Pearl Harbour....

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    Dec 07, 2011 6:42 AM GMT
    This is for you Hawai'i.. for Pu'uloa (pearl harbour)... and my respects to the goddess of sharks .. Ka'ahupahau .. for warning us...

    Kumu John tells a story that was related to him by a kupuna (elder) who used to live in the Pu`uloa (pearl harbour) area. She says that one day she was out in the bay fishing with her mother. All of a sudden, a huge 20-foot shark appeared beside the boat and swam backwards and forwards upside down beside the boat. The mother began chanting as soon as she saw the shark for she knew that it was goddess Ka`ahupahau. After the shark left, the mother gave a great “Aue” of sadness, and said that the goddess had told her that a great dying would occur in these waters. Three days later, the Japanese airplanes attacked the base...
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:43 AM GMT
    I'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that...I'm pretty sure sharks can't swim backwards....
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:45 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidI'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that...I'm pretty sure sharks can't swim backwards....


    i read the story at pearl harbour.. you can question what you like lol... I am only the reporter icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:46 AM GMT
    I wasn't questioning it :p

    If anything...it would be truly unique to see a shark swim backwards, thus possibly even validating her story?

    Don't think so negative ^^
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    Dec 07, 2011 7:39 AM GMT
    lol Im not negative, Im neutral.. I dont care mate icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 07, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    Ka'ahupahau is an asshole.

    Why not warn the United States Naval Intelligence instead of a girl and her mother?
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    Dec 07, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidKa'ahupahau is an asshole.

    Why not warn the United States Naval Intelligence instead of a girl and her mother?
    She probably did, but the USNI probably thought it was a freak of nature and harpooned it.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidI'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that...I'm pretty sure sharks can't swim backwards....


    It wasn't a shark, it was a goddess.

    Hey, Moses, I'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that... I'm pretty sure bushes can't burn without being consumed by the flames...

    Tsssss, you ! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidOne of my clearest memories is of the Arizona Memorial which I saw when I was only 3. I'll never forget it.

    Isoroku Yamamoto"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."


    did u see the "tears" coming up? eerie....
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidKa'ahupahau is an asshole.

    Why not warn the United States Naval Intelligence instead of a girl and her mother?

    Well US Army Intelligence ignored the reports of incoming planes, provided by a new radar station they had just activated. We actually had enough warning to react and limit the damage, but didn't. The US is very good at intelligence failures, whether Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

    And BTW, for the OP, it's Pearl Harbor without the "u." That may be correct British spelling for harbour, but when referring to a place name you use the indigenous spelling.
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    I was at the Arizona and there were tons of Japanese tourists. It was an odd juxtaposition


    :rofl

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    Dec 07, 2011 3:15 PM GMT

    "Kumu John tells a story that was related to him by a kupuna (elder) who used to live in the Pu`uloa (pearl harbour) area. She says that one day she was out in the bay fishing with her mother. All of a sudden, a huge 20-foot shark appeared beside the boat and swam backwards and forwards upside down beside the boat. The mother began chanting as soon as she saw the shark for she knew that it was goddess Ka`ahupahau. After the shark left, the mother gave a great “Aue” of sadness, and said that the goddess had told her that a great dying would occur in these waters. Three days later, the Japanese airplanes attacked the base..."


    Had everyone paid attention to this 'message' what would or could they have done?

    The message did not say it would be the Japanese, or even people that would cause the deaths. It could just as well have been a volcano or tsunami.

    Any diety with an ounce of brains would know that obscure, cryptic messages are useless.

    As for the shark, how would anyone determine that a backwards swimming shark meant the Japanese were about to bomb Pearl Harbour? Even the woman witnessing this 'sign' couldn't figure it out.

    It reminds me of some horoscopes.

    "You will have an accident tomorrow."



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    Dec 07, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    Disasterpiece said
    ConfederateGhost saidI'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that...I'm pretty sure sharks can't swim backwards....
    It wasn't a shark, it was a goddess.

    Hey, Moses, I'm not questioning the spiritual validity of your post, but I'd just like to point out that... I'm pretty sure bushed can't burn without being consumed by the flames...

    Tsssss, you ! icon_rolleyes.gif
    Good job, jerk. I come up with the funniest thing ever and it had to be incredibly inappropriate for this thread. Thanks.


    Hm, didn't get that. What's sooo inappropriate with my post ? Butthurt, much ?
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    Disasterpiece saidHm, didn't get that. What's sooo inappropriate with my post ? Butthurt, much ?
    My response to your post is what is inappropriate.


    Fuck I'm confused. What was the response to my post ?
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    It may have been a goddess, but it was also a shark. And bushes can't burn without being consumed by the flames.


    I don't understand what your qualm is?
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidIt may have been a goddess, but it was also a shark. And bushes can't burn without being consumed by the flames.


    I don't understand what your qualm is?


    1. Explaining my post is something I hate to do.

    2. It was a joke, take it easy man.

    3. The simple logic behind my post was based on the idea that if the shark wasn't swimming backwards, there would've been nothing abnormal to it, and therefore, Kumu John wouldn't have thought it would be a goddess and there would've been no story about that.

    Is that clear ?

    If not, I can send you a PDF with details (in 3 chapters) and pictures to facilitate the understanding.

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    Dec 07, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    I'm not sure how I wasn't taking it easy...but okay lol.

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    Dec 07, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    and my birthday......brutal
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    BirthdayBoy saidand my birthday......brutal
    Just think.. if that day didnt happen as it did would you be here? Happy Bday!
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidI'm not sure how I wasn't taking it easy...but okay lol.



    Ugh, I'm sorry, bad morning. I can't understand Trollileo's post and I'm rude. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 07, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidKa'ahupahau is an asshole.

    Why not warn the United States Naval Intelligence instead of a girl and her mother?

    Well US Army Intelligence ignored the reports of incoming planes, provided by a new radar station they had just activated. We actually had enough warning to react and limit the damage, but didn't. The US is very good at intelligence failures, whether Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

    And BTW, for the OP, it's Pearl Harbor without the "u." That may be correct British spelling for harbour, but when referring to a place name you use the indigenous spelling.


    I wanted to say the same thing haha. I work for the British Government well for a few more weeks anyway and in our reports we keep the US spelling for any place names but in description use UK spelling for example "Lincoln Center is a centre for the performing arts." Ok poor example since I work in Life Sciences for the mid-West but the point gets across. You can tell if I'm at work or went to work as my spelling changes throughout the day haha.
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    Dec 07, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidMore to the point, that was certainly a tragedy that changed the world. Without that impetus, would America have entered the war? Would Japan still be ruled by an Emperor? The loss of life that day...the horrible surprise of it all. Usually one would wish that all away, but in hindsight, those were some of the noblest of deaths. Those 2400 who lost their lives that day spurred a nation into action, which saved the world from tyranny. 70 years later (tomorrow), they are solemnly remembered.


    FDR couldn't directly get us into a war with Nazi Germany (though to his (dis)credit, he did work really hard at it)... so he had his State Dept. double down on pissing off Imperial Japan enough that they didn't choose the Northern Strategy (invading the USSR thru the Mongolia-Manchukuo line) to capture the oil resources in the Amur region, and also deny the Soviets access to the Pacific by capturing or bottling up Vladiovostok.

    Our restricting Japanese access to oil and steel from and thru Oceania lead the Japanese to pursue the Southern Stratagey of (attempting to) contain the USN and capture the Philippines/various pacific islands, and knock us out of the war pre-emptively.

    And b extension, involve us in WW2. Hitler's subsequent declaration of war a day or two later was the icing on the cake: FDR got his war in Europe, and could effectively fight a delaying action/harassing action against the Japanese until the war industries were fully spun up.
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    Dec 07, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    I love it when you talk war strategy......makes me excited. Who we gonna invade?


    AlphaTrigger said
    yourname2000 saidMore to the point, that was certainly a tragedy that changed the world. Without that impetus, would America have entered the war? Would Japan still be ruled by an Emperor? The loss of life that day...the horrible surprise of it all. Usually one would wish that all away, but in hindsight, those were some of the noblest of deaths. Those 2400 who lost their lives that day spurred a nation into action, which saved the world from tyranny. 70 years later (tomorrow), they are solemnly remembered.


    FDR couldn't directly get us into a war with Nazi Germany (though to his (dis)credit, he did work really hard at it)... so he had his State Dept. double down on pissing off Imperial Japan enough that they didn't choose the Northern Strategy (invading the USSR thru the Mongolia-Manchukuo line) to capture the oil resources in the Amur region, and also deny the Soviets access to the Pacific by capturing or bottling up Vladiovostok.

    Our restricting Japanese access to oil and steel from and thru Oceania lead the Japanese to pursue the Southern Stratagey of (attempting to) contain the USN and capture the Philippines/various pacific islands, and knock us out of the war pre-emptively.

    And b extension, involve us in WW2. Hitler's subsequent declaration of war a day or two later was the icing on the cake: FDR got his war in Europe, and could effectively fight a delaying action/harassing action against the Japanese until the war industries were fully spun up.