tom, but that demonstrates the racial antagonism comes from the hard left.



    Wasn't that the point anyway? These two quotes sum up my thoughts:

    For too long, conservatives have blamed Black leaders for Republican failures with Black voters. Herman Cain’s view suggests that looking inward is something the Republicans are unable, or unwilling, to do. As former U.S. Representative J.C. Watts told me, Republicans simply “don’t get it” on race. And the notion of mind-control just doesn’t wash.

    This, of course, ignores decades of conservative political symbols and policies that have demonized African Americans, undermined Black progress, and repressed Black political participation. It ignores the hostility in some corners of today’s Republican Party toward African Americans. From dismantling federal civil rights enforcement to opposing or vetoing civil rights legislation and from racist incarceration policies to “welfare queens” and from economic policies that encourage the movement overseas of blue collar jobs to opposing increases in the minimum wage, conservatives have almost always been on the other side of the street from Black people. This is not brainwashing. It is an honest assessment of an ideology, practiced by a political party, that is antithetical to the interests of most African Americans.


    http://www.michaelfauntroy.com/site/index.php/site/comments/herman_cains_and_the_gops_confusion_about_black_voters/

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    In a way, Herman Cain is a genius: By saying he is a "real black man" with whom Obama would rather not box, Cain has successfully incepted the American public. What better way to prove that Republicans don't have a problem with Obama's skin color than to support someone with an even darker one?

    Herman Cain is blacker, keeps it realer and is not stupid, and he will never let you forget it. "If Democrats think they were progressive in 2008," muses the GOP, "check us out in 2012 — our black man is ‘real.'"
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    Dec 03, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
    Balljunkie saidWasn't that the point anyway? These two quotes sum up my thoughts:

    For too long, conservatives have blamed Black leaders for Republican failures with Black voters. Herman Cain’s view suggests that looking inward is something the Republicans are unable, or unwilling, to do. As former U.S. Representative J.C. Watts told me, Republicans simply “don’t get it” on race. And the notion of mind-control just doesn’t wash. ...

    I think your points are worth reflecting on. The problem Republicans have with minorities is there is a far right group that the mainstream candidates do not want to offend because it is about getting votes. But in practice, Republican politicians have demonstrated an openness. In the Bush administration, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Alberto Gonzales, right, to be the first Hispanic to hold one of the powerful "big four" Cabinet jobs. Plus a number of women: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-12-09-diverse-usat_x.htm
    Seems the diversity the Republicans practice in office is drowned out by partisan politics. I don't suppose RJ members think too highly of this organization:
    http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main&
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    Dec 03, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidI think he did far more for comedy than he did for conservatism. icon_biggrin.gif I don't think having a punch-line on the podium did anymore for the right than having Kerry smeared a couple of elections ago did for the left. icon_neutral.gif If anything, the revolving door of Republican 'front runners' just makes this year's ticket look even more like the Keystone Kops (a remarkable feat, considering. icon_eek.gif ) ...

    Might seem that way to some of you in Canada. Is that the general spin from CBC, CTV, and Global, eh? What it is really doing, especially the debates is: 1) Having serious discussions on the issues, 2) Getting the liberal media and spin sites the chance to dig up all the dirt now, so it will be old news next year, 3) Giving the candidates a chance to refine their positions, and 4) Motivating us big time to go against Obama.
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    Dec 03, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 saidI think he did far more for comedy than he did for conservatism. icon_biggrin.gif I don't think having a punch-line on the podium did anymore for the right than having Kerry smeared a couple of elections ago did for the left. icon_neutral.gif If anything, the revolving door of Republican 'front runners' just makes this year's ticket look even more like the Keystone Kops (a remarkable feat, considering. icon_eek.gif ) ...

    Might seem that way to some of you in Canada. Is that the general spin from CBC, CTV, and Global, eh? What it is really doing, especially the debates is: 1) Having serious discussions on the issues, 2) Getting the liberal media and spin sites the chance to dig up all the dirt now, so it will be old news next year, 3) Giving the candidates a chance to refine their positions, and 4) Motivating us big time to go against Obama.


    Which debate had a serious discussion of the issues? I've watched most of them and it's all the same talking points pushing failed policies.

    The Republican debates have been a black eye on the American political system, rightly making us a laughing stock.
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    Dec 03, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 saidI think he did far more for comedy than he did for conservatism. icon_biggrin.gif I don't think having a punch-line on the podium did anymore for the right than having Kerry smeared a couple of elections ago did for the left. icon_neutral.gif If anything, the revolving door of Republican 'front runners' just makes this year's ticket look even more like the Keystone Kops (a remarkable feat, considering. icon_eek.gif ) ...

    Might seem that way to some of you in Canada. Is that the general spin from CBC, CTV, and Global, eh? What it is really doing, especially the debates is: 1) Having serious discussions on the issues, 2) Getting the liberal media and spin sites the chance to dig up all the dirt now, so it will be old news next year, 3) Giving the candidates a chance to refine their positions, and 4) Motivating us big time to go against Obama.

    Which debate had a serious discussion of the issues? I've watched most of them and it's all the same talking points pushing failed policies.

    The Republican debates have been a black eye on the American political system, rightly making us a laughing stock.

    Did the substantive discussions really go over your head?
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    Dec 03, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
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    socalfitness said
    yourname2000 saidI think he did far more for comedy than he did for conservatism. icon_biggrin.gif I don't think having a punch-line on the podium did anymore for the right than having Kerry smeared a couple of elections ago did for the left. icon_neutral.gif If anything, the revolving door of Republican 'front runners' just makes this year's ticket look even more like the Keystone Kops (a remarkable feat, considering. icon_eek.gif ) ...

    Might seem that way to some of you in Canada. Is that the general spin from CBC, CTV, and Global, eh? What it is really doing, especially the debates is: 1) Having serious discussions on the issues, 2) Getting the liberal media and spin sites the chance to dig up all the dirt now, so it will be old news next year, 3) Giving the candidates a chance to refine their positions, and 4) Motivating us big time to go against Obama.

    Which debate had a serious discussion of the issues? I've watched most of them and it's all the same talking points pushing failed policies.

    The Republican debates have been a black eye on the American political system, rightly making us a laughing stock.

    Did the substantive discussions really go over your head?


    There haven't been any. The debates have been:

    "My flat tax idea will make poor people suffer more than yours."

    "I believe in Creationism."

    "I will suck Koch better than you."

    "Obama [insert entirely made up issue that will be debunked by Politifact before I finish saying it]."

    "I want a strong military though I don't understand geopolitics and [insert factually incorrect reference to Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, etc.]"

    And so on...

    I will make for awesome anti-Republican campaign ads though, so I say "keep it up!"
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    Dec 03, 2011 11:23 PM GMT
    I think the one of the biggest things Cain did for conservatives was offering a helping of charisma to the debates (which were argumentative and stiff). However, the accusations sucked the energy out of him and without his greatest strength, he was forced to bow out.

    The second big thing Cain did for the conservative movement is allow Newt and Romney start to really cement their positions as frontrunners.
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    Dec 03, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    All the moral opprobrium about Cain's alleged affairs is a little too cute, don't you think? Especially considering just how much of an awesome pimp a certain Arkansas ex-president is for being such a "ladies man".
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    Dec 04, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/12/03/gop-candidates-react-cain-campaign-suspension

    GOP Candidates React to Cain Campaign Suspension

    Some 2012 GOP presidential candidates were quick to react to the announcement from Atlanta businessman Herman Cain that he his suspending his campaign. Here is a look at their statements.

    "Herman Cain provided an important voice to this process. His ideas and energy generated tremendous enthusiasm for the conservative movement at a time it was so desperately needed to restore confidence in our country. I wish Herman, his wife Gloria, and his family all the best."
    -- Rep. Michele Bachmann

    "Herman Cain's 999 plan got our country talking about the critical issue of tax reform and he elevated the dialogue of the primary. I am proud to know Herman Cain and consider him a friend and I know he will continue to be a powerful voice for years to come."
    -- Newt Gingrich

    "Herman Cain offered a unique and valuable voice to the debate over how to reform our country's uncompetitive tax code and turn around the economy. I understand his decision and wish him and his family the best."
    -- Jon Huntsman

    "I know this was a difficult decision for Herman Cain, his family and his supporters. He helped invigorate conservative voters and our nation with a discussion of major tax reform. Anita and I wish him and his entire family all the best."
    -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry

    "I have no doubt Herman Cain will remain a significant voice in the dialogue about the many important issues we face. His rejection of business-as-usual in Washington has been a valuable part of this campaign, and clearly resonates with a great many Americans. I wish him the best."
    -- Gary Johnson

    Herman's campaign was one of ideas. His decision was based on what is best for him and his family. We wish Herman and Gloria the best.
    -- Mitt Romney

    Herman Cain brought energy and enthusiasm to the Republican nominating process, as well as a unique perspective on many domestic issues important to voters such as tax code reform and a pro-growth agenda favorable to the private sector. In light of his suspension of campaign activities, I want to wish Herman success in his future endeavors.
    -- Rep. Ron Paul
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    Dec 04, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    There haven't been any. The debates have been:
    "My flat tax idea will make poor people suffer more than yours."
    "I believe in Creationism."
    "I will suck Koch better than you."
    "Obama [insert entirely made up issue that will be debunked by Politifact before I finish saying it]."
    "I want a strong military though I don't understand geopolitics and [insert factually incorrect reference to Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, etc.]"

    And so on...

    I will make for awesome anti-Republican campaign ads though, so I say "keep it up!"

    You forgot: "99 climate scientists believe global climate change is man-made and real; but we have one who does not. Therefore it's a liberal hoax."


    And don't forget Ubeki-beki-beki-stan.icon_lol.gif

    Classic know-nothingism.
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    Dec 04, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidAnd don't forget Ubeki-beki-beki-stan.icon_lol.gif

    Classic know-nothingism.

    Very valid point, and partly because of that he won't be the nominee. But who again was that total fool who talked about the "reset" of relations with the Russians? The Russians who won't support Iran sanctions and plan to deploy missiles. I'm sure the advisors suggested otherwise, but the combination of ignorance, arrogance, and naiveté prevented him from listening. Would have been better had Cain been in that spot; at least he would have listened to advisors. Better someone not knowledgeable than a total fool.
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    Dec 04, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidAll the moral opprobrium about Cain's alleged affairs is a little too cute, don't you think? Especially considering just how much of an awesome pimp a certain Arkansas ex-president is for being such a "ladies man".


    There is one alleged affair for Cain and two women who were paid hush money to keep quiet about their sexual harassment charges, including one whose story is much closer to sexual assault than what we would normally consider harassment.

    Clinton's affairs where consensual and the two accusers who alleged harassment were later found to not be credible. Perhaps that will happen to Cain's accusers but it hasn't yet.

    Beyond that, Cain's "ideas" were ludicrous.
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    Dec 04, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
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    He has demonstrated that conservatives will support a black man. The continued charges from the left that conservatives are racist has been soundly disproved. Of course, they try and marginalize this by calling him a token or Uncle Tom, but that demonstrates the racial antagonism comes from the hard left.



    Wasn't that the point anyway? These two quotes sum up my thoughts:

    For too long, conservatives have blamed Black leaders for Republican failures with Black voters. Herman Cain’s view suggests that looking inward is something the Republicans are unable, or unwilling, to do. As former U.S. Representative J.C. Watts told me, Republicans simply “don’t get it” on race. And the notion of mind-control just doesn’t wash.

    This, of course, ignores decades of conservative political symbols and policies that have demonized African Americans, undermined Black progress, and repressed Black political participation. It ignores the hostility in some corners of today’s Republican Party toward African Americans. From dismantling federal civil rights enforcement to opposing or vetoing civil rights legislation and from racist incarceration policies to “welfare queens” and from economic policies that encourage the movement overseas of blue collar jobs to opposing increases in the minimum wage, conservatives have almost always been on the other side of the street from Black people. This is not brainwashing. It is an honest assessment of an ideology, practiced by a political party, that is antithetical to the interests of most African Americans.


    http://www.michaelfauntroy.com/site/index.php/site/comments/herman_cains_and_the_gops_confusion_about_black_voters/

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    In a way, Herman Cain is a genius: By saying he is a "real black man" with whom Obama would rather not box, Cain has successfully incepted the American public. What better way to prove that Republicans don't have a problem with Obama's skin color than to support someone with an even darker one?

    Herman Cain is blacker, keeps it realer and is not stupid, and he will never let you forget it. "If Democrats think they were progressive in 2008," muses the GOP, "check us out in 2012 — our black man is ‘real.'"


    I think the point was they will support a black man who is willing to sit in the back of the bus and claim racism doesn't exist.

    Can we also not forget that Herman "I would absolutely not have a Muslim in my administration" Cain is a fucking bigot? The enemy of my enemy is my friend in their eyes.
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    Dec 04, 2011 2:12 AM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI think the point was they will support a black man who is willing to sit in the back of the bus and claim racism doesn't exist.

    Winners are so threatening to losers.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI think the point was they will support a black man who is willing to sit in the back of the bus and claim racism doesn't exist.

    Winners are so threatening to losers.

    Missing the 'winning' part...was that the sexual harrassment and buying those women off; or the 13 year affair against his wife; or his superb grasp of world politics (Ubeki-beki-beki-stan); or the fact that he dropped out? icon_wink.gif

    Personally, I'd say the dropping out was the "winning-est" thing he's done so far...alas, because of it, he'll do no more ---is that still being a "winner". icon_razz.gif If so, I sure hope to see a lot more "winning" from the right side of the aisle, lol. icon_biggrin.gif

    He came from a modest background and became CEO of a company. What have you accomplished?
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    Dec 04, 2011 3:01 AM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI think the point was they will support a black man who is willing to sit in the back of the bus and claim racism doesn't exist.

    Winners are so threatening to losers.

    Missing the 'winning' part...was that the sexual harrassment and buying those women off; or the 13 year affair against his wife; or his superb grasp of world politics (Ubeki-beki-beki-stan); or the fact that he dropped out? icon_wink.gif

    Personally, I'd say the dropping out was the "winning-est" thing he's done so far...alas, because of it, he'll do no more ---is that still being a "winner". icon_razz.gif If so, I sure hope to see a lot more "winning" from the right side of the aisle, lol. icon_biggrin.gif

    He came from a modest background and became CEO of a company. What have you accomplished?

    Dont try to convince them of anything, SoCal. He doesnt not fit the mold the Democrats have made for them.
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    Dec 04, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    JP85257 saidDont try to convince them of anything, SoCal. He doesnt not fit the mold the Democrats have made for them.

    You are right, of course. Others and I mainly post so that guys who choose to not be involved in this cesspool know there are guys on RJ who do not support radical left governments. I get and I'm sure others do as well emails from guys thanking us for showing they are not alone. It is, however, hard to resist toying with these libs, but the time is really better spent getting ready for the internet based activity to rid the country of the socialists for another generation.
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    Dec 04, 2011 3:21 AM GMT
    At this point, most partisan politics in this country are a cartoonish charade to keep people mystified and bamboozled as government grows ever bigger and more intrusive.

    Dem or GOP, it's all bad news.
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    Dec 04, 2011 3:57 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidLeft an abusive home at 15, put myself through school, but admittedly, I'm only president of my little corp. icon_sad.gif I have managed to keep it in my pants though --although maybe a little too effectively. icon_cry.gif ) I do think I could beat Cain on world events, though. but then it's pretty boring up here, so lots of Canadians track world news...it's not really that special up here to know what's going on around the world. icon_wink.gif

    The man sure beats me on lulz, though. Damn, when he came out with that "all bills under a Cain administration will be no longer than 3 pages" I howled! --pure comedic genius! icon_lol.gif

    We don't yet know to what degree he kept it in his pants, but if he didn't then he has his flaws. My opinion if you overcame adversities, you might be less judgmental of others who did as well, in his case, especially considering the things he did accomplish.