Malawi to Review Anti Gay Laws in Response to Hilary Clinton´s Speech This Week

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    Dec 09, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    I wonder how many more countries will simply give this up without being sued?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/09/malawi-homosexuality-ban-review?newsfeed=true
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    Dec 09, 2011 2:30 PM GMT

    "Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, told an audience of diplomats at the UN in Geneva: "Gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights."

    A country's cultural or religious traditions were no excuse for discrimination, she insisted. "Being gay is not a western invention. It is a human reality."


    I'm completely impressed!

    -Doug
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    Dec 09, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    meninlove said


    I'm completely impressed!

    -Doug


    She's pretty awesome, always been a Hillary fan and supporter.
    Glad she spoke out this way!
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    Dec 09, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    "Reacting to Clinton's speech this week, John Nagenda, a Ugandan presidential adviser, told the BBC: "If the Americans think they can tell us what to do, they can go to hell.""

    No we cant, but we sure can make your income shrink or disappear!
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    Dec 09, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said"Reacting to Clinton's speech this week, John Nagenda, a Ugandan presidential adviser, told the BBC: "If the Americans think they can tell us what to do, they can go to hell.""

    No we cant, but we sure can make your income shrink or disappear!
    Yes we can. Though it might be a good idea to carry a jacket.

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    Dec 09, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    Fuck, is this a potential minefield or what...

    Ok - totally agree with Hillary Clinton's points. No doubt, rights for LGBTQ persons are human rights.

    But...

    1. We would do better (the USA) not to tender threats - especially economic ones. Sure, a $14T "economy" vs. the sub-trillion economies of most of the developing world, but our particular house of cards is propped up on the good will and trust of our creditors (primarily China, Japan, and Germany/EU).

    2. While thinking of the plight of our brothers and sisters in the developing world (and without getting into the side discussion on how Western Civilisation and Christianity paved the way for most of the homophobic policies of these nations) ... the US government (and the governments of the many united states) would do far better to invest our resources into guaranteeing total equality for our LGBTQ citizens and resident aliens inside our borders first, before preaching to others.

    3. Sanctioning Uganda will not do much beyond likely entrenching them further into murdering their own population of LGBTQ citizens.

    And I do not think that there is an overriding public or corporate interest in pursuing "regime change" in Uganda. Nor should there be, unless we Americans are truly convinced that we need to police the internal affairs of every sovereign nation that does not meet our standards for human rights.

    4. "International Court Law Suit". Yeaaaaaaah. Not when we have a record of avoiding submission to any sort of UN or international court which would have overriding jurisdiction over our national sovereign laws.

    And god(s) help us if that ever happens. We do will to keep our laws and Constitution sovereign and above international law (which may not be promulgated with America's best interests in mind).

    Let us fix our own house first... and be an example to other nations by our deeds.
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    Dec 09, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    first russia and now this... someone promote her to chief of kitchen staff so she learns her place
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    Dec 09, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    Reacting to Clinton's speech this week, John Nagenda, a Ugandan presidential adviser, told the BBC: "If the Americans think they can tell us what to do, they can go to hell."

    Nice. Biting the hand that feeds them.
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    Dec 09, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidReacting to Clinton's speech this week, John Nagenda, a Ugandan presidential adviser, told the BBC: "If the Americans think they can tell us what to do, they can go to hell."

    Nice. Biting the hand that feeds them.


    The hand that *shouldn't* be feeding them in the first place, when the body attached to that hand is ridden with the cancers of complacency and greed.
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    Dec 09, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidReacting to Clinton's speech this week, John Nagenda, a Ugandan presidential adviser, told the BBC: "If the Americans think they can tell us what to do, they can go to hell."

    Nice. Biting the hand that feeds them.


    The hand that *shouldn't* be feeding them in the first place, when the body attached to that hand is ridden with the cancers of complacency and greed.


    I know but a lot of people believe that somehow we owe them something.
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    Dec 09, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    Hilary Clinton is a massive cunt........she's just trying to score brownie points with the LGBT community while dictating to a country on how they should conduct themselves.

    That's one of the reasons I respect Iran, despite their human rights records etc they are one of the only countries in the world to tell the U.S government to go fuck themselves.
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    Dec 09, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidHilary Clinton is a massive cunt........she's just trying to score brownie points with the LGBT community while dictating to a country on how they should conduct themselves.

    That's one of the reasons I respect Iran, despite their human rights records etc they are one of the only countries in the world to tell the U.S government to go fuck themselves.

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    whateveryo saidHilary Clinton is a massive cunt........she's just trying to score brownie points with the LGBT community while dictating to a country on how they should conduct themselves.

    That's one of the reasons I respect Iran, despite their human rights records etc they are one of the only countries in the world to tell the U.S government to go fuck themselves.
    From your profile --> "i like being submissive icon_smile.gif"

    figures.