true love

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    Dec 10, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    what is true love?
  • Neurons

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    Dec 10, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    "Gods" greatest gift to man.
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    Dec 10, 2011 1:57 PM GMT
    so true love (in human context ) is something that has been given to us
  • Neurons

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    Dec 10, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    I think it would be a lot easier for you if you googled it. Just throwing that out there.
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    Dec 10, 2011 2:06 PM GMT
    can google explain true love? of course it can't
  • Neurons

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    Dec 10, 2011 2:14 PM GMT
    No, but it will link you to other forums and websites that will give you their interpretation of true love.
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    Dec 10, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    what do guys here think about true love?
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    Dec 10, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak saidwhat do guys here think about true love?



    You go first. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 10, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
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    Dec 10, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    what i understand is that true love is definitely

    a feeling

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    Dec 10, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak saidwhat i understand is that true love is definitely

    a feeling



    Yes, it is.

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    Dec 10, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
    i want to classify the feeling as a unique one. would it be correct to do as such?
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    Dec 10, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak saidi want to classify the feeling as a unique one. would it be correct to do as such?



    Absolutely.

    ...and there's true love for a family member, which is quite different from true love for a lover.

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    Dec 10, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
    can someone elaborate on what that feeling is
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    Dec 10, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    ok. here is my definition:
    - You are happy when he is happy
    - you do what's in your power to make him happy
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    Dec 10, 2011 4:13 PM GMT
    literally it could also mean
    he could be happy about the wrong things
    i wouldn't be happy with him, if i truly loved him. the usual sign for the existence of true love (friendship?) in such a situation, as taken in eastern cultures, is to become unhappy towards him [in order to express your dismay, and for him to change towards right]

    so true love is also about true friendship?
  • calibro

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    Dec 10, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    true love is a fake ideal. that isn't to say there is anything fake about love, but for the most part love is mundane. it is not how hollywood makes it seem. there is usually a lot of fighting or grumpiness over the years. you discover the person you're with farts in bed. people get fat and become bald. and sometimes that special person can do something that completely destroys you. you can become jealous and insecure because of love. you can be unhappy by the perceived guidelines of what "real love" entails. you might find you can be in love with more than one person at the same time or that the person you love isn't able to meet all your needs or simply that there isn't a specific reason, but one day after many years together you wake and know it is over.

    love is also quiet. it is knowing he never screws on the toothpaste cap and so you do it for him. it is knowing how he likes his coffee and that the doctor said he needs to watch his sodium so you make his lunch for work. it is eating that flavorless lunch someone made for you. you come to learn to be ok with things that once creeped you out like farting in bed. you learn to do things you don't enjoy because compromise is important. you trust the person you're with in ways no sane person should. love is individual and unique. there will be times when you do things when no sane person would forgive you but he does. it is about reminding him tomorrow is his mother's birthday and him being the one who deals with car problems. it is a lot of teamwork in a deal where you both do the most work in. it is knowing he can't sleep when the door isn't closed because the faint light from the kitchen appliances keeps him up. it is saving the receipt from the restaurant on the first date you went out on. it is about knowing there are truths and there are lies. it is about knowing you smile and you will cry. it is about knowing one of you will die first and the odd silver lining of what that means if it is you. it is about knowing all these things and at the end of the day you accept it all-- the trivial, the tedious, the decay included with all the grandiosity of love-- and you simply take it one day at a time.
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    Dec 10, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
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    Dec 10, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    calibro saidtrue love is a fake ideal.


    thats a fallacy, because, that can be said about any ideal. and it would be crazy to say all ideals are fake.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE that isn't to say there is anything fake about love, but for the most part love is mundane
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    just because practical reality gives the feeling of being mundane does not mean true love is mundane.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    it is not how hollywood makes it seem.

    hollywood itself is fake actually.


    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERElove is also quiet. it is knowing he never screws on the toothpaste cap and so you do it for him. it is knowing how he likes his coffee and that the doctor said he needs to watch his sodium so you make his lunch for work. it is eating that flavorless lunch someone made for you. you come to learn to be ok with things that once creeped you out like farting in bed. you learn to do things you don't enjoy because compromise is important. you trust the person you're with in ways no sane person should. love is individual and unique. there will be times when you do things when no sane person would forgive you but he does. it is about reminding him tomorrow is his mother's birthday and him being the one who deals with car problems. it is a lot of teamwork in a deal where you both do the most work in. it is knowing he can't sleep when the door isn't closed because the faint light from the kitchen appliances keeps him up. it is saving the receipt from the restaurant on the first date you went out on. it is about knowing there are truths and there are lies. it is about knowing you smile and you will cry. it is about knowing one of you will die first and the odd silver lining of what that means if it is you. it is about knowing all these things and at the end of the day you accept it all-- the trivial, the tedious, the decay included with all the grandiosity of love-- and you simply take it one day at a time.
    well, there is no harm in telling him what annoys you. keeping quiet is the wrong strategy. its seems like there is no chance for growth.

    so is true love about balance as well?
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    Dec 10, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak saidliterally it could also mean
    he could be happy about the wrong things
    i wouldn't be happy with him, if i truly loved him. the usual sign for the existence of true love (friendship?) in such a situation, as taken in eastern cultures, is to become unhappy towards him [in order to express your dismay, and for him to change towards right]

    so true love is also about true friendship?

    true friendship? most definitely!
    However, I was aiming more at selflessness of true love and loving unconditionally, while your version already has a filter for "good" and "bad".
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    Dec 10, 2011 4:59 PM GMT
    i cannot for an atom's worth imagine true love without the filter of 'good'and 'bad'
    you can never love 'bad' in the person you truly love. keeping quiet would be betrayal to him/her.
    self-lessness can mean you do something for the other for the sake of his/her uprightness
    if you be quiet about his ills [that annoy you personally as well] but did not correct him for his sake, not for the sake of removing your annoyance, then you are not self-less. you are selfish, because you did not think about his well-being, but thought about yourself or something you wanted
    the best friend is one that points you to your mistakes
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    Dec 10, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak said
    calibro saidtrue love is a fake ideal.


    thats a fallacy, because, that can be said about any ideal. and it would be crazy to say all ideals are fake.

    [quote] that isn't to say there is anything fake about love, but for the most part love is mundane.


    just because practical reality gives the feeling of being mundane does not mean true love is mundane.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    it is not how hollywood makes it seem.

    hollywood itself is fake actually.


    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERElove is also quiet. it is knowing he never screws on the toothpaste cap and so you do it for him. it is knowing how he likes his coffee and that the doctor said he needs to watch his sodium so you make his lunch for work. it is eating that flavorless lunch someone made for you. you come to learn to be ok with things that once creeped you out like farting in bed. you learn to do things you don't enjoy because compromise is important. you trust the person you're with in ways no sane person should. love is individual and unique. there will be times when you do things when no sane person would forgive you but he does. it is about reminding him tomorrow is his mother's birthday and him being the one who deals with car problems. it is a lot of teamwork in a deal where you both do the most work in. it is knowing he can't sleep when the door isn't closed because the faint light from the kitchen appliances keeps him up. it is saving the receipt from the restaurant on the first date you went out on. it is about knowing there are truths and there are lies. it is about knowing you smile and you will cry. it is about knowing one of you will die first and the odd silver lining of what that means if it is you. it is about knowing all these things and at the end of the day you accept it all-- the trivial, the tedious, the decay included with all the grandiosity of love-- and you simply take it one day at a time.
    well, there is no harm in telling him what annoys you. keeping quiet is the wrong strategy. its seems like there is no chance for growth.

    so is true love about balance as well?[/quote]

    1. what i said is not a fallacy. what you actually used as an explanation of fallacy is a fallacy called a straw man argument. i teach fallacies at a university (and no, this is not a fallacy of authority because i have merit in my authority) so i know what i'm talking about. you also commit the fallacy of prepitio precipii by assuming the presence of true love and somehow having the ability to define it (or in your case what it's not)... which is totally stupid because you created a thread asking about it.

    2. you're a cherry-picking, straw man idiot. i never said hollywood was real or fake (for starters). but since you brought it up, hollywood is real... the realities they make are fake. that's like saying toni morrison isn't real because she writes fiction. so moving away from the stupidity of your comment, my original comment was love is not the same as hollywood portrays it to be.

    3. you're a troll who is fishing for answers. you're young and have no idea what love is.
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    Dec 10, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    thankyou for your reply calibro

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    Dec 10, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    SoroushBabak saidi cannot for an atom's worth imagine true love without the filter of 'good'and 'bad' you can never love 'bad' in the person you truly love.

    philosophically I can, however in real life I absolutely agree with you. This only goes to show that ideals have no practical relevance.
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    Dec 10, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    honestly,

    Movies, books, and everything in between has created a 'fantasy' of what 'true love' is and because of that, it has distorted what 'love' should be for millions of people. Relationships are hard and take time, hard work, and dedication..much like working out and working in general.

    Everyone's definition of love is different. It can be as simple as your partner giving your neck rubs after a long day, or little things like leaving a cute note on a pillow when you wake up in the morning. There is no prince fucking charming to sweep you off your feet and take care of you for the rest of your life.

    So my recommendation, don't have high expectations for 'true love'. Focus on yourself, find a boyfriend, and work hard to keep it. My definition of true love, is two people who been together for years and each put equal effort into the relationship and expanding their life together.