A Man Told Me I Have No Right to Celebrate Christmas

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    Dec 11, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    So I live in a very progressive city and in a very progressive part of town also, so I was blown away by this random encounter I had yesterday. I figured you guys would be full of opinions on this. icon_smile.gif

    So I'm in my front yard yesterday building a pretty ambitious Christmas decoration project. It involved a lot of grapevines and dead tree branches. As I'm assembling this, a man approached me to strike up a conversation. Looking back, I could tell he had an agenda from half a block away, but assuming the best, I very politely engaged his questions.....

    Stranger: What you building there?
    Me: It's going to be Christmas decorations.
    Stranger: Looks like you're building a manger for Jesus.
    Me: (Smiling) No, it won't be a manger.
    Stranger: Seems like that would be a good thing to make since it's his birthday.
    Me: (Looking at him to make sure he's serious) Yeah, that's a good idea but I don't think I want anything quite that literal.
    Stranger: Yeah, it seems no one wants to remember why we celebrate Christmas. Did you know Christmas is named after him? You know, "Christ" -mas? (Getting sarcastic)
    Me: (Chuckling in disbelief) Well, I'm not a Christian but I have my own reasons for celebrating Christmas. Sorry if that offends you.
    Stranger: Well it does offend me. (Getting angry) You have no right to celebrate Christmas if you're an Atheist! (Raising his voice)
    Me: (Putting down my tools) Sir, first of all, I'm not an Atheist, and second of all how I decorate my fucking home is none of your business. I think you should keep walking.

    I can't believe this guy had the nerve to approach a total stranger like this. I celebrate Christmas more to relive childhood memories of the season, not because of the literal meaning. Do you agree this guy was out of line or what?



  • rnch

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    Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Scruffypup said...Me: (Putting down my tools) Sir, first of all, I'm not an Atheist, and second of all how I decorate my fucking home is none of your business. I think you should keep walking...
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    You did the best thing: a mixture of indignation mixed with just enough hint of threat to let him know to mind his own f'ing business.
    Congratulations.
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    Glad u kept ur cool, he was totally out of line.
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    Dec 11, 2011 4:59 PM GMT
    I'm still puzzled why the guy thought you were an atheist. Just because you aren't Christian, or what? Does this guy live near you?

    In any case, excellent come back.

    (Heck, I'd be almost tempted to decorate the house for all denominational holidays icon_cool.gif and see if he'd return.)
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:04 PM GMT
    I wish I could have been there...I love the expression on people's faces that betray what's racing through their minds in a clutch moment like that.

    Oh...priceless.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    Fundies do NOT have normal reasoning functions in the brain.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    carnut saidI'm still puzzled why the guy thought you were an atheist. Just because you aren't Christian, or what? Does this guy live near you?

    In any case, excellent come back.

    (Heck, I'd be almost tempted to decorate the house for all denominational holidays icon_cool.gif and see if he'd return.)




    Believe it or not, some people really do think in such black and white terms. And my experience has told me that many people think "Atheist" and "Agnostic" are interchangeable terms! I've never seen the guy before, so don't know if he lives near me or not. Also, I'm guessing if he does live in the neighborhood, he probably already hates me for my Halloween decorations I put out each year as his little mind probably views that as Satanic. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSo I live in a very progressive city and in a very progressive part of town also, so I was blown away by this random encounter I had yesterday. I figured you guys would be full of opinions on this. icon_smile.gif

    So I'm in my front yard yesterday building a pretty ambitious Christmas decoration project. It involved a lot of grapevines and dead tree branches. As I'm assembling this, a man approached me to strike up a conversation. Looking back, I could tell he had an agenda from half a block away, but assuming the best, I very politely engaged his questions.....

    Stranger: What you building there?
    Me: It's going to be Christmas decorations.
    Stranger: Looks like you're building a manger for Jesus.
    Me: (Smiling) No, it won't be a manger.
    Stranger: Seems like that would be a good thing to make since it's his birthday.
    Me: (Looking at him to make sure he's serious) Yeah, that's a good idea but I don't think I want anything quite that literal.
    Stranger: Yeah, it seems no one wants to remember why we celebrate Christmas. Did you know Christmas is named after him? You know, "Christ" -mas? (Getting sarcastic)
    Me: (Chuckling in disbelief) Well, I'm not a Christian but I have my own reasons for celebrating Christmas. Sorry if that offends you.
    Stranger: Well it does offend me. (Getting angry) You have no right to celebrate Christmas if you're an Atheist! (Raising his voice)
    Me: (Putting down my tools) Sir, first of all, I'm not an Atheist, and second of all how I decorate my fucking home is none of your business. I think you should keep walking.

    I can't believe this guy had the nerve to approach a total stranger like this. I celebrate Christmas more to relive childhood memories of the season, not because of the literal meaning. Do you agree this guy was out of line or what?






    This is when I would have thrown the Bible in his face.:
    "Well, you do know that Christmas isn't literally celebrating the birth of Jesus? No one knows factually when he was born... As for the holiday, it all began in ancient Rome when Messianism was still illegal, so the Messianists celebrated his birth on an already existing pagan holiday celebrating the birth of that specific god.. Also, Santa, and the Yule tree are both Pagan concepts thieved by Christians, as are 98% of the things from Christianity. Take the life story of Jesus compared to Horus of Ancient Egyptian religion. Both identically the same.. So now tell me who shouldn't be celebrating this holiday. That's right, go back to your consumerist, ignorant ways and keep buying "Christmas gifts" all in the spirit of making money for greedy corporations you dumb christian fuck. Happy Kwanza."
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    That strangers comments had to be the biggest piece of stupid I have ever read.

    Good for you for not kicking his ass all over your yard.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
    wow...this guy sounds like a major assholes. Kudos for you not kicking his ass...i don't know if I would have the same restraint.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    What an asshole ! Good for you for telling him off ! People like that are just do dumb - they shouldn't celebrate Christmas because they apparently forget the primary message of Christianity anyways ...
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    ..santa's going to take a dump in his chimney instead of giving him coal this year... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    "Actually sir, it's not a manger. It's a cross. Would you like to be Jesus and hang from it?"
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    Maybe he didn't quite has an issue with the decorating, but rather the fact that you're gay... Homophobia comes in many forms.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM GMT

    I hate to go conspiracy here, but I think there is some weird vibe coming from this full moon or something icon_eek.gif

    I have seen and dealt with some crazy shit from random strangers and even friends/relatives over the past few days too.....including being verbally assaulted by an on duty police officer icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSo I live in a very progressive city and in a very progressive part of town also, so I was blown away by this random encounter I had yesterday. I figured you guys would be full of opinions on this. icon_smile.gif

    So I'm in my front yard yesterday building a pretty ambitious Christmas decoration project. It involved a lot of grapevines and dead tree branches. As I'm assembling this, a man approached me to strike up a conversation. Looking back, I could tell he had an agenda from half a block away, but assuming the best, I very politely engaged his questions.....

    Stranger: What you building there?
    Me: It's going to be Christmas decorations.
    Stranger: Looks like you're building a manger for Jesus.
    Me: (Smiling) No, it won't be a manger.
    Stranger: Seems like that would be a good thing to make since it's his birthday.
    Me: (Looking at him to make sure he's serious) Yeah, that's a good idea but I don't think I want anything quite that literal.
    Stranger: Yeah, it seems no one wants to remember why we celebrate Christmas. Did you know Christmas is named after him? You know, "Christ" -mas? (Getting sarcastic)
    Me: (Chuckling in disbelief) Well, I'm not a Christian but I have my own reasons for celebrating Christmas. Sorry if that offends you.
    Stranger: Well it does offend me. (Getting angry) You have no right to celebrate Christmas if you're an Atheist! (Raising his voice)
    Me: (Putting down my tools) Sir, first of all, I'm not an Atheist, and second of all how I decorate my fucking home is none of your business. I think you should keep walking.

    I can't believe this guy had the nerve to approach a total stranger like this. I celebrate Christmas more to relive childhood memories of the season, not because of the literal meaning. Do you agree this guy was out of line or what?






    This guy is a progressive piece of garbage. Kudos to you for keeping your cool.



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    Dec 11, 2011 5:55 PM GMT
    You're goin to hell. Pack light.
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    Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM GMT
    BiItalianBro said
    I hate to go conspiracy here, but I think there is some weird vibe coming from this full moon or something icon_eek.gif

    I have seen and dealt with some crazy shit from random strangers and even friends/relatives over the past few days too.....including being verbally assaulted by an on duty police officer icon_confused.gif


    I mean it's a proven fact that the moon greatly impacts all life on earth. The seasons, the oceans, etc. If it moves water, and wolves howl at it when it's full, why wouldn't it affect humans in some way? No conspiracy.
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    Dec 11, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    haha the really ironic thing is that "christmas" actually started as a pagan winter festival. The church chose dec 25th not because it was actually christ's birthday but because people were already celebrating and it was convenient for them to usurp a festival instead of trying to start up a brand new one.

    I'm impressed that you kept your cool, op, i would have gone all factual on him.
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    Dec 11, 2011 6:02 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThe guy was out of line. First and last, Jesus did not ask that his birthday day be celebrated, he asked that his last supper be mimicked in his memory.


    Fuck that. I am not hosting a sit down dinner for 12.
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    Dec 11, 2011 6:03 PM GMT
    Where are the pics? icon_biggrin.gif

  • DesireIron

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    Dec 11, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    Scruffypup saidSo I live in a very progressive city and in a very progressive part of town also, so I was blown away by this random encounter I had yesterday. I figured you guys would be full of opinions on this. icon_smile.gif

    So I'm in my front yard yesterday building a pretty ambitious Christmas decoration project. It involved a lot of grapevines and dead tree branches. As I'm assembling this, a man approached me to strike up a conversation. Looking back, I could tell he had an agenda from half a block away, but assuming the best, I very politely engaged his questions.....

    Stranger: What you building there?
    Me: It's going to be Christmas decorations.
    Stranger: Looks like you're building a manger for Jesus.
    Me: (Smiling) No, it won't be a manger.
    Stranger: Seems like that would be a good thing to make since it's his birthday.
    Me: (Looking at him to make sure he's serious) Yeah, that's a good idea but I don't think I want anything quite that literal.
    Stranger: Yeah, it seems no one wants to remember why we celebrate Christmas. Did you know Christmas is named after him? You know, "Christ" -mas? (Getting sarcastic)
    Me: (Chuckling in disbelief) Well, I'm not a Christian but I have my own reasons for celebrating Christmas. Sorry if that offends you.
    Stranger: Well it does offend me. (Getting angry) You have no right to celebrate Christmas if you're an Atheist! (Raising his voice)
    Me: (Putting down my tools) Sir, first of all, I'm not an Atheist, and second of all how I decorate my fucking home is none of your business. I think you should keep walking.

    I can't believe this guy had the nerve to approach a total stranger like this. I celebrate Christmas more to relive childhood memories of the season, not because of the literal meaning. Do you agree this guy was out of line or what?






    This guy is a regressive piece of garbage. Kudos to you for keeping your cool.



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    Dec 11, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 said
    AMoonHawk saidblah blah blah


    Fuck that. I am not hosting a sit down dinner for 12.


    I second that.
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    Dec 11, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThe guy was out of line. First and last, Jesus did not ask that his birthday day be celebrated, he asked that his last supper be mimicked in his memory.

    Actually, those words weren't written by Luke. They were added later by some Antidocetic scribe to give a scriptural basis to support that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine. Docetics held that Jesus was only wholly divine.

    Luke never holds that Jesus' death was necessary for salvation. In fact, when the Gospel of Mark, Luke's source for his gospel, states that Jesus' death was necessary for salvation, Luke leaves it out! ... icon_eek.gif