Death of the gay night club?

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    Dec 07, 2011 8:21 AM GMT
    This is a rural "bible belt" area so it might not be like this every where but a local gay bar has been around for 30+ yrs. Its been a staple in the gay community for the roanoke va county & city.

    When it first opened it was open wed, fri, sat, & sun night & packed! A few yrs ago they started closing due to low attendance on wed nights. Now starting january of next yr they will be closed on sunday nights.

    Seems like the attendance isnt like it used to be. Even saturday nights are full of dam straight people, u dont know who the fuck is gay or not anymore, lol. I dont go clubbn anymore but its a little frustrating to see this part of our community dying.
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    Dec 07, 2011 10:38 AM GMT
    Blame the internet. It's both easier and cheaper to use Grindr/Skruff/Whatever to meet guys. One community grows as the other one shrinks.
  • AaronEcstasy

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    Dec 07, 2011 10:46 AM GMT
    Definitely depends on the area. Gay clubs/bars/etc are actually an integral part of gay culture for a lot of men in the areas where they've always been more prevalent, i.e. New York, Miami, San Fran, Boston, etc. I don't think those are going anywhere. But I guess it must suck for all the small-town gays. icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 07, 2011 10:46 AM GMT
    No, gay bars are not dying. There's a new bar here that opened up earlier this year...and it was packed last Friday despite a raging snow storm and get this: people were outside on the patio!

    I notice neighborhood straight bars tend to have a bit longer life. Go to a tiny town and see what I mean. Same old drunk, married dirtbags getting drunk every weekend. Gay bars on the other hand tend to die out over time. Shit, when I lived in Florida there used to be Chrome in Tampa, The Brick in Dallas, Mickeys Dallas, Exit in New York...to name a few. And they are all gone. Then again, places like Twist South Beach, Denver Compound, Parliament House Orlando, Bonham Exchange San Antonio, have been around for years. Why? Because for some odd reason people patronize the most worn out places that don't charge a big cover. They attract both sugar dads and twinks, hip hop boys and preps.

    Bars are like stars: Just call the end the 'hole in the wall'

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    Dec 07, 2011 12:46 PM GMT
    In some areas the purpose clubs serve is wearing away. There never seem to be a shortage of younger college age guys around here but the most common thing I see is guys saying "not into the club scene" or "gay bars are dirty and shady""

    The internet, grindr, and a more progressive atmosphere in general result in less of a need to hit the gay bar. When you can find enough sex on campus or online a gay bar becomes meaningless, just hit the cheaper straight club then grind later.

    Just for CT we have a special case where gay bars are killed by proximity to NYC or Boston. As it becomes easier and cheaper to just hop to those cities for a night it hurts the nightlife here.
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    Dec 07, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
    Blame it on the bitchy drag queens and bubbly/giggly straight girls. They seem to infiltrate small town gay bars and drive off many customers.
  • a303guy

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    Dec 07, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    To the OP, is the bar you're referring to known as 'the Park'?

    I have a vivid memory of that place, since that's where my coming out process started, back in 1993. I never had the balls to walk into that place, getting only as close as driving there, and parking outside for about 15 minutes, getting cold sweats, and driving back home. But I knew at that moment, that I had work to do, and about 3 years later, when I moved to Tampa, FL, the time was finally right...
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    Many (but not all) gay guys go to gay clubs and bars to find a trick/bf/husband/etc. With the proliferation of ubiquitous and often times free online hookup/dating sites, these guys are able to find what they're looking for quickly and without even leaving their homes. In addition, private sex parties are becoming even more popular in the U.S. (they're already very popular in Europe). Thus, gay bars and clubs are becoming passe.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 07, 2011 2:14 PM GMT
    It does seem like trends are changing. Several of the old gay bars here in Wichita are on the way out, so I understand.

    People are drawn to "new" and unique... the same with restaurants. I would assume the key to longevity with a gay bar is a good reputation, visability, consistent position in the community and stable finances. Unfortunately,
    the combination can be difficult to maintain.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    ATC84 said

    The internet, grindr, and a more progressive atmosphere in general result in less of a need to hit the gay bar. When you can find enough sex on campus or online a gay bar becomes meaningless, just hit the cheaper straight club then grind later.

    Just for CT we have a special case where gay bars are killed by proximity to NYC or Boston. As it becomes easier and cheaper to just hop to those cities for a night it hurts the nightlife here.


    Easier and cheaper? Not from NJ; toll is up to $12.

    NYC doesn't have the big dance clubs it used to either, although John Blair is promoting a new club/hotel/restaurant on W 42 St.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
    Stuttershock saidBlame the internet. It's both easier and cheaper to use Grindr/Skruff/Whatever to meet guys. One community grows as the other one shrinks.


    I agree.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
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    Easier and cheaper? Not from NJ; toll is up to $12.

    NYC doesn't have the big dance clubs it used to either, although John Blair is promoting a new club/hotel/restaurant on W 42 St.


    Then come to CT where you only pay a toll to leave NY & only for those who don't use the Merritt icon_wink.gif

    But I'm sure NYC even suffers from the internet.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    ATC84 said
    njmeanwhile said
    Easier and cheaper? Not from NJ; toll is up to $12.

    NYC doesn't have the big dance clubs it used to either, although John Blair is promoting a new club/hotel/restaurant on W 42 St.


    Then come to CT where you only pay a toll to leave NY & only for those who don't use the Merritt icon_wink.gif

    But I'm sure NYC even suffers from the internet.


    It does. There are a lot fewer places than there used to be. Where in CT is good these days? I worked at the Brook a hundred years ago.
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    Revolver club just reopened a few weeks ago here in west Hollywood. It use to be Revolver from the late 70's to the mid 90's then became East West, now it's back and way better. The crowd is 35+ of hot men, I didn't see any pretentious 20 something clacking boys. It was a hot fun and easy crowd.

    It was packed!!
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    I have always wondered how guys can actually prefer the process of looking at a small pic on a phone and sending a couple of texts as a way to hook up rather than go out and actually see a whole room of people, go up and talk to somehow and find a little about them.

    Are guys that desperate for sex these days that they would do anyone? What happens when the guy shows up at your door and he is not as attractive as his pic? Do they tell him no? Do they just just through with it anyway? At least in a bar you can weed them out by seeing them in person
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    One trend I've noticed over probably the last 10 or 12 years or so is for a new gay club to open and at the beginning everyone loves it and it so packed you can't move, but six months later it is old news and the place is nearly empty and closes. Of course a new place will come along soon (often in the same space vacated by the last one) and it all starts over again. So many clubs have such a short lifespan today.
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    Dec 07, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidOne trend I've noticed over probably the last 10 or 12 years or so is for a new gay club to open and at the beginning everyone loves it and it so packed you can't move, but six months later it is old news and the place is nearly empty and closes. Of course a new place will come along soon (often in the same space vacated by the last one) and it all starts over again. So many clubs have such a short lifespan today.


    The trend here (NJ) here lately has been that a straight club will attempt (badly) a gay night, often "promoted" by one individual who has bounced from club to club. The club will not advertise it on their own website, the promoter does not have the skills, the following or the budget to make it work. They will do things like charge a $10 cover for an unknown party on a Tuesday night, and then wonder why it fails.
  • DanOmatic

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    Dec 07, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
    I think that the internet has a lot to do with it, but also I think that for a lot of areas, the concept of a gay-exclusive place to hang out has evaporated as society in general (in most places in the US) has become more accepting.

    I find that gay-friendly bars and restaurants are more populated now than the traditional gay clubs. You can go hang out with your friends, gay and straight, have a nice meal or a couple of beers at normal, non-vampire hours.

    It's not just in the US, but in Europe as well. In Europe there is a distinction between going to the bar to socialize and going to the bar to find sex. They make it easy: some bars have specific days when they function essentially as sex clubs.
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    Dec 08, 2011 5:32 AM GMT
    This past Saturday night I went to an old Detroit gay club that had recently reopened after being gone for a couple years. Completely gutted and remodeled, it looked nice but was still the same, old tired music that nearly every gay club plays. Afterwards I went to an mixed gay/straight after hours that has been around for years. Some people say straight clubs have better music. Straight bars with live music might be better, but nightclubs are about the same, gay or straight, as the music at straight clubs is geared towards women in hopes that men will follow. The mixed gay/straight clubs have the best music. A dj spinning deep house in one room and another spinning Detroit-style techno in the other. Wall to wall people all there for the love of the music and so crowded you couldn't move. I made it until 5am, but that was all these old bones could take and left with it still packed and going strong. Really wish these kind of clubs were more common.