Is drug USE always bad?

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    Dec 11, 2011 12:19 PM GMT
    I know that drug addiction is always looked upon as being a bad thing... most people, upon effects of the drugs, steal, lie, have very promiscuous sex, and fall distant from relative.


    I have been curious for a while, because i actually know people who do none of the above. They don't steal, lie, or do the sex thing (not that the drug doesn't make them horny, but they know what the outcomes from promiscuous sex can be and can make good decisions even though they may be fu*ked up.)

    These people don't do drugs everyday, they're just more inclined to do them on weekends, just like people drink alcohol on weekends, except they replace the alcohol with some lines of cocaine or MDMA. So instead of drinking, well, you get the point.

    Is that even addiction? Ive heard that experts usually call them drug abusers instead of drug addicts.... but people that drink every weekend aren't considered alcohol abusers?

    I almost would rather hang out with my friends who do the drugs than the people that drink... the "drug abusers" can still hold a conversation (even with more insight at that).. still drive appropriately, and are quite the artists. Whats your take?
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    Dec 11, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
    Drugs are bad, as are the people who use them.

    That is all.
  • sbwlguy

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    Dec 11, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    Any addiction is bad.
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    Dec 11, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    wow.
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    Dec 11, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    FrostedFlakes saidDrugs are bad, as are the people who use them.

    That is all.


    "gay acts are bad, as well as anyone who is gay."
  • cowboyathlete

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    Dec 11, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    sbwlguy saidAny addiction is bad.
    Exactly
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    Doesn't sound like an addiction to me.

    And be prepared to weed out the self-righteous responses that some people are gonna throw out there like. "all addiction is bad."

    Some people just don't understand situational circumstance.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    well why take the risk of damaging your body by the drug poison , i (in my opinion) find it soo stupid to take that risk even if it was small. im sure its not 100% chance that your body gonna survive after every "weekend" .

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    Dec 11, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    That's your argument? The same can be said about getting in a vehicle and driving, getting on an airplane and flying, even exercising too much can be a "health risk" depending on what your body is able to sustain.

    That really is a lame ass argument, man.

    mewooo111 saidwell why take the risk of damaging your body by the drug poison , i (in my opinion) find it soo stupid to take that risk even if it was small. im sure its not 100% chance that your body gonna survive after every "weekend" .

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    Dec 11, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    "These people don't do drugs everyday, they're just more inclined to do them on weekends, just like people drink alcohol on weekends, except they replace the alcohol with some lines of cocaine or MDMA. So instead of drinking, well, you get the point."


    The drugs you describe are in no way safe; they're street drugs and can be
    (often are) cut with other substances, as well as produced in septic or contaminated environments, unlike that alcoholic beverage on the store shelf.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 11, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    Drugs do not take you anywhere good. The use of them has a way of coming back to bite one in the ASS eventually, whether it be in the form of an addiction, an arrest, an overdose, etc. People who do them will find 1000 different ways to somehow justify doing so, but the fact of the matter is that IF you depend on a chemical to help you have a good time -- and ESPECIALLY if you're addicted -- you are fooling yourself to pretend that it is anything BUT a bad thing.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    I smoked weed and did some coke, got fucked up alot when I was young.

    I know people who continue to smoke, I am told the weed is much more potent than in the day. As long as everything is cool and it doesn't cause problems in thier lives, WTF have fun.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
    http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-12/majority-us-cocaine-supply-cut-veterinary-deworming-drug


    and

    http://www.actoronto.org/home.nsf/pages/ecstasy

    " Ecstasy pills (E) can contain a wide variety of substances. Some pills contain MDMA, others contain MDMA mixed with other drugs, and some contain other drugs but no MDMA at all. Chemical analysis has found ingredients including: PMA; DXM; PCP; ketamine; caffeine; ephedrine; methamphetamine. Why? Because demand is greater than supply. Manufacturers therefore substitute other ingredients to mimic the effects of MDMA. MDMA is manufactured illegally and it is hard to find the ingredients needed and often cheaper to use alternatives. "
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    Okay...there are more than a few self-righteous responses than I estimated...

    ULMatt...don't listen to these people who come across as having been high-water kids. Addiction to something, drugs or otherwise, is not the same as just doing on the weekends like you would have a beer. Not always does social use turn into addiction either, like some here seem to think.

    You know what you're seeing and experiencing. That should be enough.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    I consider any addiction a weakness. It means you are subordinate to some external thing, that makes you no longer in charge of your own life.

    I've had friends (and one ex-BF in particular) who were addicted to nicotine. Every hour or so they had to light-up, and when that was in a place where that wasn't permitted, they had to excuse themselves and go outside. And so, to not be inconsiderate, I had to go outside with them to keep them company, often in the freezing cold.

    What if I said to YOU: "I have to go outside and stand in the icy cold for about 5 minutes. Why don't you interrupt watching the stage show and come with me while I get my nicotine fix?"

    Or just sit there by myself like a selfish jerk while my guy goes out by himself? I always chose to be with my guy, because the alternative would be an unforgivable breach of manners.

    But I did have to wonder why he didn't also realize his own selfish behavior was beyond the pale. Such is the definition of addiction: all about me, nothing about others. Therefore I avoid addicts, because it is always bad for everyone but the addict himself, at least in his own mind.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    Any addiction leads to consequences.

    There is such thing as casual drug users.

    Lots of people use cocaine, meth, and other hard drugs once or twice a month and never become addicted. (not condoning that but just because some one does it every once in a while certainly does not make them an addict).
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    There is a difference between natural drugs and the "hard" stuff....

    Cocaine comes from the coca leaf, which is traditionally used to make coca tea...the coca leaf is said to give one strength and energy

    A comparison would be eating fruit, or chugging down a huge amount of refined white sugar....

    One is going to be very healthy for your body, the other, is just going to make you fat, tired, miserable feeling

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    Dec 11, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    I am not advocating doing drugs, I agree life is so much better without drugs.

    The OP isn't asking if he should do drugs, but about hangin with this group of friends over the people who get drunk.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:54 PM GMT
    This is a discussion that needs to be had, honestly. People tend to be very polarizing or dishonest about this subject. Truth is, drugs are really fun and often times amazing,but people never tell you that. People always say drugs are bad etc. and that is a disservice to you. But remember, that fun, comes with a price and the price of admission is really not worth the ride. Yes, they're fun, but all sorts of negatives are attached to the experience. Health risks, risk of getting arrested, addiction etc. Drugs can enhance your experience but they also take a toll on your body. As someone who has lived a long crazy life, I would recommend that you try to get through life without them. You'll feel a lot better about yourself in the long run, plus your body with be in a more pure state physically. But if you do decide to do them, do them, but don't punish yourself with guilt and shame or let others say you're a bad person etc. Everything in life is an experience. If you really want to try them, try them, but be smart. Be in a safe environment with people you trust. Tell yourself if you have a good time, it may have to be the last because you made the agreement just to experience the one time. Keep an open mind, be safe and be smart.
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    Dec 11, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    perhaps u might change the heading 2: Is drug USE always bad?

    i think most everyone agrees that drug addiction isn't good.
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:02 PM GMT

    IF the drugs in question were safely produced, then there is less risk with experimentation. However, the reality is that the production of them is unsafe and consumption of them a game of russian roulette.

    So, do any of you know what the costs to your healthcare system for treatment of these contaminated drugs are?

    Next time you're hit with a premium increase on your health insurance, consider this.

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    Dec 11, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    I love ecstasy but rarely use it, maybe a handful of times per year.

    Addiction to anything though like other posters have said is not a good thing.
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    I know a meth addict who has sex for money. Last Saturday night, after having been awake for a few days on meth, went to this older guy's (paying client) house.

    They had decided before he went there that the older and very hung client would fuck him for the first time. To make it easier for him to take the guy's large cock, when he got to the client's house the client gave him Extasy and Poppers.

    The client did not use a condom nor had my friend used a condom when he had previously fucked this guy. My friend said he was so high that he thinks he passed/blacked out while he was being fucked by his client. So my friend has no idea if the client came inside him.

    I was so mad when he told me this. He said he did not want to get fucked by this guy again but could not say whether he would or would not go back to this client's house. That is what drug addiction can do. So I'd say it's definitely a bad thing.
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    You're talking about health insurance and premium increase...but you aren't mentioning the real addiction problems...pharmaceutical pills.

    You wanna see a real addiction? Try someone who can't go a day without popping 3-4 bars. Ever seen anyone addicted to oxycontin? Ever seen someone who's method of choice for o.c. to be intravenously? That's a real addiction. Those are real problems...not people who are bumping lines on the weekend with their friends....


    meninlove said
    IF the drugs in question were safely produced, then there is less risk with experimentation. However, the reality is that the production of them is unsafe and consumption of them a game of russian roulette.

    So, do any of you know what the costs to your healthcare system for treatment of these contaminated drugs are?

    Next time you're hit with a premium increase on your health insurance, consider this.

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    Dec 11, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidYou're talking about health insurance and premium increase...but you aren't mentioning the real addiction problems...pharmaceutical pills.

    You wanna see a real addiction? Try someone who can't go a day without popping 3-4 bars. Ever seen anyone addicted to oxycontin? Ever seen someone who's method of choice for o.c. to be intravenously? That's a real addiction. Those are real problems...not people who are bumping lines on the weekend with their friends....


    meninlove said
    IF the drugs in question were safely produced, then there is less risk with experimentation. However, the reality is that the production of them is unsafe and consumption of them a game of russian roulette.

    So, do any of you know what the costs to your healthcare system for treatment of these contaminated drugs are?

    Next time you're hit with a premium increase on your health insurance, consider this.




    Confederate ghost, I am not talking about addiction but safety of street drugs.

    People get addicted to coffee for Pete's sake, but it's not cut with dewormer or crystal meth made in some dirty basement.