Congressman Dennis Kucinich Introduced 35 Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush on Monday Night

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    Jun 10, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    icon_exclaim.gifAmerican Citizens - this is important - please take action - take part!!
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    http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoftruth.pdf

    Congressman Dennis Kucinich Introduced 35 Articles of Impeachment Against President Bush on Monday Night

    TUESDAY EVENING: The Clerk of the House is expected to read the articles of impeachment, which should take about 5 hours, at the conclusion of which Rep. Kucinich will make a motion. Watch C-Span! http://c-span.org/

    Rep. Robert Wexler is the first to cosponsor and will be on Keith Olbermann today.

    CALL THE MEDIA!
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    Email Your Congress Member - Congress has 72 hours to table it, send it to committee, pass it, or reject it.
    http://www.democrats.com/35-articles-of-impeachment

    The full text of the articles is available at:
    http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/amomentoftruth.pdf

    Extensive documentation to accompany each article will be posted later today. Watch these websites:
    http://kucinich.us

    http://democrats.com

    http://afterdowningstreet.org
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 10, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    I think impeachment of both President Bush and V.P. Cheney is an excellent idea. However the problem is that the democrats that control both houses of Congress are very lukewarm to impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. Republicans obviously are firmly opposed to impeachment because of severe damage that could be done to the GOP. I wish the democrats that are currently in office would rise up to the occasion and seriously consider impeachment proceedings against this horrendous administration.
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    Jun 10, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    Well, none of Congressman Kucinich's articles are nearly as serious as consensual oral sex so I am sure the powers will turn a blind eye on Kucinich (one of the few defenders our constitution has).
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    Jun 11, 2008 3:21 AM GMT
    The fact that they have not already impeached him over signing statements is ridiculous. I don't know why the press and the mainstream Democrats are not giving this any traction. Obama and McCain should be required to express their opinions on it. I really don't see how anyone could disagree with almost any of the articles. Torture, imprisonment of children without trial, lying to start a war. Anyone in congress who does not take this seriously is an idiot.
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    Jun 11, 2008 4:28 AM GMT
    I just spent 45 minutes reading the articles of impeachment.
    I personally think it is a waist of our governments time and money. Congress should be addressing many other issues that directly effect the American public.

    Don't forget that congress approved it and the funding and some of them had direct access to CIA and FBI covert information on Iraq.

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    Jun 11, 2008 4:53 AM GMT
    ...aaaaaand the do-nothing Democratic-controlled Congress continues to waste time and resources, while complaining about Republicans and Bush doing the same... Nice...

    Thank you, Lord Littleton: Your Articles of Impeachment will do nothing but (1) ensure that Bush's poll ratings will finally go up some; (2) stir up enough of the so-far-this-election-season lazy-ass Republicans to get behind John McCain and go vote in November; and (3) piss off moderate Independents who see though this crap and will start siding with Republicans.

    While Republicans will certainly not re-take Congress in November, their further losses will be slowed or stopped completely by foolish charades such as this and Tuesday's absurd attempt to pass "windfall oil profit taxes". (Costs of which would have been passed on to us, the consumers, by these big, bad oil companies. Meanwhile, Democrats continue to refuse to let us drill for oil off Florida and in B.F.E., Alaska.)
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 11, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    Talk about a gigantic waste of the congress' time. Kucinich is obviously just as delusional now as he was thinking he had an ice cube's chance in HELL of ever being elected President. The guy is so starved for attention.
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    Jun 11, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    Kucinich is merely an embarrassment to himself and the country. What an absolute imbecile.
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    Jun 11, 2008 5:43 AM GMT
    It's just a little too late for this. I'm doubting any massive democratic support to this either. Better it just fade in distant memory.
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    Jun 11, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    stonecoldfoxboy said Thank you, Lord Littleton: Your Articles of Impeachment will do nothing but (1) ensure that Bush's poll ratings will finally go up some; (2) stir up enough of the so-far-this-election-season lazy-ass Republicans to get behind John McCain and go vote in November; and (3) piss off moderate Independents who see though this crap and will start siding with Republicans.


    That's so wrong it's hilarious.

    The real reason impeachment is important is not for Bush, but for the future. Anyone threatened with impeachment in the future can say, "Look, you didn't impeach Bush, the biggest criminal of his day, how dare you attempt to impeach ME?" And he'd be right.

    As to turning moderates to Republicanism, my sides hurt from laughing.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 11, 2008 5:59 AM GMT
    Nothing's going to be done not because George W Bush and Dick Cheney aren't world class war criminals and shouldn't be dragged off to sit in front of the Hague for some of their crimes but because the democrats think it's politically expedient for them not to

    At this point if you think that George W Bush has not committed high crimes and misdemeanors you've got a friggin' hole in your head
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    Jun 11, 2008 6:05 AM GMT
    Whether it's too late or not: thank God for Kucinich. He is a true patriot ... one of the best representatives that we have in Congress. I wished he were a senator. Imagine him with the power to fillibuster all the bullshit that passes as legislation from the extreme right wingers. Bush and company should be thrown in jail for all the death and destruction they've cost our country.
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    Jun 11, 2008 6:37 AM GMT
    Reg825 saidWhether it's too late or not: thank God for Kucinich. He is a true patriot ... one of the best senators that we have in Congress.

    Mr. Kucinich has never been a senator. He is a representative from Ohio (one of 24 from that state), and will likely remain as such or less until his days in politics are over.

    As for his "impeachment articles," they are in keeping with his longstanding tradition of creating lots and lots of media attention for himself, while ultimately leading to a great, big heap of nothingness. What a waste of time!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 11, 2008 11:19 AM GMT
    To imply holding these criminals accountable for their very serious crimes is a "waste of time" indicates a really troublesome view of accountability in our population.

    The CRIMES are REAL and the punishment should be swift and severe. We cannot allow the actions of these fascists to go unanswered or we will be keeping this open door propped open for unimaginable corruption and an end to executive branch accountability.

    The fate of the USA depends on the prosecution of the bush crime syndicate.
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    Jun 11, 2008 1:21 PM GMT
    They are responsible for tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, for thousands of illegal detentions, and hundreds if not thousands of torture which violates the geneva convention. I would say send them to the hague, but they don't have capital punishment anymore.

    What do you think would happen if a gay rights group of some sort engaged in a terrorist act? Or even if someone staged one and attributed it to a gay group? When the NSA is going through the RealJock membership files and showing up at your house to question you, as they did with people of the muslim faith, will you care then?
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    Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM GMT
    While I agree with the notion of the articles of impeachment (Bush and Cheney deserve impeachment for the incompetent way they put together and executed the Iraq war alone, let alone twisting intelligence to their will, signing statements, etc.), I disagree with submitting them.

    Why? It's nothing but political theatre. Kucinich knows that they won't pass, they don't have a way of passing, but know he can say he tried, even over the objections of the House leadership, and that the rest of the Congress stopped him. It'll look great for his constituency.

    On the one hand, I agree that someone should impeach him and that the Congress is the instutition for debating the great questions of our day, so simply debating the idea is constructive. However, I do agree with the early comment that it's a huge waste of time considering all the other challenges that face this nation: energy, climate change, the economy.

    As for the charge of a do-nothing Congress....I get irritated when I hear that. This Congress has passed a good number of legislation that address the serious issues of our day, but have either been blocked by the GOP in the Senate (climate change, for example) or vetoed by the president (SCHIP). Anyone who charges Congress with sitting on its hands should take that into account and vote out the GOP the next election.

    As for the idea that GW will get a sudden surge from these impeachment...laughable. Of course, there's no where to go but up with only 27% of the electorate viewing his policies favorably. Besides, the public stopped believing anything that comes out of this man's mouth about a year ago.
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    Jun 11, 2008 1:44 PM GMT
    I think they should all be in prison. But for some reason the Democratic leaders are spineless. Harry Reid is a dish rag! I think Reid, Pelosi and Hoyer need to go to, so there can be a little muscle in the Democratic Party.
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    Jun 11, 2008 1:58 PM GMT
    it saddens me to say this, but undeniably, our president is a shame and an embarrassment for our country on the international stage, and he has done more damage to our nation than any previous president. spying on Americans, lying to Congress, waging an illegal war with no legitimate reason, torturing prisoners, ignoring hurricane and pre- 9/11 warnings, ruining our economy, making decisions against the wishes and will of the nation's majority (which he's sworn to represent), and being a poor leader by not being able to speak publicly without stumbling over himself- these reasons and others listed in the impeachment documents give more than ample cause to impeach the president.

    We impeached Clinton for merely lying once in court about a private sex scandal, which in fact didn't even have anything to do with the nation at all! How much more so should we impeach this president, who has such record-breaking disapproval ratings, and who has committed so many crimes while in office for the sake of his own vendettas?

    that's what i wrote to my congress member- thanx for the link tjwdraws
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    Jun 11, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    twisterguy20 said[quote][cite]Reg825 said[/cite]Whether it's too late or not: thank God for Kucinich. He is a true patriot ... one of the best senators that we have in Congress.

    Mr. Kucinich has never been a senator. He is a representative from Ohio (one of 24 from that state), and will likely remain as such or less until his days in politics are over.

    As for his "impeachment articles," they are in keeping with his longstanding tradition of creating lots and lots of media attention for himself, while ultimately leading to a great, big heap of nothingness. What a waste of time!! icon_rolleyes.gif[/quote]

    Apparently my correction didn't go through. I guess I was too excited and clicked "submit" too quickly. I did know that he's a representative not a senator. I've been following his performance in the house of representatives for quite a while now and I have to say he's one of the few Democrats who has balls to do stuff like this. What I was going to say is that I wished he were a senator and had fillibuster power. At least he uses the media attention for good ... although now that I think about it: what media attention?!!! the corporatist mainstream media always ignores and ridicules him ... just like at the debates. Even last time when he introduced articles of impeachment against Cheney there was hardly a bleep in the media about that.
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    Jun 11, 2008 2:19 PM GMT
    Nancy Pelosi has declared impeachment "off the table" since the last Congressional election. The usual explanation for this is that far more Democrats than we realize approved Bush's criminal actions. Impeachment hearings may end up embarrassing the Dems more than anything else.

    I am more concerned about the Democrats' likely approval of a ridiculous compromise on the telecommunications bill (granting the companies retroactive immunity from prosecution). The "compromise" basically gives Bush everything he wants, once again, and insures that we will never know the whole story behind warrantless electronic eavesdropping on Americans.
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    Jun 11, 2008 2:21 PM GMT
    Yet another symbolic piece of legislation that does nothing but send a message. I love Kucinich, but he should have done this years ago when it would have made a real difference. Now it's too little too late.

    The GOP had Terry Chiavo. I guess this is the Dems version.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 11, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    Perhaps he felt it needed to be done so it would be on record. A waste of time and probably ranks along with his UFO sightings as slightly off. The time for this was 2 years ago, now it doesn't really make sense. Its time for focus on how to pick up after this disasterous president.
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    Jun 11, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    it's a nice gesture, but as the saying goes, too little, too late. the war crimes and crimes against humanity are blithely ignored or accepted for whatever psyhosis based reasoning.
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    Jun 11, 2008 4:38 PM GMT
    I think this is a waste of time...Kucinich's time would be better spent highlighting how both dems and republicans have acting in a bi-partisan way to fuck over the American people in everything from the war to current prices for foodstuffs.

    As for the Clinton impeachment, well, that just shows you how puritanical the US is: extramarital sex is unacceptable while unprovoked war fine. (As an aside, it's not for nothing that the puritanical nation also has the biggest porn industry...ironic, no?)
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    Jun 11, 2008 4:50 PM GMT
    On the fence here, but quickly tipping over to one side...

    I see where this could be a waste of time and how we should move on....However, accountability is important. And I believe that through the process of the impeachment, many things will be brought to the surface that will not only bring rats out of hiding, but also make a strong bold statement that these actions can not just be ignored. Id we do not move forward with the process, there is nothing preventing it from happening in the future. Additionally, the Bush administration has caused a political apathy among Americans. They do not feel their voice has been heard and they look at some of these atrocities as outside their power to control. It is important for the American people to feel like they are being protected and represented properly and that people are held accountable and punished for their actions.

    I mean how can we spend so much time impugning Clinton for the whole Lewinsky scandal ans say that its too late and a waste of time to hold these fools responsible for their actions. (yes I realize perjury was involved, but the original issue pales in comparison.)