Guns on Campus

  • Latenight30

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    Dec 06, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    I live in Atlanta, but I'm not, at 34yo, a Student at GA State or GA Tech. In the past 4 months, the assaults, rapes, and muggings have gone up. It happens about every other year. Not sure what changes, but something does.
    To give you the lay of the land GA Tech sits right near downtown and for it's growth it has bought up property in less developed areas, but not all of the property. There are a lot of what I like to call Dead Zones. Places that students go to get to their apartments or residence that aren't really on campus proper.
    Digressing, it has been raised that students might need to be allowed to carry guns on campus.
    I think it's an awful idea. I think there are already poor choices being made at that age, with drinking and being outside of their parental units, that allowing them access to weapons is not a solution.
    What are your thoughts?
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    Dec 06, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    Latenight30 saidI live in Atlanta, but I'm not, at 34yo, a Student at GA State or GA Tech. In the past 4 months, the assaults, rapes, and muggings have gone up. It happens about every other year. Not sure what changes, but something does.
    To give you the lay of the land GA Tech sits right near downtown and for it's growth it has bought up property in less developed areas, but not all of the property. There are a lot of what I like to call Dead Zones. Places that students go to get to their apartments or residence that aren't really on campus proper.
    Digressing, it has been raised that students might need to be allowed to carry guns on campus.
    I think it's an awful idea. I think there are already poor choices being made at that age, with drinking and being outside of their parental units, that allowing them access to weapons is not a solution.
    What are your thoughts?


    In states that allow concealed carry, you're generally not eligible/legal until the age of 21. That would disallow most undergrads and would filter out the drunks, druggies, and immature people. These folks should have flunked out by age 21 anyway.

    There have been no issues on campuses that do allow carry, so it probably wouldn't cause problems. The permitting process normally requires FBI background check, training requirements, etc.

    On the other hand, I don't know that there would be any great benefit -- that it would impact the assaults one way or the other.
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    Dec 06, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    As college faculty, it is absolutely clear to me that the carrying of weapons is utterly antithetical to the educational environment. The idea that students would be safer if some subset of them carried weapons is risible.

    Guns + Education = Kent State.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 06, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    The idea of students carrying guns onto campus is all kinds of wrong
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    Dec 06, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAs college faculty, it is absolutely clear to me that the carrying of weapons is utterly antithetical to the educational environment. The idea that students would be safer if some subset of them carried weapons is risible.

    Guns + Education = Kent State.


    Most of the educational establishment reacts to firearms the way a vampire reacts to sunlight. The loathing is palpable. Is this the real objection?

    How is it clear that allowing properly trained & permitted 21+ students to carry is antithetical to a college environment? What risks are incurred? I understand discomfort, but I don't see any realistic dangers. Remember, some universities allow it and haven't had any issues.


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    Dec 06, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAs college faculty, it is absolutely clear to me that the carrying of weapons is utterly antithetical to the educational environment. The idea that students would be safer if some subset of them carried weapons is risible.

    Guns + Education = Kent State.

    Example logically inconsistent with premise. Guns at Kent State carried by guardsmen, not students.
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    Dec 06, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    Anti-gun policies only stop law abiding students from carrying guns to school.
    If the idea goes through, the law abiding students will now be allowed to defend themselves.
  • conservativej...

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    Dec 06, 2011 10:57 PM GMT
    It is a moot point in many ways. For one, you cannot obtain a concealed carry permit unless you are 21 years old.

    Secondly, there is litigation being prepared to challenge the University System concerning weapons (guns) on campus. There is not a single city, county, or state agency that has prevailed in blocking concealed carry from public space. State laws are specific and rigid in this regard.

    I think a better idea is the police force that the Mid-Town Atlanta Business Association that the Mid-Town Atlanta Business Association has agreed to pay for. This force would place officers in Home Park 24/7.
  • JP85257

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    Dec 06, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    An armed society is a polite society.
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    Dec 06, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidAn armed society is a polite society.


    Agreed, plus I feel like guns are an important survival skill. I mean, what if there is a zombie outbreak on the school? The students will be ill prepared!
  • JP85257

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    Dec 06, 2011 11:39 PM GMT
    jpBITCHva saidGuns for everyone! Fuck yeah! Mini-sized AK-47s for toddlers! Automatic repeaters for bridal shower gifts! Pearl-handled .32s for the petite gal in your life! Guns for store owners! Rent-a-cops! Paranoid schizophrenics! Teacher's aides! Shoulder-mounted SAMs !or all registered nurses!

    If Mother Teresa were around today, she'd be packing heat!

    OOO-RAH!!

    My grandmother kept a pearl handled pistol. It was her church gun and stayed in her church purse. She said: "If someone comes in here and starts shooting they better get me before I get them." She was a crack shot and used to hit squirrels from 100 yards.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    jpBITCHva saidGuns for everyone! Fuck yeah! Mini-sized AK-47s for toddlers! Automatic repeaters for bridal shower gifts! Pearl-handled .32s for the petite gal in your life! Guns for store owners! Rent-a-cops! Paranoid schizophrenics! Teacher's aides! Shoulder-mounted SAMs !or all registered nurses!

    If Mother Teresa were around today, she'd be packing heat!

    OOO-RAH!!

    My grandmother kept a pearl handled pistol. It was her church gun and stayed in her church purse. She said: "If someone comes in here and starts shooting they better get me before I get them." She was a crack shot and used to hit squirrels from 100 yards.


    Reminds me of mom. My mother carried a little pearl handle stainless 25 auto. As I grew older I called it her pea gun. :-)

    Mom and dad would disappear to dove and quail hunt in the old-growth long leaf pine. It's still a beautiful place with some 500 year-old pines.
  • tazzari

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    Dec 07, 2011 2:24 AM GMT


    How is it clear that allowing properly trained & permitted 21+ students to carry is antithetical to a college environment? What risks are incurred? I understand discomfort, but I don't see any realistic dangers. Remember, some universities allow it and haven't had any issues.


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    They haven't had a shoot-out yet, either. Look, I grew up around guns, my brother was national champion, I worked for the US team. So guns as such aren't the issue. But proper combat/emergency gun training is highly specialized and needs to be kept up and practiced. Get a bunch of "trained and permitted 21+ students" firing away under pressure and in the confusion of the moment, and you get a blood bath.
    With due respect, it's a BAD idea.
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  • JP85257

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    Dec 07, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    jpBITCHva said
    JP85257 said
    jpBITCHva saidGuns for everyone! Fuck yeah! Mini-sized AK-47s for toddlers! Automatic repeaters for bridal shower gifts! Pearl-handled .32s for the petite gal in your life! Guns for store owners! Rent-a-cops! Paranoid schizophrenics! Teacher's aides! Shoulder-mounted SAMs !or all registered nurses!

    If Mother Teresa were around today, she'd be packing heat!

    OOO-RAH!!

    My grandmother kept a pearl handled pistol. It was her church gun and stayed in her church purse. She said: "If someone comes in here and starts shooting they better get me before I get them." She was a crack shot and used to hit squirrels from 100 yards.

    I was only half kidding, by the way. I like guns.

    It always cracked me up that as she got older her fire power increased until she got a 30.06 with a laser sight on it to kill squirrels. She was arrested at 77 for shooting at Jehova's Witnesses....Because they had been by to many times. There is nothing like bailing your grandmother out of jail at 17 years old and trying to keep a straight face when you say "I am here to bail my granny out."