GUTS on guys at the gym: I don't get it!

  • bigguysf

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    Jun 08, 2008 5:42 AM GMT
    I'm not sure if it's the same in other cities, but here in SF at Golds Brannon I have noticed that guys having guts is the norm. And many of them have gotten bigger over the past few years. Do their mirrors only focus on the chest, shoulders, and arms, and not show the big beach ball belly?
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    Jun 08, 2008 7:28 AM GMT
    I don't know whether this is true but if you are taking steroids then apparently in some men their body redistributes some of their body fat to under their abs thus pushing them out. Don't know whether there is any truth to this.

    They could also be on HIV meds, a side effect of which can mean fat being redistributed onto the tummy.

    Or, a more simpler explanation, they're consuming too many calories in the form of beer and it's going straight to their gut.
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    Jun 08, 2008 7:50 AM GMT
    Mabee stress hormones such as cortisol, or their body may produce more estrogen than the average male...my suggestion would be a good endocrinologisticon_smile.gif
  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2008 10:04 AM GMT
    There's a few things that you might be seeing

    The beer guts that you see on guys at the gym might just be that
    Out of shape fat guys going to the gym
    but it also can be something called hepatomegaly
    or liver over-growth
    the meds that are used to combat HIV and to some extent even steroids can cause this
  • bigguysf

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    Jun 08, 2008 1:15 PM GMT
    Sorry guys, I should have clarified that the guts I see for the most part are not the result of HIV meds. I can definitely tell the difference.
    I think it's probably what muchmorethanmuscle says: the belly bear thing. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:36 PM GMT
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    HGH Use? Doesn't that expand the belly through growth of internal organs thus giving the muscular belly look (aka the beach ball 6 pack)?

    Thoughts? Anyone Care? Really?

    I guess the more important is that if he had a muscle gut would you kick him out of bed...

    Would you want to be kicked out of bed? I mean it IS muscle right?

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    Jun 08, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    bigguysf saidSorry guys, I should have clarified that the guts I see for the most part are not the result of HIV meds. I can definitely tell the difference.
    I think it's probably what muchmorethanmuscle says: the belly bear thing. icon_wink.gif


    Please! You don't want people without perfect physiques working out at your gym. Until someone here mentioned possible reasons, the reasons were of little interest to you.
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:52 PM GMT
    "Pot bellies" or "Beer bellies" are usually due to chronic stress in one's life (or the injection of steroids as mentioned by redheadedguy above).

    The body has 3 kinds of fat:

    fat in the blood - triglycerides

    fat under the skin - subcutaneous

    and fat the consistency of cream stored in the Omentum.

    The Omentum in its unengorged state is like a fine nylon netting draped below the stomach and under the abdominal muscles.

    In its engorged state, the Omentum is a swollen sack of creamy fat that is rapidly available to the liver via the Portal vein.

    When one is stressed, the body produces the steroid Cortisol. For short term, acute stress, this steroid is in the blood only briefly. But for long term stress, the steroid is constantly pumped into the blood stream.

    The Omentum sucks up Cortisol from the blood and in the process becomes supercharged to store fat. The Omentum will become engorged and swell to the point that it distends the abdomen and even pushes the other organs out of the way. (It also causes various physiological problems, but we are only addressing the belly appearance right now.)

    Interestingly, since the Omentum is beneath the abdomenal muscles, a guy can have a "beer belly" and still feel rock hard.

    In a case like this, the person has to address the stress in his life before he will be able to shed much weight.

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    Jun 08, 2008 1:53 PM GMT
    It seems there are a lot of guys that strive for the hypertrophy of select muscle groups but let the rest go. A proportional, fit guy is much more attractive in my opinion.
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:55 PM GMT
    hey some people thinks it is hot LOL.
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:56 PM GMT
    umm it's called steroids lol
    and hypertrophy of just the chest and arms LOL

  • bigguysf

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    Jun 08, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    I guess maybe I'm a bit naive, and that there is much more rampant steroid use at the gym than I thought.

    And to the reply above I don't think that the gym is for people with perfect bodies at all. That's where people go to hopefully keep themselves fit, have a social experience, and maybe even improve their body conditioning. It's just a little odd to see guys get more out of shape with each year.

    But I guess if that's their choice it's all good. And hopefully it won't have an adverse affect on their health in the coming years.
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    Jun 08, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    Caslon4000 said"Pot bellies" or "Beer bellies" are usually due to chronic stress in one's life (or the injection of steroids as mentioned by redheadedguy above).

    The body has 3 kinds of fat:

    fat in the blood - triglycerides

    fat under the skin - subcutaneous

    and fat the consistency of cream stored in the Omentum.

    The Omentum in its unengorged state is like a fine nylon netting draped below the stomach and under the abdominal muscles.

    In its engorged state, the Omentum is a swollen sack of creamy fat that is rapidly available to the liver via the Portal vein.

    When one is stressed, the body produces the steroid Cortisol. For short term, acute stress, this steroid is in the blood only briefly. But for long term stress, the steroid is constantly pumped into the blood stream.

    The Omentum sucks up Cortisol from the blood and in the process becomes supercharged to store fat. The Omentum will become engorged and swell to the point that it distends the abdomen and even pushes the other organs out of the way. (It also causes various physiological problems, but we are only addressing the belly appearance right now.)

    Interestingly, since the Omentum is beneath the abdomenal muscles, a guy can have a "beer belly" and still feel rock hard.

    In a case like this, the person has to address the stress in his life before he will be able to shed much weight.



    Maybe these guys are working out too long, their body's producing more cortisol in reaction.
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    Jun 08, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    Maverick75 said
    Maybe these guys are working out too long, their body's producing more cortisol in reaction.

    No, working out "too long" doesnt trigger this.
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    Jun 08, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    I HATE to say this, however THAT particular gym does have a lot of "older" Gays that work out there that are positive and their Meds along with steroids give them that "gut" and it's very typical for that sort of build with the combination of Meds and protein and what not...
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    Jun 08, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    bigguysf saidSorry guys, I should have clarified that the guts I see for the most part are not the result of HIV meds. I can definitely tell the difference.
    I think it's probably what muchmorethanmuscle says: the belly bear thing. icon_wink.gif



    I should have read this before my 1st response, Ooops! But being a "Bear" here in SF is apparently a good thing... icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 08, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    Why does it matter? Do you go to the gym to watch an adonis parade or to build and refine your own physique? Perhaps we should applaud these guys for taking the initiative to work out vs. vegetating at home in front of the boob tube.

    Let's also not forget that there are multiple body types, out there. Endomorphic types, especially, have a much harder time staying lean and maintaining a low body fat percentage. These guys tend to do better on low carb diets w/several small meals throughout the day. These guys can pack on muscle, but the muscle tends to be marbled w/fat.

    Andropause also has the effect of lowering metabolism. Endocrinologists are often reticent to prescribe testosterone therapy for men with mediocre testosterone levels, so it's kind of a catch-22.
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    Jun 08, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    ruck_us saidWhy does it matter? Do you go to the gym to watch an adonis parade or to build and refine your own physique? Perhaps we should applaud these guys for taking the initiative to work out vs. vegetating at home in front of the boob tube.

    Let's also not forget that there are multiple body types, out there. Endomorphic types, especially, have a much harder time staying lean and maintaining a low body fat percentage.


    Thank you for pointing out what I was going to add. I can't speak for the guys at gyms in SF, but where I work out here in Portland we have a wide variety of body shapes. And regardless of what I think of anyone's given shape at any given time, I have to give them credit for being in the gym to make changes.

    Heaven knows I'm not one of the ultra-lean buff studs that so many guys seem to only want to have show up at the gym. I'm one of those Endomorphic types, glad to have muscle mass go on fast but fighting to keep body fat lower. I do my cardio.

    I've lost over 50 pounds in the last year because I don't give a shit about what anybody thinks of my condition except me and my trainer. I'm a work in progress and if I only showed up at the gym when I was in perfect shape I'd never be where I am now.

    And speaking to another point in this thread, astonishing as it may seem to some guys there are bear fans who think that belly is pretty sexy. 50 pounds ago I was rejected by a guy that would make most men here drool and because my belly wasn't big enough.

    G.B. Shaw said it best. "Do not do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same as yours."
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    Jun 08, 2008 6:09 PM GMT

    mmmmmmm, I like the best of both worlds!!
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    Jun 08, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    I personally don't assume that someone that goes to the gym is in great shape. Part of the formula for losing weight and getting fit is what is a person's diet. If he/she has a high calorie input then they will likely gain weight despite trips to the gym.
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    Jun 08, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    What Caslon4000 and muchmorethanmuscle said basically is the answer to this question.

    I've noticed for a long time that ripped guys with big guts (even with pronounced abdominal muscles) seemed to be a feature of the steroid crowd. Thanks, Caslon4000 and muchmorethanmuscle for clarifying the two mechanisms that bring this about.

    Some of the posters who were addressing the issue of out-of-shape guys perhaps were presuming the OP was referring to that other issue.
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    Jun 08, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    I remember when Dr. Oz had that omentum on Orpah's show and after icon_eek.gif :barf:...I just thought...if you see this, how can you NOT want to go run 5 miles?!?!?!?!?

    And staying on topic...cardio should be the friend of more than it is.
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    Jun 08, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    RunintheCity saidI remember when Dr. Oz had that omentum on Orpah's show and after icon_eek.gif :barf:...I just thought...if you see this, how can you NOT want to go run 5 miles?!?!?!?!?

    And staying on topic...cardio should be the friend of more than it is.

    Yeah, but that's too much of a generalization. I was a long-distance runner for ~12 years until injuries curtailed my running career. During that time, I typically carried a higher bodyfat percentage as a runner than I do now as a weight trainer. Too much cardio can actually spur your body to defensively store more fat. If you have a small-to-medium frame and you have an ecto or mesomorphic body type, sure, intense cardio is your friend. Endos tend to do better with sustained, moderate intensity cardio workouts. The BFL folks generally recommend 20-minute interval cardio sessions, and in my experience, that approach is more effective at maintaining lean mass than running 20-30 miles a week.
  • Timbales

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    Jun 08, 2008 10:05 PM GMT
    If I'm not mistaken, men who powerlift do need to have some excess fat on them.
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    Jun 09, 2008 7:05 AM GMT
    Caslon4000 said"Pot bellies" or "Beer bellies" are usually due to chronic stress in one's life (or the injection of steroids as mentioned by redheadedguy above).

    The body has 3 kinds of fat:

    fat in the blood - triglycerides

    fat under the skin - subcutaneous

    and fat the consistency of cream stored in the Omentum.

    The Omentum in its unengorged state is like a fine nylon netting draped below the stomach and under the abdominal muscles.

    In its engorged state, the Omentum is a swollen sack of creamy fat that is rapidly available to the liver via the Portal vein.

    When one is stressed, the body produces the steroid Cortisol. For short term, acute stress, this steroid is in the blood only briefly. But for long term stress, the steroid is constantly pumped into the blood stream.

    The Omentum sucks up Cortisol from the blood and in the process becomes supercharged to store fat. The Omentum will become engorged and swell to the point that it distends the abdomen and even pushes the other organs out of the way. (It also causes various physiological problems, but we are only addressing the belly appearance right now.)

    Interestingly, since the Omentum is beneath the abdomenal muscles, a guy can have a "beer belly" and still feel rock hard.

    In a case like this, the person has to address the stress in his life before he will be able to shed much weight.



    thanks for the info Caslon, very informative indeed, though a bit troubling, considering that the men in my family are genetically disposed in aquiring more fat in the abdominal area than any other area(unless they pay close attention to diet&exercise)so if all else fails and one is not able to "manage their stress", then i suppose lyposuction is in order?icon_question.gif)....luckily i dont have that prob, but mother nature and father time doesn't wait for anyoneicon_wink.gif