THE COLLAPSE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

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    Dec 04, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    After the recent Cain wreck, anyone but Romney GOP race for prez nomination, and walking hypocrisy with a silver Tiffany's foot in his mouth (called Newt), are we witnessing history- the collapse of the Republican party?
  • commoncoll

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    Dec 04, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    catfish5 saidAfter the recent Cain wreck, anyone but Romney GOP race for prez nomination, and walking hypocrisy with a silver Tiffany's foot in his mouth (called Newt), are we witnessing history- the collapse of the Republican party?

    No. I believe this goes on in every election. Whichever party doesn't have the presidency always has trouble finding a good candidate, except last election where the Democrats had two very good candidates. Remember the Democrats with Bush/Kerry election? And the Republicans haven't had a strong candidate since Reagan.
  • JP85257

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    Dec 04, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    Its called the election process. Weeding out the candidates. Properly vetting them and such.

    If anything I see the Democrats imploding in on themselves.

    You guys are scared of Newt because all of his dirty laundry has been aired since the mid 90's.

    BTW He will mop the floor with Obama in any debate. I prefer "Lincoln/Douglas" type. Moderators just dont know when to STFU.
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    Dec 04, 2011 3:50 AM GMT
    Nah, neither the GOP nor the Dems are going to collapse.

    They are both cancer-ridden balls in the same leprous scrotum that is the Washington Beltway.

    Both of them are working to deprive us of both our money and freedoms quite well, and I think the very future of our nation as a free republic is very much in doubt, particularly when any of us can now be tagged by any jagoff who disagrees with our politics ... and then be packed off to a GULAG somewhere offshore without due process or any of those other nice "rule of law" type things.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2011 5:30 AM GMT
    catfish5 saidAfter the recent Cain wreck, anyone but Romney GOP race for prez nomination, and walking hypocrisy with a silver Tiffany's foot in his mouth (called Newt), are we witnessing history- the collapse of the Republican party?



    No, actually what we are witnessing here is a lot of WISHFUL THINKING on your part. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 04, 2011 6:13 AM GMT
    commoncoll said
    catfish5 saidAfter the recent Cain wreck, anyone but Romney GOP race for prez nomination, and walking hypocrisy with a silver Tiffany's foot in his mouth (called Newt), are we witnessing history- the collapse of the Republican party?

    No. I believe this goes on in every election. Whichever party doesn't have the presidency always has trouble finding a good candidate, except last election where the Democrats had two very good candidates. Remember the Democrats with Bush/Kerry election? And the Republicans haven't had a strong candidate since Reagan.


    Don't forget Bill Clinton, either.
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    Dec 04, 2011 7:08 AM GMT
    jpBITCHva said
    JP85257 said
    BTW He will mop the floor with Obama in any debate.

    Wanna bet?


    Newt will definitely be a more formidable debater than the cavalcade of howler monkeys that define most of the field right up until he's fact checked. icon_lol.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
    commoncoll saidthe Republicans haven't had a strong candidate since Reagan.



    How do you define "strong"? I define it, when you're talking about a candidate, as someone who can actually WIN an election. Since Reagan that would be BUSH 41 for one term, and BUSH 43 for 2 terms. The GOP has several very strong candidates in 2012, and whoever gets the nomination will have a very solid chance to beat Obama -- though that doesn't mean that they will.
  • rnch

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    Dec 04, 2011 11:32 AM GMT
    i am not totally, competely sold on President obama.

    not now, not 4 years ago.


    BUT


    i don't see any better GOP/TEAbagger alternative for election to the Presidency next year!


    "life IS a compromise"


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    Dec 04, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
    This is the normal part of the winnowing process.

    It will make the focus clearer on who the truly viable candidates are.

    I would like to see this bring Huntsman into contention.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2011 2:25 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidThis is the normal part of the winnowing process.

    It will make the focus clearer on who the truly viable candidates are.

    I would like to see this bring Huntsman into contention.



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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Newt will definitely be a more formidable debater than the cavalcade of howler monkeys that define most of the field right up until he's fact checked. icon_lol.gif


    You should probable take note that one of the "cavalcade of howler monkeys" may be your next President, and actually might be a very good one. icon_wink.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 04, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    Well certainly we can hope a collapse would occur based on recent behavior, but
    if the Grinch gets the nomination, I'm sure a step would be made in that direction.
    *chuckles*
  • GQjock

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    Dec 04, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidIts called the election process. Weeding out the candidates. Properly vetting them and such.

    If anything I see the Democrats imploding in on themselves.

    You guys are scared of Newt because all of his dirty laundry has been aired since the mid 90's.

    BTW He will mop the floor with Obama in any debate. I prefer "Lincoln/Douglas" type. Moderators just dont know when to STFU.


    Vetting processes usually don't uncover Sexual Harassment charges and bring up candidates who were brought up on ethics charges and run out of House Speaker jobs

    .... and imploding ?
    Uh look around you man .... there's been an implosion over the last ten years
    and we got covered in the deep sh*t the republicans put us in
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    GQjock said

    .... and imploding ?
    Uh look around you man .... there's been an implosion over the last ten years
    and we got covered in the deep sh*t the republicans put us in



    To be fair, our Government has been imploding on both sides of the aisle for quite some time. We need to fire all the bums and elect some people who can actually sit down at the table and solve some problems, not just talk about them endlessly or pass them off to committees that they never listen to anyway. The American Public is really getting fed-up, not just with Republicans, or just with Democrats, but the whole damn Government. I suspect this will be reflected quite profoundly in 2012 and that there could be a shakeup from the top down.
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    Dec 04, 2011 6:46 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidNah, neither the GOP nor the Dems are going to collapse.

    They are both cancer-ridden balls in the same leprous scrotum that is the Washington Beltway.

    Both of them are working to deprive us of both our money and freedoms quite well, and I think the very future of our nation as a free republic is very much in doubt, particularly when any of us can now be tagged by any jagoff who disagrees with our politics ... and then be packed off to a GULAG somewhere offshore without due process or any of those other nice "rule of law" type things.


    You are sooo right.
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    Dec 04, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock said

    .... and imploding ?
    Uh look around you man .... there's been an implosion over the last ten years
    and we got covered in the deep sh*t the republicans put us in



    To be fair, our Government has been imploding on both sides of the aisle for quite some time. We need to fire all the bums and elect some people who can actually sit down at the table and solve some problems, not just talk about them endlessly or pass them off to committees that they never listen to anyway. The American Public is really getting fed-up, not just with Republicans, or just with Democrats, but the whole damn Government. I suspect this will be reflected quite profoundly in 2012 and that there could be a shakeup from the top down.


    Yeah, like with the passage (and likely signature from President Obama) of Senate Bill 1867.

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    Though in fairness, it has yet to be reconciled with the House version of the bill, though I highly doubt that the bits about setting the US military to indefinitely detain and torture US citizens will be removed.
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    Dec 04, 2011 11:48 PM GMT
    No. The republicans are saving their big fish for 2016 and 2020... Christie, Daniels, JEB.

    I've even heard that some Republicans secretly want Obama to win next year over fear that if Romney won he would damage the reputation of the Republican party--they would rather come out strong in 2016 with Chris Christie than have someone weak like Romney win next year.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
    GOP should have collapsed years ago, but look at the support system holding it up.

    1. Diebold electronic voting machines are hacked in every election. Diebold is a major GOP supporter.
    2. Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people, allowing unlimited money into campaigns.
    3. Right wing echo chamber spreads lies, propaganda, non-news and other forms of deception.

    The GOP is on the losing side of every major issue...abortion, gay rights, climate change, regulating wall street, tax increases on millionaires, etc...yet they keep on winning elections.

    The rational republicans like Huntsman, Colman and Ron Paul won't dance on the end of a string..so they go nowhere. The winners are power hungry halfwits and sociopaths like Newt, Bachmann, Perry, Romney and others...willing to dance on the string for a shot at the big chair.
  • rioriz

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    Dec 05, 2011 3:15 AM GMT
    I often wonder when supporters of both sides will admit, just a little, they would prefer a socialist/communist gov't. Obviously you would if you want 1/2 of our political system to fall. Of course no that is not the case, maybe if the other side will just conform to the views of the side you currently sit on.

    Fact is the two party system works to represent a good part of the population. I will edit the post when i have time, but polls have showed more people (on the phone in closed doors where no one can flame them) consider themselves more conservative than liberal or Republicans. Being more Progressive is "ok" in our society today and you are not pushed to "explain" your support of liberal ideas as many conservative supporters are.

    Again, minorities are, and I will stand firmly behind this, are some of the most conservative people in this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are looking for support for gay issues then look elsewhere than a good portion of African Americans/Hispanics. Flame on but I personally experience both sides and even the Prop 8 vote showed the evidence AA voted greatly against gay marriage.

    Fiscally/world view conservative for me and Liberally social...it can happen and does more often than some would like to admit
  • rioriz

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    Dec 05, 2011 3:17 AM GMT
    rnch saidi am not totally, competely sold on President obama.

    not now, not 4 years ago.


    BUT


    i don't see any better GOP/TEAbagger alternative for election to the Presidency next year!


    "life IS a compromise"


    icon_idea.gif


    I think a Republican Congress and Dem Pres will get much more done and vice versa...checks and balances
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    Dec 05, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    rioriz said
    rnch saidi am not totally, competely sold on President obama.

    not now, not 4 years ago.


    BUT


    i don't see any better GOP/TEAbagger alternative for election to the Presidency next year!


    "life IS a compromise"


    icon_idea.gif


    I think a Republican Congress and Dem Pres will get much more done and vice versa...checks and balances
    How that working for ya in Tenn?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 05, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    rioriz said
    rnch saidi am not totally, competely sold on President obama.

    not now, not 4 years ago.


    BUT


    i don't see any better GOP/TEAbagger alternative for election to the Presidency next year!


    "life IS a compromise"


    icon_idea.gif


    I think a Republican Congress and Dem Pres will get much more done and vice versa...checks and balances
    How that working for ya in Tenn?



    How did Democrats having The White House and both the Senate and House work for ya?
  • tazzari

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    Dec 05, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/opinion/send-in-the-clueless.html?ref=opinion
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 05, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
    It is too bad that the democrats in the White House and in the Senate cannot boast of another major accomplishment, permanently locking up ol' jpBITCHva in the psychiatric ward.