TIME TO GET SERIOUS: Time to Support Senator Obama

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 08, 2008 6:52 AM GMT
    So the general election campaign has started. We have the option of voting for the democratic candidate, Senator Barak Obama or the republican candidate, Senator John McCain.

    As you all know, I am a passionate supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton. I think she's talented, experienced, what we need and should have been President. But Hillary not going to be the candidate, its going to be Obama.

    I've seen many of you upset about the departure of Hillary, or just don't like Obama, I would encourage each of you to give Obama a chance. Don't make your decision to vote for him based on him, think about the implications of voting for the republican candidate and
    how BADLY WE MUST HAVE CHANGE FROM THE DISASTER WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THIS MOMENT.

    Let me also say I like Senator McCain personally. He
    is an excellent leader, has shown he can (not always) votes with conviction, is a good man... but not a good choice for this country. We will either have 4 more years of Bush policies (which have been the worst in my lifetime) or if he governs as a maverick, we will have a "war" with the "right wing" who already don't think much of the man. Can you imagine what will happen if McCain is elected and the democrats pick up a few more seats in the senate (and exceed 60?). You think we have had devisive government now?? I think we haven't seen anything yet.

    As far as Obama, I would encourage you NOT to do the "hold your nose and vote for him come November".
    I do believe Obama will take the country in a new, reasoned direction. While I may feel he doesn't have the experience at this moment, he may surprise us with his diligence. He will act as most democrats would and
    (thank god) with emphasis on social criteria, education and the environment.

    Take the time to learn about Obama, what he wants to do and make your vote count in November. For you Republicans, while I disagree with your views, I do think participation is what this country is all about and I applaud you for your convictions..... I just hope Obama wins now... and is our next President.

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    Jun 08, 2008 7:06 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan, knowing how much you supported Hillary's campaign, I have a lot of admiration for you having turned your support to Obama. Today I read Hillary's historic speach, and her commitment to Obama's candadacy, so with that I don't think you'll regret your decision. In light of our choices I don't think we could do otherwise, and I honestly believe that Obama will come up to the task at hand, and has the good sense to rely on the experience of Hillary, her husband, and many others of wide experience separately, and also those who worked with them both through the years. GOOD TOPIC !!!!!!
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    Jun 08, 2008 8:09 AM GMT
    At the start of the primary Obama was not my first, or even my second choice among the candidates. And when this primary started I knew that come November I would vote for any of the Democrats over any of the Republicans.. well, maybe not Gravel.

    Now that we have our candidate I hope we each put our support behind him with a focus on the Presidency and not a long gone primary.

    Thanks Kansan.
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    Jun 08, 2008 9:38 AM GMT
    You do realize Sen. Obama is an associate of a domestic terrorist. (Bill Ayers) It was merely a blip on the news.. always too busy making a big deal of Hillary's missteps. Bill Ayers even spoke how he sympathized with the terrorists who killed so many of our fellow Americans and he also said he'd consider bombing again. (Please correct me if I heard him incorrectly) Sen. Obama said he can't be held to account for Mr. Ayers' actions in the 1970's but my question is, what about his association with him since September 11, 2001? He did know hime before 9/11 and still associates with him.

    I, for one, am not voting for Sen. Obama. I'm not so enthusiastic about Sen. McCain although I do believe he will be a fair man. His choice in a Vice President will be a huge factor. If I don't like his choice, I'm voting for the other guy and that doesn't mean Sen. Obama.

    Now, If Hillary is the V.P. choice, I may warm up to Sen. Obama. But that would be fool's hope and assuming he makes serious headway in making a better impression and demonstrates (not simply say) he does have some experience in foreign policy among many other areas.

    Yes, having a black person would be a mile stone in America but that shouldn't be the route chosen for the sake of appearances. Choosing the better candidate is the right thing to do.


  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2008 9:40 AM GMT
    I am glad to see that a Hillary supporter like yourself is coming out and supporting Obama

    It was really scary for me to see some of her supporters coming out and saying that they would be either staying home or voting for John McSame

    John McSame???
    Are you kidding me?
    A man who is light years away from the policies of your candidate?
    A man who has signed on to almost every criminal scheme of George W Bush INCLUDING the use of torture
    (Can you spell F-l-i-p F-l-o-p?)
    and the granting of immunity for wire tapping?

    We NEED to get rid of the republican party for now until they can purge the criminals and nutcases from their party
    We have to elect Barack this time around
    because I knew we were in trouble when we elected Bush but I Never in a million years thought he'd f**k us up this bad
    and John McSame will just continue his legacy
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    Jun 08, 2008 10:21 AM GMT
    You present it as though there are only two options. I know some folks consider a third-party vote as a throw-away vote, but I once heard it said and I must agree that:

    "I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it, than be disappointed that I got something I voted for but didn’t want."
  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2008 11:32 AM GMT
    I understand what you're saying but we ... right now
    have a two party system in this country
    and the odds of you getting something perfect in an imperfect world is slim to say the least

    this is how we got saddled with George W Bush in the first place
    ... Remember someone called Ralph Nader?
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    original714 saidYou present it as though there are only two options. I know some folks consider a third-party vote as a throw-away vote, but I once heard it said and I must agree that:

    "I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it, than be disappointed that I got something I voted for but didn’t want."

    I completely agree. I haven't decided yet whether I'll vote for Obama. I know I won't vote for McCain. Another candidate I'm seriously considering is Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate. As you said, I'd be voting for something I want.

    I wish we could get away from the two party system and start having a multitude of viable candidates. And I think more people in this country hold libertarian ideals than realize it.

    Bob Barr supported the California Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage, by the way.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 08, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    Stigmata saidYou do realize Sen. Obama is an associate of a domestic terrorist. (Bill Ayers)

    I, for one, am not voting for Sen. Obama.

    Now, If Hillary is the V.P. choice, I may warm up to Sen. Obama. But that would be fool's hope and assuming he makes serious headway in making a better impression and demonstrates





    Well lets be reasonable.... and the first statement isn't that... and don't close your mind to Obama, give him a chance.

    Finally, I can appreciate your desire to have Hillary on the ticket, but thats Obama's choice and I'm not going to predicate my support of him based on whether Hillary is on the ticket.
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    Jun 08, 2008 1:47 PM GMT
    And once again, we'll wind up with a Republican in the office for at least four, if not eight, more years.

    The Republicans get behind their candidate and vow to elect him at all cost (whether they agree with him or not). The Democrats, independents, libertarians, and others all squabble with each other and no one agrees on anything.

    I thought there was no way Bush could win a reelection and I was wrong. I don't want to be wrong again and our country cannot take more of the same. We've got to make significant changes.

    Let's get Obama elected and then start making the changes we need to make to improve our country and the way people are elected. Education, health care, ending the war, not starting another war, decreasing our reliance on oil, and improving the environment should be our top priorities. I put education at the top because the U.S. should not have such a high illiteracy rate (21-23% of U.S. adults perform at the lowest literacy level - or 40-44 million).

    I'm about to be unemployed and will have no health insurance (I won't be able to afford the premiums). My boyfriend is self-employed and has no health insurance. My friends are struggling to pay their bills, fill their gas tanks, and buy groceries. I'm voting for change.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 08, 2008 1:59 PM GMT
    original714 saidYou present it as though there are only two options. I know some folks consider a third-party vote as a throw-away vote, but I once heard it said and I must agree that:

    "I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it, than be disappointed that I got something I voted for but didn’t want."



    I can appreciate your position, George, but I would encourage you to evaluate a third party candidate on the basis of what he or she really has to offer vs. what could happen in the alternative.

    Ross Perot did good by helping to elect Clinton, but I think the Nader experience in 2000 was horrific.
    I've often wondered what this world would have been like if we had President Gore instead of this dink we got stuck with.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    In our system a third party candidate always hurts the party that he or she is most closely aligned
    ie: Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in 92 and 2000 respectively
    so unless you think that a third party candidate is actually going to win which is nearly impossible in our current system of gov't
    and you can bitch and moan about how things should change and all but there are some tea leaves in China, you know?
    So voting for a third party candidate is really a vote for the opposition
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    Jun 08, 2008 2:22 PM GMT
    Obama has been excoriated by some because he is educated. Therefore, he is considered out of touch with Americans.

    It's the rural, god-fearing idiots in this country that caused this mess.

    They all believe in small government, except when it comes to their farm subsidies, crop tariffs, or gov't assistance when the wind blows their barn over or the creek rises.

    When you come down to it, they want small gov't when it is someone else requiring help, but big gov't if it is for themselves.

    They think if someone is an uneducated bumpkin that can't speak English and spends his time clearing brush, then he's a genius.

    If we took all the "blue" out of this country, all we would have left is grass!

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 08, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
    lissenup saidAnd once again, we'll wind up with a Republican in the office for at least four, if not eight, more years.


    Let's get Obama elected and then start making the changes we need to make to improve our country




    I agree its been frustrating and the democrats have been behind the Republicans in mud smearing... I don't know know if we want to win that one..... but remember this... Obama will have money to make his case and the scenario with country is a disaster as far as I'm concerned. If we can't win this one, I think the word "pathetic" would be applicable.

    BUT, we must get behind Obama.. and I encourage all to do so.
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Jun 08, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said

    Take the time to learn about Obama, what he wants to do and make your vote count in November. For you Republicans, while I disagree with your views, I do think participation is what this country is all about and I applaud you for your convictions..... I just hope Obama wins now... and is our next President.


    You're a wise man, HndsKansan, thank you for this thread.
  • DCEric

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    Jun 08, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    It seems I may get flamed on here... but I was behind Obama from the beginning. Hillary may be better for gay issues (although that is somewhat debatable), Obama is better on immigration (on H1 visas). I'm one part of a bi-national couple. We don't have time for the slow moving gay civil rights to get through. We need help and need it now.

    If you were for him, or not for him... get with him now (unless you think the country is on the right track and you want McCain, well then do as you must).
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 08, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    Stigmata said, "You do realize Sen. Obama is an associate of a domestic terrorist. (Bill Ayers) It was merely a blip on the news.. always too busy making a big deal of Hillary's missteps. Bill Ayers even spoke how he sympathized with the terrorists who killed so many of our fellow Americans and he also said he'd consider bombing again. (Please correct me if I heard him incorrectly) Sen. Obama said he can't be held to account for Mr. Ayers' actions in the 1970's but my question is, what about his association with him since September 11, 2001? He did know hime before 9/11 and still associates with him.
    I, for one, am not voting for Sen. Obama. I'm not so enthusiastic about Sen. McCain although I do believe he will be a fair man. His choice in a Vice President will be a huge factor. If I don't like his choice, I'm voting for the other guy and that doesn't mean Sen. Obama.
    Now, If Hillary is the V.P. choice, I may warm up to Sen. Obama. But that would be fool's hope and assuming he makes serious headway in making a better impression and demonstrates (not simply say) he does have some experience in foreign policy among many other areas.
    Yes, having a black person would be a mile stone in America but that shouldn't be the route chosen for the sake of appearances. Choosing the[i] better
    candidate is the right thing to do."[/i]

    Yes, you really need to fact check the Ayers link. I've looked it up myself and the accusations are a big stretch. The 9/11 comments are out of context and incorrect. There is no Obama consipracy.

    I wish people were this conspiracy-theorist with Bush before he got in...
  • spinningguy

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    Jun 08, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
    I have been a long time supporter of Hillary's and I will be voting for Obama because of three words (more than any others) "Supreme Court Appointments".

    Besides I am much happier about voting for Obama than I was voting for John Kerry.

    As for Hillary being Vice President I honestly think she should be chosen for the position even though Senator Obama is clearly trying to push her towards Health and Human Services Secretary.

    In my opinion she is the best choice from an electability stand point and had Obama not had to fight for so long and so hard to defeat her she would have been his choice in the first place...because of the delegates and states she can help pick up in a general election.

    Oh well we will see...in the meantime we are keeping CNN in business!!!
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    Jun 08, 2008 7:51 PM GMT
    I will NOT vote for Obama. He lacks experience and surrounds himself with too many questionable people, such as Bill Ayres (domestic terrorist) and religious fanatics (Wright & Pfleger). He talks a good game about uniting the Democratic Party and the nation, but has no problem with associating himself with people who either want to blow up the country or fuel racism through radical black theology.

    No thank you!

    I'll take my chances on John McCain, a true PATRIOT and someone who has experience in national politics and who I believe is someone capable of being Commander-in-Chief.

    I'm just HOPING for either a June, July, August, September, October, or November SURPRISE when the Democrats wake up and realize that Hillary Clinton has a better chance to win in November. If not, I'm already betting on a Hillary Clinton run for the presidency in 2012.

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 08, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    RealAmericanHero saidI will NOT vote for Obama. He lacks experience and surrounds himself with too many questionable people

    No thank you!

    I'll take my chances on John McCain, a true PATRIOT and someone who has experience in national politics and who I believe is someone capable of being Commander-in-Chief.

    I'm just HOPING for either a June, July, August, September, October, or November SURPRISE when the Democrats wake up and realize that Hillary Clinton has a better chance to win in November




    Real, I can understand your feelings about Hillary, we are in agreement about her talents. What I'm encouraging you to do is eliminate individual likes and dislikes and evaluate the big picture. While McCain does himself have greater experience..... will it really help or be more of the same quagmire in Washington? Its time we consider a jolt to Washington and certainly vote for the democratic agenda... reconsider your vote as the months pass.
    Obama may surprise you.
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    Jun 08, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan, Thanks for offering your opinion. I have taken what you said seriously, as I take other's beliefs and views into consideration whenever I make a decision to do something.

    I have decided (actually I have been thinking about this for awhile and incidentally my mother is doing the same) to withdraw my support from the Democratic Party this week and register as an Independent.

    The Democratic Party is in shambles and under the new EDICTS and direction of Obama and continued failed leadership of Howard Dean, I cannot see the party getting its act together anytime soon.

    I am NOT voting for Obama for 2 main reasons:

    1. Character. I don't trust him, he is a chameleon, and associates himself with horrible anti-American and racist people and I simply cannot dismiss it. He is unpatriotic and refused to wear an American flag pin until his people thought he would "pick up votes" if he put it on in certain states.

    2. Lack of Experience. He has virtually NO experience in National Politics (especially foreign policy which is the most important thing for me that this nation is safe) and has been running for president as long as he has been in the U.S. Senate (almost 2 years of campaigning). Voting present in the most corrupt political machine (Chicago) in the United States does not translate into any real experience for me.

    HndsmKansan Again, thanks for presenting your side of the issues. I respect your opinion and beliefs and hope you understand that my choice to support someone other than Obama is not purely based on the fact that I don't like him, but that I made it based upon what I know about his credentials (or lack thereof.)
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 08, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    RealAmericanHero said, "I will NOT vote for Obama. He lacks experience and surrounds himself with too many questionable people, such as Bill Ayres (domestic terrorist) and religious fanatics (Wright & Pfleger). He talks a good game about uniting the Democratic Party and the nation, but has no problem with associating himself with people who either want to blow up the country or fuel racism through radical black theology. No thank you! I'll take my chances on John McCain, a true PATRIOT and someone who has experience in national politics and who I believe is someone capable of being Commander-in-Chief. I'm just HOPING for either a June, July, August, September, October, or November SURPRISE when the Democrats wake up and realize that Hillary Clinton has a better chance to win in November. If not, I'm already betting on a Hillary Clinton run for the presidency in 2012."

    Your logic is seriously flawed. You fear the words of people who have no effect on public policy but you embrace someone who has negatively done so on many levels and is willing to further infringe on American rights. "Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
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    Jun 08, 2008 8:38 PM GMT
    In agreement with previous posts, people thought that Bush had enough experience (over Gore who was VP for 8 years) and he is officially the lowest rated President in US history.
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    Jun 08, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    I like how people assume they are political experts because they have chosen to back a particular candidate. I am a registered demorcrat and, in the past, have voted for democrats and republicans. Now some would say I'm not informed or I'm wasting my vote, or I'm not loyal. To these people, I say 'tough shit'. I vote based on what I think is best for me and people I care most about. I'm not sure for which senator I'll be casting my vote, but I do know that I will have done enough research to make an informed decision as to which candidate better aligns with my morals and expectations. "Not enough experience", "Four more years of Bush", it's all rhetoric. Filter through all the crap and make a good informed decision. Our future depends on it.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    You see... Hndsme this is what we're up against

    People not reading what they need to about the man
    and relying on talking heads to get their information

    A LAPEL PIN?

    How about John McSame's refusal to vote for Jim Webb's Iraq Veteran's Bill
    He’s (John McSame) voted for veterans funding bills only 30% of the time, according to a scorecard of roll-call votes put out by the nonpartisan Disabled Americans for America. Under the same system Obama has a 90% rating —

    .... But - Don't tell me...right, He wears a lapel pin