Ignorance is Bliss

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    Dec 12, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    Study after study shows that conservatives are happier than liberals. Why do you suppose this is?

    It's true: ignorance really is bliss
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/makingsense_12-09.htmlThe late comedian George Carlin's viral video answer has become a liberal credo.

    GEORGE CARLIN, comedian: The owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.


    No wonder I'm so depressed. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:21 AM GMT
    http://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm

    http://neuropolitics.org/defaultsep05.asp
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:39 AM GMT
    Its because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:44 AM GMT
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.


    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidhttp://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm

    http://neuropolitics.org/defaultsep05.asp


    Socal - How about you find something peer reviewed? Or just something that passes the "crazy uncle with a blog" laugh test?
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:47 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.


    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I am concerned about things....I just dont care about every little thing that pisses your high strung queens off.
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    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.


    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I am concerned about things....I just dont care about every little thing that pisses your high strung queens off.


    I don't own any "high strung queens", so not sure why you think they're mine. icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.


    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I am concerned about things....I just dont care about every little thing that pisses your high strung queens off.


    I don't own any "high strung queens", so not sure why you think they're mine. icon_cool.gif

    OY. Im leaning over from my bed lol

    Bitch
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    Dec 12, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidhttp://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm

    http://neuropolitics.org/defaultsep05.asp


    Socal - How about you find something peer reviewed? Or just something that passes the "crazy uncle with a blog" laugh test?

    Why don't you do a critique? Understand the challenge is it would take your time away from your 1-liners like the boy trying with fingers to keep the dike plugged.
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    Dec 12, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.


    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I am concerned about things....I just dont care about every little thing that pisses your high strung queens off.


    I don't own any "high strung queens", so not sure why you think they're mine. icon_cool.gif

    OY. Im leaning over from my bed lol

    Bitch


    C'mon that was funny. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 12, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidhttp://neuropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm

    http://neuropolitics.org/defaultsep05.asp


    Socal - How about you find something peer reviewed? Or just something that passes the "crazy uncle with a blog" laugh test?

    Why don't you do a critique? Understand the challenge is it would take your time away from your 1-liners like the boy trying with fingers to keep the dike plugged.


    I'm not a psychologist, so it would be layperson critique at best. Nor do I have the time or the inclination to do so.
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    Dec 12, 2011 5:58 AM GMT
    well all that nearly proves the point

    ignorance really is bliss
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    Dec 12, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
    http://www.livescience.com/7486-conservatives-happier-liberals.html
    ...right-wing individuals reported greater life satisfaction and well-being than left-wingers, the new study found. Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person's tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities....

    ...If your beliefs don't justify gaps in status, you could be left frustrated and disheartened, according to the researchers, Jaime Napier and John Jost of New York University. They conducted a U.S.-centric survey and a more internationally focused one to arrive at the findings.

    "Our research suggests that inequality takes a greater psychological toll on liberals than on conservatives," the researchers write in the June issue of the journal Psychological Science, "apparently because liberals lack ideological rationalizations that would help them frame inequality in a positive (or at least neutral) light."


    "Travel makes you wiser but less happy"~~Thomas Jefferson

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    Dec 13, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidIts because I choose to not go around agitated and pissed off about every single "injustice" that comes along.

    Or any.... icon_rolleyes.gif

    I am concerned about things....I just dont care about every little thing that pisses your high strung queens off.

    I don't own any "high strung queens", so not sure why you think they're mine. icon_cool.gif

    OY. Im leaning over from my bed lol
    Bitch

    C'mon that was funny. icon_lol.gif

    I thought it was funny.
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    Dec 13, 2011 3:32 AM GMT
    Liberals wake up in the morning angry and bitter. They play the "victim". Nothing ever goes right for them and they need the government to fix it. Well, people who play the "victim" are never going to be successful in life.

    I have always enjoyed be around Conservatives more. I like being around positive people. I like being around people who have worked hard. I like picking up on things hard working people did to achieve the American Dream.

    In my life I have been called some nasty and negative things by liberals (while I dont agree with their ideology, I'm really put off by their attitudes).

    So yes I would agree that Conservatives are much happier than Liberals.
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    Dec 13, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said...So yes I would agree that Conservatives are much happier than Liberals.

    There are some exceptions, but consistent with the study whose link I posted above, conservatives have less anxiety and other personality disorders, and are stronger in goal seeking characteristics. They are more confident, championing the capability of the individual, while the liberals consider themselves as individuals to be weak, relying on hand-outs, and wanting the Government to take from the successful and give to them. They are bitter, obsessed with the fact that those who worked for what they have, or inherited it, have more. They can't stand it. So naturally, the liberals are all about protest and misery. If you see the threads in the other folder I posted, "A day in the life..." you will see exactly how personality disorders manifest themselves.
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    Dec 13, 2011 3:56 AM GMT
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said...So yes I would agree that Conservatives are much happier than Liberals.

    There are some exceptions, but consistent with the study whose link I posted above, conservatives have less anxiety and other personality disorders, and are stronger in goal seeking characteristics. They are more confident, championing the capability of the individual, while the liberals consider themselves as individuals to be weak, relying on hand-outs, and wanting the Government to take from the successful and give to them. They are bitter, obsessed with the fact that those who worked for what they have, or inherited it, have more. They can't stand it. So naturally, the liberals are all about protest and misery. If you see the threads in the other folder I posted, "A day in the life..." you will see exactly how personality disorders manifest themselves.
    and you're a psychologist now? You can diagnose the anonymous?

    Wow, yer good..icon_rolleyes.gif
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said...So yes I would agree that Conservatives are much happier than Liberals.

    There are some exceptions, but consistent with the study whose link I posted above, conservatives have less anxiety and other personality disorders, and are stronger in goal seeking characteristics. They are more confident, championing the capability of the individual, while the liberals consider themselves as individuals to be weak, relying on hand-outs, and wanting the Government to take from the successful and give to them. They are bitter, obsessed with the fact that those who worked for what they have, or inherited it, have more. They can't stand it. So naturally, the liberals are all about protest and misery. If you see the threads in the other folder I posted, "A day in the life..." you will see exactly how personality disorders manifest themselves.


    Again, peer reviewed study, please... Anything?

    You probably find the ex-gay "studies" to be quite refreshing as well.

    The primary reasons liberals are less self-satisfied than conservatives is empathy and sympathy. If you live in a country where six people have the same net worth as the bottom 100 million Americans, and you realize how much those bottom 100 million are suffering in the wealthiest country on earth because people like the aforementioned six have hired lobbyists and bought off politicians to rig the tax code in their favor, you might be perturbed.

    Or, you can create a self-deluding rationalization, that those six people, all of whom inherited their wealth and did nothing to earn it, deserve it because some ancestor figured out a way to convince Americans whose jobs were being outsourced the ancestors friends - one of whom is running for president - that they're okay because they can buy cheap shit from China that breaks in the first year, but that means you've really had to work at being the world's biggest sucker.

    Or you're a sociopath.

    Take your pick.
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    Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM GMT
    Christian73 said... Or, you can create a self-deluding rationalization, that those six people, all of whom inherited their wealth and did nothing to earn it, deserve it because some ancestor figured out a way to convince Americans whose jobs were being outsourced the ancestors friends -

    If it were empathy and sympathy, you would be open to a private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need, without mass government takeover and forced class equalization. Most of what you wrote is the typical liberal trope, but the bolded part is interesting because it reflects the liberal attitude that inherited wealth is not deserved, that the state has justification via extreme inheritance taxes to seize the wealth from a family. You believe the family unit is relatively unimportant suggesting that what one generation of a family earns should not stay in the family, and that the state is justified seizing the wealth. It is one of the differences between classical socialists of old who have a government that will seize assets from a family using the military and socialists of new who seek to accomplish the same via taxes and regulations. Birds of a feather, socialists.
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    Christian73 said... Or, you can create a self-deluding rationalization, that those six people, all of whom inherited their wealth and did nothing to earn it, deserve it because some ancestor figured out a way to convince Americans whose jobs were being outsourced the ancestors friends -

    If it were empathy and sympathy, you would be open to a private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need, without mass government takeover and forced class equalization. Most of what you wrote is the typical liberal trope, but the bolded part is interesting because it reflects the liberal attitude that inherited wealth is not deserved, that the state has justification via extreme inheritance taxes to seize the wealth from a family. You believe the family unit is relatively unimportant suggesting that what one generation of a family earns should not stay in the family, and that the state is justified seizing the wealth. It is one of the differences between classical socialists of old who have a government that will seize assets from a family using the military and socialists of new who seek to accomplish the same via taxes and regulations. Birds of a feather, socialists.


    Ummm, John, democratic socialism is a "private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need", or what American had until the right-wing started a three decade campaign to dismantle the New Deal and the Great Society programs.

    I come from a large, closely-knit, multi-generational family and do not oppose inheritance but also don't think anyone deserves to strike it rich solely by birth. An inheritance tax of 30% is not onerous or out of bounds. In fact, if you're truly for individual responsibility and equality of opportunity rather than outcomes, you would be for an estate tax, instead of having a bunch of Americans who are "born on third base and think they hit a triple."
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    Dec 13, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
    Christian73 said... democratic socialism is a "private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need", ...

    No. First I find the term "democratic socialism" to be an oxymoron, but whatever.

    Assume 80% have health insurance, 20% do not:

    Private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need:
    1) Address insurance problems such as pre-existing conditions when someone already in an insured pool changes employers and is disqualified by the insurance company associated with the new employer.
    2) Of the 20% for those who cannot afford insurance, provide government assistance based upon their level of need.
    3) Consider the possibility of loans similar to small business loans for those who could afford insurance but chose not to get it and have a serious illness.
    4) Don't mess with the 80% who don't need government intervention except to address specific issues such as in 1)

    "Democratic" socialist approach:
    1) Seek a single-payer solution which means government takeover of the entire health insurance industry
    2) Support a public option with the intent that rules will bankrupt the private sector so that everyone will need the public-option, leading to 1)
    3) Accept if necessary a plan without a public option, but stacked so that most will be driven into government controlled exchanges, leading to the equivalent of a public option, leading to government takeover.

    Christian73 said...also don't think anyone deserves to strike it rich solely by birth. ... instead of having a bunch of Americans who are "born on third base and think they hit a triple."

    Typical liberals and socialists saying what other people deserve. Who the fuck are they to say? [no personal insults intended, referring to the group of liberals and socialists] Provides further evidence that this group is more interested in equalization, sharing the misery, then they really are in helping those at the bottom to improve. Not only is it class envy but it is a political strategy to keep those at the bottom from believing they can succeed if given a chance, versus hand-outs, keeping them at the bottom, and keeping them voting Democratic.
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    Dec 13, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said... democratic socialism is a "private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need", ...

    No. First I find the term "democratic socialism" to be an oxymoron, but whatever.

    Assume 80% have health insurance, 20% do not:

    Private-sector based economy with a safety net for those in greatest need:
    1) Address insurance problems such as pre-existing conditions when someone already in an insured pool changes employers and is disqualified by the insurance company associated with the new employer.
    2) Of the 20% for those who cannot afford insurance, provide government assistance based upon their level of need.
    3) Consider the possibility of loans similar to small business loans for those who could afford insurance but chose not to get it and have a serious illness.
    4) Don't mess with the 80% who don't need government intervention except to address specific issues such as in 1)

    "Democratic" socialist approach:
    1) Seek a single-payer solution which means government takeover of the entire health insurance industry
    2) Support a public option with the intent that rules will bankrupt the private sector so that everyone will need the public-option, leading to 1)
    3) Accept if necessary a plan without a public option, but stacked so that most will be driven into government controlled exchanges, leading to the equivalent of a public option, leading to government takeover.

    Christian73 said...also don't think anyone deserves to strike it rich solely by birth. ... instead of having a bunch of Americans who are "born on third base and think they hit a triple."

    Typical liberals and socialists saying what other people deserve. Who the fuck are they to say? [no personal insults intended, referring to the group of liberals and socialists] Provides further evidence that this group is more interested in equalization, sharing the misery, then they really are in helping those at the bottom to improve. Not only is it class envy but it is a political strategy to keep those at the bottom from believing they can succeed if given a chance, versus hand-outs, keeping them at the bottom, and keeping them voting Democratic.


    Socal - I don't know if you realize it but your "Private-based Economy..." largely describes Health Care Reform as passed by the Obama administration, which you regularly decry as "socialism". None of this is surprising since HCR was based on conservative proposals for reform developed at the Heritage Foundation. That is to say that something is not "socialist" by virtue of who proposes it, a common mistake on the right. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about the Affordable Care Act and you might even want to vote for Obama next November.

    In terms of estate taxes, someone inheriting $3 billion and paying the current 35% rate ends up with $1.95 billion. That's hardly equalization, or sharing the misery. Taxation is a key part of a Democratic civil society and taxing the deceased is a relatively harmless way to gain the revenue necessary to support needed programs for those less fortunate. Now, I realize that you a) do not want to pay any taxes, ever under any circumstances because you oppose the social contract that has made the United States the greatest country in the world, and b) that you suffer from Authoritarian Personality Disorder in which "might makes right" and the powerful are seen as deserving of canonization, but that's not what this country was founded on. If you don't like it, Somalia is lovely this time of year.
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    Dec 13, 2011 2:40 PM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 saidLiberals wake up in the morning angry and bitter. They play the "victim". Nothing ever goes right for them and they need the government to fix it. Well, people who play the "victim" are never going to be successful in life.

    I have always enjoyed be around Conservatives more. I like being around positive people. I like being around people who have worked hard. I like picking up on things hard working people did to achieve the American Dream.

    In my life I have been called some nasty and negative things by liberals (while I dont agree with their ideology, I'm really put off by their attitudes).

    So yes I would agree that Conservatives are much happier than Liberals.


    THIS.

    Also, liberals are worse in bed than conservatives.
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    Dec 13, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidSocal - I don't know if you realize it but your "Private-based Economy..." largely describes Health Care Reform as passed by the Obama administration, which you regularly decry as "socialism".

    Absurd on its face. Anyone looking at the two categories of approaches know exactly where Obamacare falls.

    Your comments on the inheritance tax issue, aside from being childish and emotional, reflect the basic income redistribution attitudes that the left loves. All about focusing on class disparity instead of helping those with greatest need. Ignores the basic fact that wealth is not a zero sum game. To some degree deliberate as it feeds into the class warfare argument.