HUNTSMAN-GINGRICH DEBATE

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 13, 2011 10:29 PM GMT
    Here is a link to the Huntman-Gingrich "Lincoln/Douglas-style" debate from yesterday. It leaves little doubt of the experience and knowledge that Jon Huntsman has to lead this country in the 21st Century. If either one of these end up getting the nomination, I would not be surprised if they pick the other for there V.P. running mate.

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19108836
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 13, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    I took a few minutes and listened.. did find the discussion interesting.
    I've always felt that Huntsman is a very decent person, much more knowledgeable than most of the GOP "field". Not saying I would ever vote for him, but I tend to look at him with more respect than most of the players currently running.
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    Dec 13, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    I hope people here take the time to watch the whole thing. It is extremely enlightening and educational -- and both candidates come off as gentlemen and incredibly knowledgable. If more people would have seen this I think it could have been game-changer for Huntsman.
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    Dec 14, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    I saw some of this other night when it was live and picked up of more of it now. I'll watch the remainder tonight. Both men were fantastic and I’d be pleased with either of them as president. Still though, there’s more depth and I think a deeper understanding in each of the topics I listened to so far with Newt. Great format though, and if we did more of this, we might just survive as a country and a people.
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    Dec 14, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidBoth men were fantastic and I’d be pleased with either of them as president. Still though, there’s more depth and I think a deeper understanding in each of the topics I listened to so far with Newt.


    You may be right, though after you listen to the whole debate I'm not so sure you will feel the same way. Jon Huntsman has a world view, especially about China, through his experience that is really unmatched among ANY of the candidates. None of the GOP front-runners have the foreign relations experience that Jon Huntsman does. I like what Newt brings to the table in terms of experience and breadth of knowledge, but I don't honestly think he can win the nomination, and certainly not the general election.
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    Dec 14, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree saidBoth men were fantastic and I’d be pleased with either of them as president. Still though, there’s more depth and I think a deeper understanding in each of the topics I listened to so far with Newt.


    You may be right, though after you listen to the whole debate I'm not so sure you will feel the same way. Jon Huntsman has a world view, especially about China, through his experience that is really unmatched among ANY of the candidates. None of the GOP front-runners have the foreign relations experience that Jon Huntsman does. I like what Newt brings to the table in terms of experience and breadth of knowledge, but I don't honestly think he can win the nomination, and certainly not the general election.


    You might well be correct. I need to postponed this until later. Hitting pause to take a phone call every few minutes makes it difficult to give this the listen that it deserves.
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
    I shut the phones off and watched all of it.

    Although they only got through half the points they were to discuss, I found both of them to be extensively knowledgeable and insightful, but I think Newt was still the winner. I really hate to say winner because this was to be a conversation regarding the most pressing problems of our time and I don’t like to rank it as winner and loser or winner and runner up, but still, I think it was Newt.

    This kind of conversation is exactly what we need in this country to maintain some semblance of unity as a country, a people, a culture and not dissolve into civil war.
  • DalTX

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    Dec 14, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    Huntsman is way too sane. He'll never get the GOP nomination.
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    Dec 14, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    DalTX saidHuntsman is way too sane. He'll never get the GOP nomination.
    Unfortunate but true.
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    Dec 15, 2011 1:24 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI saw some of this other night when it was live and picked up of more of it now. I'll watch the remainder tonight. Both men were fantastic and I’d be pleased with either of them as president. Still though, there’s more depth and I think a deeper understanding in each of the topics I listened to so far with Newt. Great format though, and if we did more of this, we might just survive as a country and a people.


    It seemed like they were laying the groundwork for either a Newt/Huntsman ticket, or perhaps a Huntsman/Newt ticket
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    Dec 15, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    I did find it very telling that with all the political junkies around here, very few of the usual suspects seemingly took the time to watch this debate and comment on it --- which is a shame because this debate covered "in depth" some of the truly important foreign relations issues of our time, and both Huntsman and Gingrich have thoughtful and detailed responses to every question. There was much to glean from both candidates that you could never have the opportunity to do in a normal debate.
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    Dec 18, 2011 6:48 AM GMT
    I think Gingrich has a lot of good ideas. However, he has more bad ideas than good, and many of the bad ideas are quite rotten.


    I'd never vote for Gingrich though. He is a hyperbolic divisive asshole looking to make money off of his past political experience--a political celebrity. He constantly insults and demeans large segments of the American populous with little empathy or remorse. I'd rather have eight more years of Bush than one year of Gingrich.
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    Dec 18, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    After another stellar debate for Gingrich in the Iowa debate Thursday night, except for the pounding on his consulting work, I think he‘ll be the man to beat. Big creative ideas and the deepest thinker out there, but I question his ability to stay focused and see them through.

    Romney was also very very good and far less shrill than he can be and has been in the past. Actually, I think they all were much better except for a few of the absolutely insane statements of Ron Paul. If had to vote in a primary right now I’d be leaning 60% Gingrich and 40% Romney of the folks who can be the nominee. Gingrich, IMO is brilliant, but still a bit unsteady given some of the actions / statements he made early in the primary season.
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    Dec 18, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAfter another stellar debate for Gingrich in the Iowa debate Thursday night.....I think he‘ll be the man to beat. Big creative ideas and the deepest thinker out there


    I disagree. I think it is wishful thinking to suggest that Gingrich is the man to beat. I agree that he has big ideas and is a deep thinker, but I don't find his ideas any "bigger" than Huntsman's, or his thinking any deeper. I predict a Gingrich disintegration, much like we saw with the other front-runners, with Romney continuing his consistent place at or near the top in virtually every primary. I would not be surprised if the Iowa caucus reveals a surprise winner (maybe Paul) that is short-lived as New Hampshire reveals yet another surprise (maybe Huntsman). Regardless, if I were a betting man I would put my money on Mitt Romney to rise to the top, where he has been at or near all along, and stay there once the real voting begins across the country and get the nomination. However, should Huntsman pull a win or even a strong 2nd or 3rd in New Hampshire, all bets are off.
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    Dec 18, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidAfter another stellar debate for Gingrich in the Iowa debate Thursday night.....I think he‘ll be the man to beat. Big creative ideas and the deepest thinker out there


    I disagree. I think it is wishful thinking to suggest that Gingrich is the man to beat. I agree that he has big ideas and is a deep thinker, but I don't find his ideas any "bigger" than Huntsman's, or his thinking any deeper. I predict a Gingrich disintegration, much like we saw with the other front-runners, with Romney continuing his consistent place at or near the top in virtually every primary. I would not be surprised if the Iowa caucus reveals a surprise winner (maybe Paul) that is short-lived as New Hampshire reveals yet another surprise (maybe Huntsman). Regardless, if I were a betting man I would put my money on Mitt Romney to rise to the top, where he has been at or near all along, and stay there once the real voting begins across the country and get the nomination. However, should Huntsman pull a win or even a strong 2nd or 3rd in New Hampshire, all bets are off.


    Notice that I said "If had to vote in a primary right now I’d be leaning 60% Gingrich and 40% Romney of the folks who can be the nominee."

    For whatever reason, Huntsman can't seem to get any traction. I actually think Perry will make a comeback before Huntsman will make much of any movement.

    True, Romney had his best debate yet Thursday night. Huntsman just can't seem to break through in this format like he can and did with the Lincoln/Douglas one on one with Gingrich.
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    Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM GMT
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Dole-Romney-Endorse-Iowa/2011/12/18/id/421304

    Bob Dole endorses Romney.
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    From an outsider's perspective, I think Huntsman was bang on. We have relatives in the US who would happily vote for him.

    -Doug
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    meninlove said


    From an outsider's perspective, I think Huntsman was bang on. We have relatives in the US who would happily vote for him.

    -Doug


    As would I IF he's the nominee. The only one that I wouldn’t under any circumstances is Ron Paul. I would gladly take Romney, Gingrich, Huntsman and then a distant fourth Perry and then an even more distant fifth, Bachman.
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    realifedad said Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
    Huntsman was NOT in charge of policy during that period..
    I am NOT defending the Bush admin but am defending the facts that some folks aren't soley responsible for what the administration does.
    Secondly, Huntsman can't get traction because the GOP machine is rather scared of his 'moderate' approach. THATS the saddest part.
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    realifedad said Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
    Huntsman was NOT in charge of policy during that period..
    I am NOT defending the Bush admin but am defending the facts that some folks aren't soley responsible for what the administration does.
    Secondly, Huntsman can't get traction because the GOP machine is rather scared of his 'moderate' approach. THATS the saddest part.


    It’s like saying that because he served as ambassador to China that Huntsman is responsible for failings of the Obama administration, real or perceived.

    However, I would say that Huntsman might just be the most conservative of the candidates. Gingrich is all over the map.
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
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    realifedad said Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
    Huntsman was NOT in charge of policy during that period..
    I am NOT defending the Bush admin but am defending the facts that some folks aren't soley responsible for what the administration does.
    Secondly, Huntsman can't get traction because the GOP machine is rather scared of his 'moderate' approach. THATS the saddest part.


    It’s like saying that because he served as ambassador to China that Huntsman is responsible for failings of the Obama administration, real or perceived.

    However, I would say that Huntsman might just be the most conservative of the candidates. Gingrich is all over the map.
    That depends on whether you understand the TRUE definition of a 'conservative'.. not the advertised one the GOP puts forth.
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:33 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark said
    realifedad said Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
    Huntsman was NOT in charge of policy during that period..
    I am NOT defending the Bush admin but am defending the facts that some folks aren't soley responsible for what the administration does.
    Secondly, Huntsman can't get traction because the GOP machine is rather scared of his 'moderate' approach. THATS the saddest part.


    It’s like saying that because he served as ambassador to China that Huntsman is responsible for failings of the Obama administration, real or perceived.

    However, I would say that Huntsman might just be the most conservative of the candidates. Gingrich is all over the map.
    That depends on whether you understand the TRUE definition of a 'conservative'.. not the advertised one the GOP puts forth.


    That's why I picked Huntsman.
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    TropicalMark said
    realifedad said Newt is nowhere close to representative of what we want or need in the White House, in fact he's about the worst example of what is being brought forward as a leader in these times.

    As for Huntsman, give us a break, where was he during the Bush years? Right in the middle of the Bush administration that brought us the great recession of 08'. What is this? You people want more of Bush failed policies? You haven't had enough yet ? If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.
    Huntsman was NOT in charge of policy during that period..
    I am NOT defending the Bush admin but am defending the facts that some folks aren't soley responsible for what the administration does.
    Secondly, Huntsman can't get traction because the GOP machine is rather scared of his 'moderate' approach. THATS the saddest part.


    It’s like saying that because he served as ambassador to China that Huntsman is responsible for failings of the Obama administration, real or perceived.

    However, I would say that Huntsman might just be the most conservative of the candidates. Gingrich is all over the map.
    That depends on whether you understand the TRUE definition of a 'conservative'.. not the advertised one the GOP puts forth.


    That's why I picked Huntsman.
    Which is why I would support huntsman.. unfortunately he comes with the GOP tag. I dont shop there anymore. Havent since the GOP blowhards nuts went off the deep end. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 18, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    realifedad said If the repubs cannot produce better than this group, there's no way in hell the American people will replace Obama with any of these far right fundi lap dogs. If you repubs should be embarassed over this group. They are embarassing our entire country on the world stage.


    This "group" happens to contain some extremely bright, accomplished, and experienced men with a vast amount of knowledge -- Romney, Huntsman, and Gingrich -- who are perfectly suited to lead this country should they end up being elected. I suspect that no Republican would be good enough for you. As for Huntsman, he at the very least has set himself up as a solid V.P. choice, or to run again in 2016, should New Hampshire not pan out for him and he simply doesn't get the traction needed this time around.