My confession.................

  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jun 09, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
    I’m not gay, I’m straight. Sorry guys for the not been honest. I hope you will let me stay icon_redface.gif



















































    icon_lol.gif Just joking icon_lol.gif

    Sorry, couldn't resist icon_smile.gif



    The purpose of this thread is to explain a few things. You won’t listen to me in the religion threads, so I thought a neutral ground would be good to explain myself.

    Some of you think I’m whining all the time in the religion threads, and with good reason. I am whining, and I’m sorry for that, but I feel so frustrated with a lot of you icon_confused.gif My confession is, I like and respect most of you, and in most, if not all of the threads you post to, I agree with your point of view, and if I don’t agree with you, I feel there is respect there at least. Now the religion threads are a different story. There are all those guys that I like and respect bashing (that’s just my opinion) Christians. As a Christian I find it hard to take that icon_mad.gif The LOL cats in the religion threads I kinda found appropriate, as cats play with their pray, and at times that seems to be what is going on in those threads. I have counted four of those threads in the past week alone. A lot of it just seems to be trying to make fun of Christians, and more of it seems like hate. I don’t believe I have ever heard anyone say “not all Christians” or anything to that effect. I have generalised on a few occasions about Atheists, and I have been put in my place over it, but it seems quite acceptable to generalise about Christians icon_confused.gif

    The personal insults I keep referring to, did happen and most of you know that. They were from guys I don’t like apart from one (LittleDudeWithMuscles) A few months ago I had a chat with him here on RJ, and I considered him one of the nice guys. I guess I was wrong. The rest I never liked so they just proved they were not likeable.

    The rest of you that go on and on and on about Christians, well I feel you are very unfair. You generalise, and I feel attacked by your comments, and that is why I’m always whining, and replying to you as if you don’t like me. Most of you if not all of you, just can not bring yourselves to say “not all Christians” or something to that effect. Yes, that bothers me icon_confused.gif

    Now in the gay pride thread TigerTim says “Shame shame shame on you MikePhil” because I gave my view on gay pride. I also explained how I came to have that view, and I was open to being educated on it. I got no education from him, and he will not answer the questions I asked. Some other guys have answered, and tried to educate me on it, so thanks to those guys. I don’t find “Shame shame shame on you MikePhil” very educational, or very helpful. And then you wonder why I whine.

    Anyway, I’m not looking for any sympathy here. I just wanted to explain, as in the religion threads, and now in the gay pride thread, a lot of what I write seems to be ignored. Some just read the bit’s the suit there agenda.

    I hope I have explained myself well. I will take questions, if there are any.
    If I did not like and respect you guys, I would not be here.


    HUGS

    Mike



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    Jun 09, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    I didn't read the rest of the thread when you admitted you were just bullshitting. How Irish of you. Although the thought of you straight gave me a boner and reconsidered to be a top. . .NOT!!!
    I love you and your perceived flaws. My late night text messages say so. BITCH.
    Your non-practicing Catholic friend,
    ZiMsTeRdAy...all my troubles seem so far away...
    Religion breeds fragmentation. --M.
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    I am sure, MikePhil, that you know that in the US, many Christians and their churches are very active in politics and society to deny Gays their civil rights. It's good for business....keeps their congregations titillated and coming. So gay Americans ...and most of the members here are Americans ...might like to discuss the situations and exchange info that can be used to defend ourselves. I post anti-biblical info with the idea that maybe some day, some where someone else might remember it and be able to counter/win an argument. The more we can defend ourselves the weaker the American Christians and their arguments become.

    You might notice that I pretty much stay out of the discussions that often ensue. It is not my goal to convert anyone here from their Christian beliefs. And it is not my goal to annoy you. When I see these "discussions" going on, I pretty much roll my eyes. Nobody is gonna dissuade you from your beliefs and why would they want to. Personally, if I were you, I wont reply to them. You're not going to persuade them either. The whole thing is just a waste of pixels.

    Now a discussion on the applicability and efficacy of any information that I post would be interesting. Is my argument sound? Would it be valid and effective? Could it be improved? That would be interesting.
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    Jun 09, 2008 6:45 PM GMT
    I am not sure what the situation for gays is like in Ireland, but in North America it has not been great mainly due to the efforts of organized religion. This is especially true in the USA.

    There are many RJ members who have had terrible experiences due to their families or societies hatred of gays, often stemming from religious beliefs.

    Unfortunately this has resulted in many gays seeing red when you mention the word religion. Although agnostic I have never been too worked up about people's personal belief systems. I certainly would not have refused to go out with a guy because he was a practicing Christian, or any other organized religion. That is just as well because I fell in love with a Catholic!

    The old adage "never discuss religion or politics" at times rings true for RJ forums. I would like to think MikePhil that RJ members will try and be more polite when discussing religion in future RJ forums, but I am not holding my breath. It really does set some people off.
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    Jun 09, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    Mike,
    It doesn't matter. You seem like a nice guy. You get along well with everyone. It doesn't matter if you’re straight to me. You have given me good advice and I am sure you have done so for a few others. Just be you buddy!
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    Yikes, You got me!
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    i have often said "many, but not all". i respect that every has the right to worship or not worship their deity of choice, to be agnostic, or atheistic. here are some of my thoughts and i will generalize often below instead of repeating "many, but not all" time and again. none of the following is a personal attack.

    one of my best friends is a devout christian and i used to be one. by far and large however, my experience with christians, and even religion in general, is that most followers are naive, blinded, or narrow minded, by choice.

    even all of christianity cannot agree with itself and thus there are many divergences, many churches. every version of a modern bible that is printed has an opinion applied to it. a perception, a valuation, and differs from the version before.

    there is argument after argument, about old and new testament, about blended clothing, about eating seafood, about men sleeping with men as women, about sacrificing, about slavery, and on and on.

    it doesn't bother me that there is this printed bible. it bothers me how most of it's followers write and rewrite edicts in it to suit their own opinions and beliefs. it bothers me that a given statement is "interpreted" in awfully negative ways.

    nearly all such laws, edicts, requirements, and what have you, were not written as theistic requirements for holiness but were instead written for the wellbeing of people. seafood for example can be very toxic if not prepared and stored correctly and thus it was an abomination to eat it as was "unclean" meat. the term abomination was used to mean dirty, unclean, and not sinful. you should be cleansed before joining others in masses so as not to spread illness and disease.

    some of the worst diseases and illnesses are easily transferred by anal intercourse.

    is the story of the destruction of sodom and gommorah about homosexual sex? no. it is about inhospitality.

    In Ezekiel 16:48-50 God accuses Jerusalem of being worse than Sodom. He explains that the sin of Sodom was that "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

    all my life i have experienced persectution as a homosexual. the party owning nearly all of that hate is the christian party.

    i have friends and aquaintances from all walks of life and religion. muslims treat me better than christians.

    christians leave propaganda on our windshield, door, and mailbox. they seem to think that the notices about that stuff don't apply to them. christians are the ones telling me that everything i am, everything i do, is sinful, and i'm going to hell. christians tell me that i am what i am because my parents sinned, or someone up the family tree sinned. i am what i am because i choose to be. i'm confused, why am i am what i am? make up thy mind please. in that line, i thought God never made mistakes. but you tell me that God made me in his image. if God made me this way and i'm a mistake, aren't you then saying God made a mistake?

    how do the stories in the bible get interpreted to mean one thing when a given situation is encountered but mean something entirely different for another situation?

    a woman is killed and it was God's will that she be called home to be with him in heaven because she was a good person. but on the other side of the street is another christian saying she was killed as punishment from God because her son is gay.

    kuran, bible? the bible has story after story of death and destruction of individuals, cities, nations and countries. the bible demands certain peoples be put to death. how can these self-righteous christians go on and on about how horrible muslims are? murder is "O.K." because it's done as a legal culmination? murder of hundreds of thousands of people is justifiable because we're "installing democracy and bringing God to the sinners" and "9/11!"

    we've gotten awesomely far installing democracy. remember that iraq actually had nothing to do with 9/11 and al qaeda didn't exist in iraq until we invaded? well then it was to get saddam. wait, already did that and had him put to death. another justifiable murder. oh, because he had WMD. no, we finally admit that that was a fabrication too.

    so we've now killed hundreds of thousands of people and we don't have a single excuse for why we started this mess. so what made our "bringing christianity to the masses" better than islam? oh, because it's us doing it so that makes it right.

    why is the love story of jonathan and david ignored? or ruth and naomi? those were some powerful love stories and might even be considered questionable around young ears. you just have to word it carefully when speaking about the graphic intimacy between jonathan and david.

    but no, one man loving another is considered sinful, abhorrent of nature, broken, and on and on. we haven't even gotten to sex yet.

    how about the precept that gay men are almost universally accused of being child molesters? how attrocious! is there nothing that christian's won't blame on the fags?

    when it comes to pride events, two men can go, both wearing little clothing. one is going to have a ball of fun, a blast, come home laughing and high on endorphins. he didn't go there to get laid, have an orgy in the street, perform many acts of debauchery. the second man wanted some tail. but both are demonized to the lowest levels of scum and horrible social activities.

    so, why do i get bothered by "christianity" in general? i'm not sure where to start ^_^ maybe it's because i feel like i'm in a swarm of flies and mosquitos that i just can't get away from. you don't see me pasting pamphlets on churches about their damnation because of everything they do wrong in my eyes.

    i don't get it, why can't they just leave me alone? why do they have to try to shove everything down my throat?

    please refer to my first paragraph before replying.
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    Jun 09, 2008 8:30 PM GMT
    Everyone has a right to his or her belief system. It is a personal thing and it should be. The problem arises because not everyone wants to agree with the first two sentences. We live in a world that does not need the Word to be spread. Almost every human on the planet has access to information. Why do not we stop trying to convince or dissuade other people about belief systems? We will all go to our grave still wondering why.
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    you seem like a great guy MikePhil, and i enjoy reading your posts in most forums. you strike me as being very sweet and sensitive.


    .... VERY sensitive..

    i have to make this point though: what usually happens when two people disagree on something important to both of them? especially when a clear answer to the quandary in question is nowhere to be found? tempers tend to flare and feelings get hurt. now look at the history of organized religion on Earth- its a bloody mess, literally. people kill daily over this crap, because they take it all so seriously and personally. that's why its BAD- the whole lot of it. but that last bit being neither here-nor-there, i reiterate my earlier advice to you which is to let insults go, stop taking anti-christian sentiments (which are almost all aimed at the Church as an organization, not at Christianity as a belief) as personal attacks on you, and let the comments that may actually be ill-founded personal attacks simply slide off. its something most ppl never learn, though it was a major lesson back in grade school- we can't all run crying to the teacher when someone calls us poopoopants. your own Jesus advised us to 'turn the other cheek,' rather than to let ppl get under our skin.

    if you're too sensitive to handle the opinions of others in religion threads, don't read them. if you can't take the heat of people disagreeing with your comments, don't post them. 'nuff said.

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    STRAIGHT! Yeah, TO THE NEXT MAN, RIGHT?icon_razz.gificon_razz.gif
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    Jun 09, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    Since I am criticised above by MikePhil, I feel obliged to point out that my posts on religion have invariably to advocate a more nuanced view of Christianity (rather than a generalised view) and to question definitions and preconceptions. I regret that my arguments are being conflated with the "personal insults" and "hate". In particular, I emphatically condemned such personal attacks 'Those things were certainly obnoxious, uncalled for, inappropriate and untrue.'.

    In any case, my response on the subject of Pride may be found in a new thread. Regrettably, having been at work all day, I did not have a chance to post it earlier.

    I was rather offended by one of MikePhil's comments in the thread he refers to, and I stand by my response to it.
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    Jun 09, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidSince I am criticised above by MikePhil, I feel obliged to point out that my posts on religion have invariably to advocate a more nuanced view of Christianity (rather than a generalised view) and to question definitions and preconceptions. I regret that my arguments are being conflated with the "personal insults" and "hate". In particular, I emphatically condemned such personal attacks 'Those things were certainly obnoxious, uncalled for, inappropriate and untrue.'.

    In any case, my response on the subject of Pride may be found in a new thread. Regrettably, having been at work all day, I did not have a chance to post it earlier.

    I was extremely offended by one of MikePhil's comments, and I stand by my response to it.



    Hey Tim, I never criticised you on the religion issue. If I did, I did not mean to, and I apologise if I did. I also meant to post in the religion thread, and thank you for your comment, so I want to thank you now for your comment "Those things were certainly obnoxious, uncalled for, inappropriate and untrue" Thank you Tim icon_smile.gif

    As for the pride thing. I regret that you are offended by my comment. It was, and is not meant to offend. It is my opinion, and I have explained how I have come to have that opinion. I have also explained to another guy that seems to be offended, that this is not the first gay site where I have asked those questions. I have asked them before without giving any opinion and I get much the same response. It seems to me you are not aloud ask question on gay pride. It seems to be an offence to ask questions. I think it is clear that I'm not talking about all gays, and I also use the word "think" It is not a definite statement, so I cant see why you are offended. Tell me how much of it is offencive? And if there are any other guys offended by it please let me know. I don't bite icon_smile.gif

    Who was it up there that said I was "sensitive"

    Obviously I'm not the only one icon_smile.gif
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    Mike, I have nothing against you personally, but I've pretty much stopped interacting with you on the forums, namely because you are hyper-sensitive, reactionary, and overly-accusatory.

    It seems, in your estimation, anyone who disagrees with you philosophically is attacking you personally. It isn't so. And it's really difficult to have a discussion with you because you invariably resort to assigning intentions to others that aren't there and perceive them to be making personal denigrations that they aren't making.

    In short you take everything personally and can't seem to have a discussion on merits.
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    Global_Citizen saidMike, I have nothing against you personally, but I've pretty much stopped interacting with you on the forums, namely because you are hyper-sensitive, reactionary, and overly-accusatory.

    It seems, in your estimation, anyone who disagrees with you philosophically is attacking you personally. It isn't so. And it's really difficult to have a discussion with you because you invariably resort to assigning intentions to others that aren't there and perceive them to be making personal denigrations that they aren't making.

    In short you take everything personally and can't seem to have a discussion on merits.


    What Global_Citizen is actually saying in plain words is "Here, have a Rubix Cube and shove it!"
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    Jun 09, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    FirefighterBlu3 saidi have often said "many, but not all". i respect that every has the right to worship or not worship their deity of choice, to be agnostic, or atheistic. here are some of my thoughts and i will generalize often below instead of repeating "many, but not all" time and again. none of the following is a personal attack.

    one of my best friends is a devout christian and i used to be one. by far and large however, my experience with christians, and even religion in general, is that most followers are naive, blinded, or narrow minded, by choice.

    even all of christianity cannot agree with itself and thus there are many divergences, many churches. every version of a modern bible that is printed has an opinion applied to it. a perception, a valuation, and differs from the version before.

    there is argument after argument, about old and new testament, about blended clothing, about eating seafood, about men sleeping with men as women, about sacrificing, about slavery, and on and on.

    it doesn't bother me that there is this printed bible. it bothers me how most of it's followers write and rewrite edicts in it to suit their own opinions and beliefs. it bothers me that a given statement is "interpreted" in awfully negative ways.

    nearly all such laws, edicts, requirements, and what have you, were not written as theistic requirements for holiness but were instead written for the wellbeing of people. seafood for example can be very toxic if not prepared and stored correctly and thus it was an abomination to eat it as was "unclean" meat. the term abomination was used to mean dirty, unclean, and not sinful. you should be cleansed before joining others in masses so as not to spread illness and disease.

    some of the worst diseases and illnesses are easily transferred by anal intercourse.

    is the story of the destruction of sodom and gommorah about homosexual sex? no. it is about inhospitality.

    In Ezekiel 16:48-50 God accuses Jerusalem of being worse than Sodom. He explains that the sin of Sodom was that "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

    all my life i have experienced persectution as a homosexual. the party owning nearly all of that hate is the christian party.

    i have friends and aquaintances from all walks of life and religion. muslims treat me better than christians.

    christians leave propaganda on our windshield, door, and mailbox. they seem to think that the notices about that stuff don't apply to them. christians are the ones telling me that everything i am, everything i do, is sinful, and i'm going to hell. christians tell me that i am what i am because my parents sinned, or someone up the family tree sinned. i am what i am because i choose to be. i'm confused, why am i am what i am? make up thy mind please. in that line, i thought God never made mistakes. but you tell me that God made me in his image. if God made me this way and i'm a mistake, aren't you then saying God made a mistake?

    how do the stories in the bible get interpreted to mean one thing when a given situation is encountered but mean something entirely different for another situation?

    a woman is killed and it was God's will that she be called home to be with him in heaven because she was a good person. but on the other side of the street is another christian saying she was killed as punishment from God because her son is gay.

    kuran, bible? the bible has story after story of death and destruction of individuals, cities, nations and countries. the bible demands certain peoples be put to death. how can these self-righteous christians go on and on about how horrible muslims are? murder is "O.K." because it's done as a legal culmination? murder of hundreds of thousands of people is justifiable because we're "installing democracy and bringing God to the sinners" and "9/11!"

    we've gotten awesomely far installing democracy. remember that iraq actually had nothing to do with 9/11 and al qaeda didn't exist in iraq until we invaded? well then it was to get saddam. wait, already did that and had him put to death. another justifiable murder. oh, because he had WMD. no, we finally admit that that was a fabrication too.

    so we've now killed hundreds of thousands of people and we don't have a single excuse for why we started this mess. so what made our "bringing christianity to the masses" better than islam? oh, because it's us doing it so that makes it right.

    why is the love story of jonathan and david ignored? or ruth and naomi? those were some powerful love stories and might even be considered questionable around young ears. you just have to word it carefully when speaking about the graphic intimacy between jonathan and david.

    but no, one man loving another is considered sinful, abhorrent of nature, broken, and on and on. we haven't even gotten to sex yet.

    how about the precept that gay men are almost universally accused of being child molesters? how attrocious! is there nothing that christian's won't blame on the fags?

    when it comes to pride events, two men can go, both wearing little clothing. one is going to have a ball of fun, a blast, come home laughing and high on endorphins. he didn't go there to get laid, have an orgy in the street, perform many acts of debauchery. the second man wanted some tail. but both are demonized to the lowest levels of scum and horrible social activities.

    so, why do i get bothered by "christianity" in general? i'm not sure where to start ^_^ maybe it's because i feel like i'm in a swarm of flies and mosquitos that i just can't get away from. you don't see me pasting pamphlets on churches about their damnation because of everything they do wrong in my eyes.

    i don't get it, why can't they just leave me alone? why do they have to try to shove everything down my throat?

    please refer to my first paragraph before replying.



    Firefighter, The only reply I can give to that is, I am disgusted at what those people do. I would not class them as Christians. In Ireland they would be locked up for that kind of thing. I have to admit I never knew it was like this in the US. I knew it was worse than here but not this bad. All I can say is we are not all like that. Reading your post I just want to give you a hug icon_smile.gif

    The Catholic church has been beating in to shape here in Ireland, but it needs some more beating. I hope the same will happen over there.

    Mike
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    Jun 09, 2008 10:48 PM GMT
    By the way this is picked from the Irish headlines today


    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREThe wife of the First Minister of Northern Ireland has caused controversy with her born-again Christian outlook on life.

    Iris Robinson is MP for Strangford and chairs the Northern Ireland Assembly's health committee.

    Reacting to news that a man was viciously attacked because he is gay, she suggested that he should consider therapy to "cure" him of his homosexuality.

    "I have a very lovely psychiatrist who works with me in my offices and his Christian background is that he tries to help homosexuals trying to turn away from what they are engaged in.

    "And I have met people who have turned around to become heterosexual."


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    Jun 09, 2008 10:48 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidMike, I have nothing against you personally, but I've pretty much stopped interacting with you on the forums, namely because you are hyper-sensitive, reactionary, and overly-accusatory.

    It seems, in your estimation, anyone who disagrees with you philosophically is attacking you personally. It isn't so. And it's really difficult to have a discussion with you because you invariably resort to assigning intentions to others that aren't there and perceive them to be making personal denigrations that they aren't making.

    In short you take everything personally and can't seem to have a discussion on merits.



    I can not have a discussion with you full stop. You have admitted yourself, that you are hostile to my religion, and you express that in your responses to me so stop this "I've nothing against you personally" crap. If I were anything but Christian, I wouldn't be getting your smart ass replies in religion threads.

    I also asked for a hug in that religion thread in order to make up and have respect for each other, and I got no reply.

    Need I say more?

    Mike
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    Well, looky looky who's here. If it aint Globalcriticism and CzaraintnobodyIwontharass. Are you two ganging up again on somebody? YOu cant handle some poor fellow on your own....gotta gang up?

    How about if you two just keep a slice of all the advice that you give so free. If you dont like how MikePhil responds, then just shut up...like you tell him to do. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Just dont respond.

    And quit harassing the ass off of people. Just cuz they dont respond the way you think they ought to. Too damn bad.

    The two of you are pots calling kettles black.

    And dont be saying nothing about me sticking my nose in. If you dont like it, then just see how it feels. And take any retorts you got and shove 'em up your asses.

    A couple of pompous blowhards!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    TALHSOMA!
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    You have admitted yourself, that you are hostile to my religion, and you express that in your responses to me so stop this "I've nothing against you personally" crap. If I were anything but Christian, I wouldn't be getting your smart ass replies in religion threads.

    You just demonstrated exactly what I'm talking about. Your religion and your personal being are inextricably intertwined. Therefore because I disagree with your religion, I must have a problem with you personally. Again I say, it isn't so.

    And although you have said many times my replies to you are "smart ass", I have gone out of my way to be respectful and not "smart ass". You seem to see things that aren't there.
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    Cas, leave your past grievances at the door please. You paint some scenario that czar....... and I are colluding to denigrate MikePhil. Yeah, it's so much of a conspiracy that I can't even write the guy's handle without looking it up... but somehow we're partners in crime. Give me a break.

    Then you say, "quit harassing the ass off of people. Just cuz they dont respond the way you think they ought to. Too damn bad."

    ... and say we're the pot calling the kettle black.

    That's really rich coming from you, man. You've been called out by what, half a dozen members lately, for your sourpuss attitude and harassment of others.

    Won't you stick to what you said to me in email... that you're not going to interact with me here. It would be appreciated.

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    MikePhil,

    I am an atheist, as I've said publicly many times.
    That said, I have no problem with you--or anyone--believing what you choose, and I've said THAT many times also.

    What I think many of us are reacting to is the idea that Christianity--or any other religion or political notion--somehow cannot be criticized or discussed. Certainly I have made clear my feelings about Orthodox Jews (I am Jewish, but certainly not Orthodox), and others have made clear their feelings about fundamentalists (which you certainly are not) Christians.

    But NOTHING should be taboo from discussion. Discussion is how we experience each other. And with Chucky gone, I don't believe anyone else has called you "mentally ill", which you certainly are not.

    Anyway, screw all that, I think you're terrific. Hugs to you, Mike.
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    Global_Citizen saidCas, leave your past grievances at the door please. You paint some scenario that czar....... and I are colluding to denigrate MikePhil. Yeah, it's so much of a conspiracy that I can't even write the guy's handle without looking it up... but somehow we're partners in crime. Give me a break.

    Then you say, "quit harassing the ass off of people. Just cuz they dont respond the way you think they ought to. Too damn bad."

    ... and say we're the pot calling the kettle black.

    That's really rich coming from you, man. You've been called out by what, half a dozen members lately, for your sourpuss attitude and harassment of others.

    Won't you stick to what you said to me in email... that you're not going to interact with me here. It would be appreciated.

    Thanks. icon_wink.gif


    Oh too bad, baby. You dont like the table turned on you. Oh too bad! Didnt bother you when you felt divinely ordained to do it. I am so sooooorry....like hell!

    I am just saying what you say to MikePhil...dont respond to him. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!

    Oh d'oh....no, we are all supposed to behave the way you say, but you are above such restraints and any criticism. You think it is ok for you to do unto others and, heaven forfend, they should do it back to you.

    oh poor baby...too bad...talhsoma. And I told you not to respond to me. You cant read?