I don't get gay marriage

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    Dec 05, 2011 7:43 AM GMT
    To anyone entering this thread I do now agree that gays should have equal legal rights as straight in legal relationships but feel free to add your point of view below
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:00 AM GMT
    The movement for gay marriage is about freedom and equal rights. It's not about convincing all gay people to get married. In 2011 if a same sex couple tries to get a marriage license they will be denied. That is why people fight to legalize gay marriage. To end the discrimination.
  • Suetonius

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    Dec 05, 2011 8:07 AM GMT
    Some of us want to have equal rights. We want the right to get married (and all other rights), even if we don't choose to get married. You live in Canada? You already have that right - so don't worry - it's not your problem. You can marry a man if you want to, or stay single and just fuck if that's what you want to do. Those of us in the country to the south of you don't have the same rights to marry as the breeders do. The US government grants recognition to men and women who get married, but does not grant recognition to marriage between two men. We want to be treated the same. Until a few years ago, it was illegal for a black man to marry a white woman in many states in the US, and their marriage was not recognized as valid. They finally got that right to marry. Gay men want the same rights as everyone else in our country.
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:13 AM GMT
    torontoblackboi saidjust fuk and if you wanna live together then live together


    does anyone agree with me?

    Please explain to me your point of view


    Absolutely not...

    I'm from the old school, where a couple living together (shacking up) and no plans to get married raises a brow. (as it pertains to straight couples)

    Getting married is the final emancipation ritual from childhood. Why should we be denied the privilege?

    Suetonius saidYou live in Canada? You already have that right - so don't worry - it's not your problem.


    They make it so fucking hard for Americans to get into their country though icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:14 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSo what happens when one of you gets seriously injured and need the other to make medical decisions for you? Or what if --god forbid-- one of you dies? You have no legal rights in either situation (other than what strangers can assemble.) Tax law....spousal benefits....co-purchases....there are so many rights and responsibilities associated with marriage that we need it and we deserve it. We're not second class in any way. It's ludicrous that in a time of crisis, a disowned parent would have more rights than 10 yr "BF" ---including the right for the parent to say to hospital staff that you are not allowed to visit your partner (and I have seen this happen....it was horrible.)
    oh so the legality of rights then, ok good argument
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:17 AM GMT
    Suetonius saidUntil a few years ago, it was illegal for a black man to marry a white woman in many states in the US, and their marriage was not recognized as valid. They finally got that right to marry. Gay men want the same rights as everyone else in our country.


    Few years ago when? And what states?
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:20 AM GMT
    Stan904 saidThe movement for gay marriage is about freedom and equal rights. It's not about convincing all gay people to get married. In 2011 if a same sex couple tries to get a marriage license they will be denied. That is why people fight to legalize gay marriage. To end the discrimination.

    discrimination? Gay marriage is not accepted because almost every country has bible based belief in their laws. Its not discrimination, you just need to give them reasons to change the law thats all.

    keep in mind its wasn't only till the late 1900's that most english speaking contires accepted gay. to this day buggery is illegal in allot of contires because the laws haven't changed
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:21 AM GMT
    mochamuscle said
    Suetonius saidUntil a few years ago, it was illegal for a black man to marry a white woman in many states in the US, and their marriage was not recognized as valid. They finally got that right to marry. Gay men want the same rights as everyone else in our country.


    Few years ago when? And what states?


    wow the marriage wasn't recognized cause of the difference in skin colour? cool I gotta read about that part of history
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:25 AM GMT
    torontoblackboi said
    Stan904 saidThe movement for gay marriage is about freedom and equal rights. It's not about convincing all gay people to get married. In 2011 if a same sex couple tries to get a marriage license they will be denied. That is why people fight to legalize gay marriage. To end the discrimination.

    discrimination? Gay marriage is not accepted because almost every country has bible based belief in their laws. Its not discrimination, you just need to give them reasons to change the law thats all.

    keep in mind its wasn't only till the late 1900's that most english speaking contires accepted gay. to this day buggery is illegal in allot of contires because the laws haven't changed


    Um.......just because they use the Bible as an argument against it doesn't mean it's not discrimination.
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    Dec 05, 2011 8:27 AM GMT
    ...in 1967 in the Loving v. Virginia case, where the Supreme Court declared anti-miscegenation laws a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

    just studied this in US history class.
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    Dec 05, 2011 11:58 AM GMT
    torontoblackboi said
    mochamuscle said
    Suetonius saidUntil a few years ago, it was illegal for a black man to marry a white woman in many states in the US, and their marriage was not recognized as valid. They finally got that right to marry. Gay men want the same rights as everyone else in our country.


    Few years ago when? And what states?


    wow the marriage wasn't recognized cause of the difference in skin colour? cool I gotta read about that part of history


    You sound like a very stupid person. Very stupid.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
    Obvious troll is Sooo obvious.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:11 PM GMT
    Have u ever gotten to a point in a relationship where u think that person might be the one u want to view the wrld with, See his perspective to challenge your thought process, encourage your being to achieve success and pamper your soul during failure. Growth as individuals as well as a union? A partnership offers all those things and more. A marriage certificate allows the wrld to recognize your choice and commitment and all the benefits our str8 counterparts seem to take for granted. It's that simple.
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
    it's about equality... irrespective of whether you want to get married, you should have that legally recognised choice... not be restricted to some alternative... it's about having gay relationships recognised as equal to straight relationships... no more, no less...
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:40 PM GMT
    torontoblackboi said
    Stan904 saidThe movement for gay marriage is about freedom and equal rights. It's not about convincing all gay people to get married. In 2011 if a same sex couple tries to get a marriage license they will be denied. That is why people fight to legalize gay marriage. To end the discrimination.

    discrimination? Gay marriage is not accepted because almost every country has bible based belief in their laws. Its not discrimination, you just need to give them reasons to change the law thats all.

    keep in mind its wasn't only till the late 1900's that most english speaking contires accepted gay. to this day buggery is illegal in allot of contires because the laws haven't changed


    actually it was only in the 1900's that marriage was defined as between a man and a woman... and that legal precendent was created to prevent polygamy...

    in a truly secular society the church and the bible don't have any weight...

    we are not asking to get married in churches, just for legal recognition of our relationships, equal to the recognition of straight relationships in the eyes of the law... god, church, etc has no bearing!
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    torontoblackboi said
    Stan904 saidThe movement for gay marriage is about freedom and equal rights. It's not about convincing all gay people to get married. In 2011 if a same sex couple tries to get a marriage license they will be denied. That is why people fight to legalize gay marriage. To end the discrimination.

    discrimination? Gay marriage is not accepted because almost every country has bible based belief in their laws. Its not discrimination, you just need to give them reasons to change the law thats all.

    keep in mind its wasn't only till the late 1900's that most english speaking contires accepted gay. to this day buggery is illegal in allot of contires because the laws haven't changed


    It's funny because this is the same excuse people used to deny blacks and women equal rights in America. The idea that a minority group needs to "change" the mind of the majority is not only stupid, it's bigoted, it in away claims that minorities are less than and as such, must prove themselves to their "betters".
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    Dec 05, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
    I'm all for having equal rights and if two guys want to get married then good luck to them.

    I however hate the idea of gay marriage and I personally couldn't think of anything more cringe worthy. It's kinda like the freak show in a way and most that i've seen have been really tacky and tasteless. That and my thoughts on the institution of marriage being stupid/out of date/religious nonsense means you won't see me with a ring on my finger ever.

    The only logical reason I can think of to get married is for financial/legal reasons , thats hardly romantic is it ?
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Dec 05, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
    To the original poster - I hope you will some day enjoy the true love and devotion of another person. If you do find that bond, that you will want to have the legal right to get tax breaks, have the right to inherit retirement benefits, and be able to be that person's legal voice if they become unable to speak for themselves.

    Further, that you would want a formal union with the same rights and status as hetero couples.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    torontoblackboi said
    discrimination? Gay marriage is not accepted because almost every country has bible based belief in their laws. Its not discrimination, you just need to give them reasons to change the law thats all.



    The irony of that is that many/most of the heroes of the Old Testament were polygamous, banging their slave, wife's maid, etc.

    I saw someone on FB quote Herman Cain as being against gay marriage because he's a "Bible man" ... apparently he had those Bible Men like Abraham (7 wives) in mind when he couldn't keep it in his pants.

    And just so everyone is aware, there are church leaders that are fighting for your right to civil marriage, and churches that will perform your wedding in states where it is legal.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidI'm all for having equal rights and if two guys want to get married then good luck to them.

    I however hate the idea of gay marriage and I personally couldn't think of anything more cringe worthy. It's kinda like the freak show in a way and most that i've seen have been really tacky and tasteless. That and my thoughts on the institution of marriage being stupid/out of date/religious nonsense means you won't see me with a ring on my finger ever.

    The only logical reason I can think of to get married is for financial/legal reasons , thats hardly romantic is it ?


    Let's talk about tacky and tasteless marriages that I've seen:

    - A couple who both work at Wal-Mart got married in the store. Both of them rode their Harleys down the center aisle to the preacher.

    - An underwater scuba marriage

    - A marriage ceremony conducted while skydiving

    - A marriage ceremony on roller skates

    - A pirate themed wedding at sea

    All of them were heterosexual couples. Regardless of their questionable taste, they were able to enjoy all of the rights afforded to a married couple immediately after the marriage.

    I'd like to think that another reason to get married is because you love the person and want to commit to building a life with them. That's a very romantic reason.

    I don't wish same sex couples good luck, but rather good health. The thought of being separated from my spouse during a time of critical need, e.g., medical decision making, scares me. At least our lawyer is a close friend who can step in and advocate for us when needed.
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    Dec 05, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    Marriage is an institution created by God way back in the garden of Eden after He made Eve from one of Adams ribs. When Adam saw Eve he said "therefore a man shall leave his father and mothers house and shall be cleaved to his wife and the two shall become one..." Genesis 2:24,
    so man cannot change what he did'nt create
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    Dec 05, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    Courts have consistently ruled that the family of an individual has preference over outsiders. Courts put 'lovers' on the same legal level as complete strangers.

    Wills, Health Care Directives and Powers of Attorney override this preference. But they're easy to contest...and yes, a homophobic and greedy family member can tie this up in court and cost you thousands.

    Contesting a marriage is practically impossible.
  • DCEric

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    Dec 05, 2011 2:06 PM GMT
    ...because we want to live together forever and we have two different passports.

    /Plus filing taxes jointly is fab-u-lous!
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    Dec 05, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    zakesy saidMarriage is an institution created by God way back in the garden of Eden after He made Eve from one of Adams ribs. When Adam saw Eve he said "therefore a man shall leave his father and mothers house and shall be cleaved to his wife and the two shall become one..." Genesis 2:24,
    so man cannot change what he did'nt create



    Hmm...an Old Testament concept written by primitive men who said god told them so.

    So I guess marriages of other religions aren't really marriages then, either. Nor are the marriages of atheists.

    amused,

    -Doug
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    Dec 05, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    zakesy saidMarriage is an institution created by God way back in the garden of Eden after He made Eve from one of Adams ribs. When Adam saw Eve he said "therefore a man shall leave his father and mothers house and shall be cleaved to his wife and the two shall become one..." Genesis 2:24,
    so man cannot change what he did'nt create


    You really believe that crap?