Polls: Republicans enjoy enthusiasm gap

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    Dec 07, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    The question came up in another thread if Republicans were embarrassed. The original question was raised by someone who never makes any substantive posts, so it wouldn't be taken seriously. But the question was seconded by another who in the past has made some substantive posts, though the question today is pretty ridiculous.

    My first-hand observations are mirrored by polls. My community is diverse. Based on the people I know, many of the successful businesspeople and professionals, such as those in the medical field, generally vote Republican, while the entertainment executives and university professors generally vote Democratic. The Republican leaning folks are energized and enthusiastic about 2012, while the Democratic leaning folks are just the opposite. The ones mostly embarrassed are the Democrats. Almost without exception, they are disappointed with Obama, and many feel not just embarrassed but humiliated that they were taken in by the hope and change fluff.

    Some articles and polls on the enthusiasm gap:

    "A majority of Republicans, 56%, said they were more enthusiastic. By contrast, only 43% of Democrats said they were more enthusiastic. Other readings from the poll produced the same kind of picture of a fired-up Republican base and a more lethargic Democratic one."

    http://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/what-enthusiasm-gap/

    http://polipundit.com/?p=34328

    http://www.pollwatchdaily.com/2011/10/17/specter-of-another-enthusiasm-gap-hangs-over-democrats-as-election-year-nears/

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/17/cnn-poll-shows-rapidly-widening-voter-enthusiasm-gap/
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    Dec 07, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    It's all theoretical until there's a candidate. The problem is that none of the primary candidates on the Republican side create enthusiasm.

    I also think you are seriously underestimating the religious prejudice within the Republican base, which will not cotton to a Mormon or a "born-again" Catholic serial adulterer. Gingrich will particularly have problems with women because of his horrible treatment of his two former wives and his argument that 9-year-olds should be plunging toilets instead of studying.
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    Christian73 saidIt's all theoretical until there's a candidate. The problem is that none of the primary candidates on the Republican side create enthusiasm.

    I also think you are seriously underestimating the religious prejudice within the Republican base, which will not cotton to a Mormon or a "born-again" Catholic serial adulterer. Gingrich will particularly have problems with women because of his horrible treatment of his two former wives and his argument that 9-year-olds should be plunging toilets instead of studying.

    I'm sure they don't create enthusiasm with you, but you would not be part of the Republican enthusiasm statistic, would you? The polls show enthusiasm, I am not just enthusiastic but fired up. Of course the enthusiasm is divided between the Republican candidates and the need to get rid of Obama.

    Your view that religious prejudice will impact the votes to any significant extent is purely wishful thinking. Regardless of who the candidate ends up being, the enthusiasm to rid this country of Obama will be extremely intense.

    But to the original point, I submit that the polls addressing voter enthusiasm represent a reasonable response to the question on voters being embarrassed. I back up my point with numbers. What is it that you use to back up your opinion?
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    Dec 07, 2011 3:40 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIt's all theoretical until there's a candidate. The problem is that none of the primary candidates on the Republican side create enthusiasm.

    I also think you are seriously underestimating the religious prejudice within the Republican base, which will not cotton to a Mormon or a "born-again" Catholic serial adulterer. Gingrich will particularly have problems with women because of his horrible treatment of his two former wives and his argument that 9-year-olds should be plunging toilets instead of studying.



    Christian, I personally will really enjoy watching you eat crow when you see the Republican party and how truly enthusiastic they will be once they have a nominee to rally around. Obviously, this is primary season and the enthusiasm is spread around to several different candidates. However, once the field is whittled down, and a candidate emerges, you're going to see all kinds of enthusiasm and it will not be deterred by someone's religion or marriage woes, but rather it will be fueled by that candidates ability to lead the country and beat Obama.
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    Christian73 saidIt's all theoretical until there's a candidate. The problem is that none of the primary candidates on the Republican side create enthusiasm.

    I also think you are seriously underestimating the religious prejudice within the Republican base, which will not cotton to a Mormon or a "born-again" Catholic serial adulterer. Gingrich will particularly have problems with women because of his horrible treatment of his two former wives and his argument that 9-year-olds should be plunging toilets instead of studying.



    Christian, I personally will really enjoy watching you eat crow when you see the Republican party and how truly enthusiastic they will be once they have a nominee to rally around. Obviously, this is primary season and the enthusiasm is spread around to several different candidates. However, once the field is whittled down, and a candidate emerges, you're going to see all kinds of enthusiasm and it will not be deterred by someone's religion or marriage woes, but rather it will be fueled by that candidates ability to lead the country and beat Obama.


    Have you met anyone from the Republican Party?

    I realize that we progressives can sometimes be idealistic, but this is just wishful thinking.

    Mitt Romney started off with low likability and has seen that drop. He's a Wall Street flack who's pre-political career was primarily in downsizing and outsourcing American jobs.

    Gingrich is nearly universally disliked. I just read an article that said in 35 separate polls over the past 17 years, Americans expressed a negative impression of Gingrich 32 times.
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    Dec 07, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    Have you met anyone from the Republican Party?

    I realize that we progressives can sometimes be idealistic, but this is just wishful thinking.

    Mitt Romney started off with low likability and has seen that drop. He's a Wall Street flack who's pre-political career was primarily in downsizing and outsourcing American jobs.

    Gingrich is nearly universally disliked. I just read an article that said in 35 separate polls over the past 17 years, Americans expressed a negative impression of Gingrich 32 times.



    You're right, it IS "wishful thinking" --- on YOUR part. I know you like to cite poll after poll to make a point and say things like "universally disliked" to drive it home but, sorry, not exactly fact. Let's see what the picture looks like once the voting starts in January and not rely on agenda-driven polls that more often than not give a slanted or skewed fraction of the real story.
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    Dec 07, 2011 5:14 PM GMT
    Christian - what type of polls do you use to base your comments on? Sounds like completely wishful thinking with nothing to back it up.

    The polls I pointed to indicate enthusiasm, and the relatively low percentages for each candidate reflect multiple candidates in play.
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    Dec 07, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidChristian - what type of polls do you use to base your comments on? Sounds like completely wishful thinking with nothing to back it up.


    Polls he heard Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Lawrence O'Donnell talking about. icon_wink.gif


    I think 32 polls over 17 years is pretty damning in terms of Gingrich and Romney's implosion is evident.

    Unfortunately (for you all), you're conflating Republican base opposition to Obama and enthusiasm among a relatively small and fanatical group, with how the larger majority of Americans feel and the fact that the "clown car" that has been the primary is a huge turn off to independents and, again, that no one likes Romney (who can't even answer basic questions by a friendly interviewer like Brett Baer) and Gingrich (32 negative polls!) who when he was forced out by a bipartisan coalition for ethics violations, was the second most famous politician and the most disliked politician in the country.
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:07 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Unfortunately (for you all), you're conflating Republican base opposition to Obama and enthusiasm among a relatively small and fanatical group, with how the larger majority of Americans feel and the fact that the "clown car" that has been the primary is a huge turn off to independents and, again, that no one likes Romney



    There you go again, stating YOUR opinion as if it is fact. Sorry, but it's YOUR opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I was at the Mitt Romney luncheon yesterday in Paradise Valley at which former V.P. Dan Quayle endorsed Romney. The place was packed, and bustling with enthusiasm, so to say that "no one likes Romney" is just wishful thinking and bogus blah-blah-blah on your part. A great many people like Romney, and you will certainly see the GOP rally around him with all kinds of enthusiasm should he become the nominee.
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    Christian73 said
    Unfortunately (for you all), you're conflating Republican base opposition to Obama and enthusiasm among a relatively small and fanatical group, with how the larger majority of Americans feel and the fact that the "clown car" that has been the primary is a huge turn off to independents and, again, that no one likes Romney



    There you go again, stating YOUR opinion as if it is fact. Sorry, but it's YOUR opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I was at the Mitt Romney luncheon yesterday in Paradise Valley at which former V.P. Dan Quayle endorsed Romney. The place was packed, and bustling with enthusiasm, so to say that "no one likes Romney" is just wishful thinking and bogus blah-blah-blah on your part. A great many people like Romney, and you will certainly see the GOP rally around him with all kinds of enthusiasm should he become the nominee.


    Dan Quayle!!! That's rich.

    It's not my opinion. It's hyperbole but well-established by the polls.

    And the fact that a bunch of Romney's peers in Paradise Valley went to a fundraiser doesn't mean he's likable.
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Dan Quayle!!! That's rich.

    It's not my opinion. It's hyperbole but well-established by the polls.

    And the fact that a bunch of Romney's peers in Paradise Valley went to a fundraiser doesn't mean he's likable.



    Obviously, a Dan Quayle endorsement isn't going to make or break a Romney campaign, but he is a prominent resident here in Paradise Valley, not to mention a former V.P., so it was appropriate for Romney's appearance here in Arizona yesterday. Regardless, I was there, the crowd was all about Romney and they clearly were there because they like and support him. I also came away from the event feeling more positive about Romney than I went in. He's enormously charismatic and likable -- and came off extremely Presidential -- as well as very warm and engaging.
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    Dec 07, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said and came off extremely Presidential -- as well as very warm and engaging.
    He didnt know who or what you slept with did he?
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    Dec 07, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 said
    Unfortunately (for you all), you're conflating Republican base opposition to Obama and enthusiasm among a relatively small and fanatical group, with how the larger majority of Americans feel and the fact that the "clown car" that has been the primary is a huge turn off to independents and, again, that no one likes Romney



    There you go again, stating YOUR opinion as if it is fact. Sorry, but it's YOUR opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I was at the Mitt Romney luncheon yesterday in Paradise Valley at which former V.P. Dan Quayle endorsed Romney. The place was packed, and bustling with enthusiasm, so to say that "no one likes Romney" is just wishful thinking and bogus blah-blah-blah on your part. A great many people like Romney, and you will certainly see the GOP rally around him with all kinds of enthusiasm should he become the nominee.


    Dan Quayle!!! That's rich.

    It's not my opinion. It's hyperbole but well-established by the polls.

    And the fact that a bunch of Romney's peers in Paradise Valley went to a fundraiser doesn't mean he's likable.

    Tit for tat - the unemployment pct above 7.6%, Obama approval rate below 50%, and poll of country on wrong track >70% mean Obama will lose. Case closed, next topic.
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    Dec 07, 2011 7:16 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Unfortunately (for you all), you're conflating Republican base opposition to Obama and enthusiasm among a relatively small and fanatical group, with how the larger majority of Americans feel and the fact that the "clown car" that has been the primary is a huge turn off to independents and, again, that no one likes Romney



    There you go again, stating YOUR opinion as if it is fact. Sorry, but it's YOUR opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I was at the Mitt Romney luncheon yesterday in Paradise Valley at which former V.P. Dan Quayle endorsed Romney. The place was packed, and bustling with enthusiasm, so to say that "no one likes Romney" is just wishful thinking and bogus blah-blah-blah on your part. A great many people like Romney, and you will certainly see the GOP rally around him with all kinds of enthusiasm should he become the nominee.


    Dan Quayle!!! That's rich.

    It's not my opinion. It's hyperbole but well-established by the polls.

    And the fact that a bunch of Romney's peers in Paradise Valley went to a fundraiser doesn't mean he's likable.

    Tit for tat - the unemployment pct above 7.6%, Obama approval rate below 50%, and poll of country on wrong track >70% mean Obama will lose. Case closed, next topic.


    Unemployment coming down. Obama approval rating irrelevant until Republican candidate chosen. Wrong track, again, will change once candidate is chosen.

    Case open. Republicans screwed.
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    Dec 07, 2011 7:21 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidUnemployment coming down.


    120,000 jobs added=a 0.4% drop in the unemployment rate?

    Only a liberal would believe that.

    The unemployment rate dropped 0.4% because the Obama Depression has caused hundreds of thousands to give up looking for work as their despair has won out over their optimism that they can find a job while Obama is the President.


    Actually, unemployment continues and people are giving up because corporations are sitting on $3 trillion and refusing to invest because they're greedy.
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    Dec 08, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Tit for tat - the unemployment pct above 7.6%, Obama approval rate below 50%, and poll of country on wrong track >70% mean Obama will lose. Case closed, next topic.

    Case closed? Oh, I think not.

    (N.B.: Your words, when you eat them, may be more palatable with Worcestershire sauce. It's a nice change from ketchup.)

    The numbers quoted are quite damning for the incumbent, but I was actually playing with Christian, who has come to making sweeping, declarative statements with no backing. I believe Obama will lose, but it's not a slam dunk. Many of us at the national level and at the grass roots level will have to work hard to ensure it happens. I won't gloat over most of you, but there are a couple whose misery I will enjoy.
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    socalfitness said
    jpBITCHva said
    socalfitness said
    Tit for tat - the unemployment pct above 7.6%, Obama approval rate below 50%, and poll of country on wrong track >70% mean Obama will lose. Case closed, next topic.

    Case closed? Oh, I think not.

    (N.B.: Your words, when you eat them, may be more palatable with Worcestershire sauce. It's a nice change from ketchup.)

    The numbers quoted are quite damning for the incumbent, but I was actually playing with Christian, who has come to making sweeping, declarative statements with no backing. I believe Obama will lose, but it's not a slam dunk. Many of us at the national level and at the grass roots level will have to work hard to ensure it happens. I won't gloat over most of you, but there are a couple whose misery I will enjoy.


    Any gay man who works to get Newt Gingrich elected president should have to get it tattooed on his forehead so he can be mocked and derided as appropriate. This is Newt Gingrich we are talking about..Skype-emoticons-19-puke.gif
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    Dec 08, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    It's a mystery to me why the Republicans would nominate a former House Speaker who resigned in disgrace. Excellent candidate! icon_lol.gif