Has Canada gone MAD ?????

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    Dec 14, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    I mean, I know Canadians are crazy and wierd and all, but this is just plain insanity :/ :/ :/

    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111213/elizabeth-may-kyoto-green-party-111213/

    The international community, as well as opposition MPs, took aim at the Harper government Tuesday over its announcement that Canada intends to withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol.

    France, China and Japan all criticized the Canadian government's decision to pull out of the international climate-change accord, a move announced by Environment Minister Peter Kent on Monday.

    A spokesperson for France's foreign ministry said Tuesday the decision is "bad news for the fight against climate change," while a spokesperson for China's foreign ministry called the move "regrettable and flies in the face of the efforts of the international community."

    Goshi Hosono, Japan's environment minister, encouraged the Conservative government to reconsider its position.

    Kent announced Monday that Canada would formally withdraw from Kyoto, saying the deal wasn't an effective global solution to climate change and perhaps even, "an impediment."

    Kent's announcement came a day after a 194-party climate change conference in Durban, South Africa agreed to start negotiating a new deal to fight climate change. The fresh accord is scheduled to take effect by 2020 at the latest.

    In the days leading up to the conference, Kent had repeatedly said the Kyoto accord "was in the past," and said Canada would not sign on to an extension of the deal.

    The government came under fire for its announcement during question period in the House of Commons Tuesday.

    Interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel accused the Conservatives of "turning their back on the world" and "betraying future generations."

    "They have set up bogus targets and are not even a quarter of the way towards meeting this lame attempt at saving face," Turmel said. "When will the prime minister take climate change seriously?"

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper defended his government's record on the environment file, saying Canadian officials are working on the creation of an international protocol that will include all major emitters.

    "What this government does not favour, what this government has never favoured and been very clear on, is we do not agree with a protocol that only controls a little bit of global emissions, not enough to actually make any difference but enough to transfer Canadian jobs overseas," he said. "We will never agree to that."

    Also during question period, Kent defended the government's efforts to beef up environmental protections and enforcement after NDP MP Megan Leslie cited a report by the environment commissioner that said the Conservatives are falling behind in those areas.

    Kent said the government accepts the commissioner's recommendations that it can do more to "address enforceability issues," but pointed out that they have increased enforcement capacity by 50 per cent since 2007.

    The Liberals released a statement Tuesday saying the decision to pull out of Kyoto "has damaged our international reputation and made Canada a laughingstock."

    May says Ottawa breaking the law

    Meanwhile, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is charging that the Conservative government is breaking the law by withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol.

    During a Tuesday news conference, May said Harper's government is breaching a domestic law in its decision to leave the international accord.

    "The Kyoto Implementation Act was passed by the House of Commons in 2007 and has royal assent," she said. "It requires Canada to continue reporting and doing its job, fulfilling its obligations under the Kyoto Protocol."

    A representative of the Green Party of Canada told CTVNews.ca that the Harper government is violating the Kyoto Implementation Act, according to an Oct. 4 report from Environment Commissioner Scott Vaughan.

    May has referred to the timing of the withdrawal as perverse and said she believes the decision is tarnishing Canada's reputation on the world stage.

    Kent had said that Canada will save $14 billion by withdrawing and dodging potential penalties associated with not meeting emissions targets. That total, however, has been under dispute.

    "Staying in the Kyoto Protocol will not cost us a cent," May said in a released statement. "What will cost billions is if we do nothing to address climate change."

    According to May, there is still time for Canada to reverse it's stance on the Kyoto deal. She said the nation's "legal intent to withdraw" letter doesn't take effect for a year.

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    Dec 14, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
    YES
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:33 AM GMT
    ^ lol.. nice response...
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
    Wait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
    Well maybe they are hoping for the effect of global warming to bring a longer summer to the north, thereby opening up the far north to agriculture, and a mass migration and population of a vast expanse of northern region..... in that case I can understand the madness
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
    Yes! Is the short answer. If you are politically left wing / environmentally conscious, it's an interesting time here. The Conservative Party has a majority government, and can pass virtually anything through parliament with little debate. The Liberal Party has collapsed. However, for the first time the NDP are the official opposition, and the Green Party have their first seat.
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:35 AM GMT
    GreenHopper saidWell maybe they are hoping for the effect of global warming to bring a longer summer to the north, thereby opening up the far north to agriculture, and a mass migration and population of a vast expanse of northern region..... in that case I can understand the madness


    I don't think Canada is rejecting it in order to violate it. And if it is, it sounds like a far stretch to think that 30 million people living in a Democratic country are going to make even a small fraction of pollution that a Communist country of 1.4 BILLION people are going to make.

    I may be TOTALLY wrong here though and am open to being PWNed by someone. I read about it but as usual I speed read and only get the take home points and do conduct much in depth analyzation.
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:36 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:38 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:38 AM GMT
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    GreenHopper saidWell maybe they are hoping for the effect of global warming to bring a longer summer to the north, thereby opening up the far north to agriculture, and a mass migration and population of a vast expanse of northern region..... in that case I can understand the madness


    I don't think Canada is rejecting it in order to violate it. And if it is, it sounds like a far stretch to think that 30 million people living in a Democratic country are going to make even a small fraction of pollution that a Communist country of 1.4 BILLION people are going to make.


    Considering the lifestyles that you see up there.. and their intense need for fossil fuels to export to the US to keep it up in that very cold area.. and the need to burn so much fuel to heat the houses up so much more... I do think they make a difference.. it is generally underplayed, but Im sure it is there.... I cannot say this with direct knowledge, but I judge it likely
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:39 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper saidWell maybe they are hoping for the effect of global warming to bring a longer summer to the north, thereby opening up the far north to agriculture, and a mass migration and population of a vast expanse of northern region..... in that case I can understand the madness


    I don't think Canada is rejecting it in order to violate it. And if it is, it sounds like a far stretch to think that 30 million people living in a Democratic country are going to make even a small fraction of pollution that a Communist country of 1.4 BILLION people are going to make.


    Considering the lifestyles that you see up there.. and their intense need for fossil fuels to export to the US to keep it up in that very cold area.. and the need to burn so much fuel to heat the houses up so much more... I do think they make a difference.. it is generally underplayed, but Im sure it is there.... I cannot say this with direct knowledge, but I judge it likely


    I guess it could go either way, and speculating from either side isn't validating what hasn't happened yet. *hat off* compromise
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    Dec 14, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
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    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.


    lol, I was referring to Canada's decision to keep exporting asbestos to other countries while it made it illegal to use in canada because it is a public health hazard... they judge the money they can make off of it by export more important than the health problems they create in others as long as they are not Canadian....
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    Dec 14, 2011 8:14 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.


    lol, I was referring to Canada's decision to keep exporting asbestos to other countries while it made it illegal to use in canada because it is a public health hazard... they judge the money they can make off of it by export more important than the health problems they create in others as long as they are not Canadian....


    OH MY GOD is Canada DOING THAT?!?!?! Who are they exporting asbestos too? Fuck is the US doing this too? And SORRY if I sound ignorant. I'm not up-to-date with every single exporting and importing law, let alone every law for every country. And I'm not being sarcastic either (i reread what I wrote here and felt like it seemed like i was joking around.)
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    Dec 14, 2011 8:50 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.


    lol, I was referring to Canada's decision to keep exporting asbestos to other countries while it made it illegal to use in canada because it is a public health hazard... they judge the money they can make off of it by export more important than the health problems they create in others as long as they are not Canadian....


    OH MY GOD is Canada DOING THAT?!?!?! Who are they exporting asbestos too? Fuck is the US doing this too? And SORRY if I sound ignorant. I'm not up-to-date with every single exporting and importing law, let alone every law for every country. And I'm not being sarcastic either (i reread what I wrote here and felt like it seemed like i was joking around.)


    They are exporting the asbestos to the third world... of course the third world keeps buying this nonsense because it is such a cheap material, so the blame is not entirely on canada alone.. its ours (the third world's) fault as well, i will admit... but most poor people dont have a choice... its do the job they tell you to or starve most of the time.... nonetheless it doesnt speak well for Canada to be making money off of this... it is a huge scandal in Canada itself....
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    Dec 14, 2011 9:06 AM GMT
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson said
    GreenHopper said
    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.


    lol, I was referring to Canada's decision to keep exporting asbestos to other countries while it made it illegal to use in canada because it is a public health hazard... they judge the money they can make off of it by export more important than the health problems they create in others as long as they are not Canadian....


    OH MY GOD is Canada DOING THAT?!?!?! Who are they exporting asbestos too? Fuck is the US doing this too? And SORRY if I sound ignorant. I'm not up-to-date with every single exporting and importing law, let alone every law for every country. And I'm not being sarcastic either (i reread what I wrote here and felt like it seemed like i was joking around.)


    They are exporting the asbestos to the third world... of course the third world keeps buying this nonsense because it is such a cheap material, so the blame is not entirely on canada alone.. its ours (the third world's) fault as well, i will admit... but most poor people dont have a choice... its do the job they tell you to or starve most of the time.... nonetheless it doesnt speak well for Canada to be making money off of this... it is a huge scandal in Canada itself....


    Which countries? The "Third World" sounds vague.
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    Dec 14, 2011 9:10 AM GMT
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    GreenHopper said
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    JakeBenson saidWait, according to "Canada" it thinks that Kyoto is just a joke anyway. After all look at China and the horrible shitty air quality it produces. Obviously Kyoto isn't working. I would back out of many agreements with China because its policies are super shitty.


    So they intend to make a mockery of the only climate agreement in existence? One that they and everyone else are still vastly overstepping? and have shown practically no interest in making proper adjustments?

    Or do they think asbestos export cuts are a joke also lol


    I think they intend to mock China's fake attempt to curb air pollution. Also, thinking that China is going to throw asbestos parties is a slippery slope fallacy. That's like saying "what gay marriage? what next inter-species marriage?" Although I don't really know. After all some Republicans in the U.S. are bat-shit crazy. I'm assuming Canadians have a few too.


    lol, I was referring to Canada's decision to keep exporting asbestos to other countries while it made it illegal to use in canada because it is a public health hazard... they judge the money they can make off of it by export more important than the health problems they create in others as long as they are not Canadian....


    OH MY GOD is Canada DOING THAT?!?!?! Who are they exporting asbestos too? Fuck is the US doing this too? And SORRY if I sound ignorant. I'm not up-to-date with every single exporting and importing law, let alone every law for every country. And I'm not being sarcastic either (i reread what I wrote here and felt like it seemed like i was joking around.)


    They are exporting the asbestos to the third world... of course the third world keeps buying this nonsense because it is such a cheap material, so the blame is not entirely on canada alone.. its ours (the third world's) fault as well, i will admit... but most poor people dont have a choice... its do the job they tell you to or starve most of the time.... nonetheless it doesnt speak well for Canada to be making money off of this... it is a huge scandal in Canada itself....


    Which countries? The "Third World" sounds vague.


    India (of course) among others... http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/deadly-cn.htm .. typically countries where the politicians really dont give a crap about the poor because they dont make them any money anyway grrrr