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    Dec 15, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/singleton/

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    Dec 15, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Bad political move Obama, I hope you have a good reason for iticon_confused.gif
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    Dec 15, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    Claystation saidBad political move Obama, I hope you have a good reason for iticon_confused.gif





    I don't see how there can be a good reason for this, this legislation opens the door to a slippery slope that could very well end up being used against Americans who protest, speak publicly or write against government actions involving this supposed "war on terror". Whats to stop overzealous far righters in postitions of power from declaring the above actions as terrorist sympathizing and thowing US Citizens in jail.

    We should never allow our government to do anything to anyone that we don't want done to ourselves, because when we do, we greatly increase the possibility that it will happen to us. It is not necessary to take away rights and freedoms from government intrusion for the sake of keeping us safe.

    Anyone else fed up with Obama's going against the principles he ran on in 08' ? If Obama signs this into law, he'll have reached my 'last straw' as far as my vote goes.
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    Dec 15, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
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    Claystation saidBad political move Obama, I hope you have a good reason for iticon_confused.gif





    I don't see how there can be a good reason for this, this legislation opens the door to a slippery slope that could very well end up being used against Americans who protest, speak publicly or write against government actions involving this supposed "war on terror". Whats to stop overzealous far righters in postitions of power from declaring the above actions as terrorist sympathizing and thowing US Citizens in jail.

    We should never allow our government to do anything to anyone that we don't want done to ourselves, because when we do, we greatly increase the possibility that it will happen to us. It is not necessary to take away rights and freedoms from government intrusion for the sake of keeping us safe.

    Anyone else fed up with Obama's going against the principles he ran on in 08' ? If Obama signs this into law, he'll have reached my 'last straw' as far as my vote goes.


    You are letting fear get the better of you, "what if" scenarios are the equivalent of the boogie man is out there you just haven't seen him yet.

    I agree this is going to be a huge deal as far as profiling goes, but to think that they are just going to randomly pic some Joe Schmoe is pretty absurd.

    Don't let hypotheticals get the better of you.
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    Dec 15, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    Our founding fathers had fear of such and that is why Habeas Corpus became the law of our land. It is not unrealistic to insist on placing and keeping in place limits on Government to avoid even a remote possibility of government abuse. We give up rights and freedoms only at our own peril, this is a door that we should not allow to be opened. Think about how easily this law could be abused, All you have to do is read from some of the far right republican candidates and their followers on the subject of terrorism and Islamists and that alone should lead you to being concerned about such a law.
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    Dec 15, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
    1. I didn't say I was for this law

    2. I am not going to get myself worked up in a frenzy of "what if"

    I already agreed with you that this was going to be a big deal when it comes to profiling. Its about the equivalent to racism.

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    Dec 15, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    Claystation said1. I didn't say I was for this law

    2. I am not going to get myself worked up in a frenzy of "what if"

    I already agreed with you that this was going to be a big deal when it comes to profiling. Its about the equivalent to racism.




    Didn't mean to come off as coming down on you, your right not to get worked up over this. I just think there's very good reason for concern and using the 'what ifs' as a cautionary reason to avoid such legislation, because for example, just ten years ago we couldn't have imagined our government torturing or holding anyone prisoner without recourse of their day in court as under Habeas Corpus. We couldn't have imagined such laws as what took place under the Patriot act where a Librarian could be jailed for exposing government snoops who dug into records of the library's patrons. Many other examples of reason for concern exist.

    I hope there is a serious outcry from the public over this.
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    Dec 15, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
    Anyone reading on this topic, please take the time to look up and read the interview with Constitutional Attorney Bruce Fein: on OpEdNews.com re: National Defense Authorization Act --- Article title: NDAA An Unprecedented Intrusion....being used to destroy what we are as a republic and as a nation.

    Bruce Fein was deputy attorney general under President Ronald Reagan and is author of "Constitutional Peril: The Life and Death Struggle for Our constitution and Democracy." He said today: "The NDAA proves that a people of sheep invites a government of wolves."
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    Dec 17, 2011 9:35 AM GMT
    Claystation said
    realifedad said
    Claystation saidBad political move Obama, I hope you have a good reason for iticon_confused.gif





    I don't see how there can be a good reason for this, this legislation opens the door to a slippery slope that could very well end up being used against Americans who protest, speak publicly or write against government actions involving this supposed "war on terror". Whats to stop overzealous far righters in postitions of power from declaring the above actions as terrorist sympathizing and thowing US Citizens in jail.

    We should never allow our government to do anything to anyone that we don't want done to ourselves, because when we do, we greatly increase the possibility that it will happen to us. It is not necessary to take away rights and freedoms from government intrusion for the sake of keeping us safe.

    Anyone else fed up with Obama's going against the principles he ran on in 08' ? If Obama signs this into law, he'll have reached my 'last straw' as far as my vote goes.


    You are letting fear get the better of you, "what if" scenarios are the equivalent of the boogie man is out there you just haven't seen him yet.

    I agree this is going to be a huge deal as far as profiling goes, but to think that they are just going to randomly pic some Joe Schmoe is pretty absurd.

    Don't let hypotheticals get the better of you.


    I wish OP would change the tittle on this to give it more attention cause damn. I agree hypotheticals shouldn't get the best of people but the mear fact they exist is pretty scary in and of itself. As for the idea that US citizens can be jailed because of suspected involvement on terror... that's already happening. Its been happening for years. In Criminal Justice, we have a saying that says "You can violate anyone's rights if it involves Drugs or Terrorism." Exigent Circumstances already leave it open to those hypoticals that you guys were suggesting. I think the fact that its being written out there like that and being defined legally acceptable versus Court Law is pretty signifcant.
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    Dec 17, 2011 2:41 PM GMT
    Watch "Rendition", the movie....

    And what ever happened to "illegal search and seizure" protections in the Bill of Rights? (I know, this new legislation makes it "legal" - but isn't it still in conflict with a constitutional protection?)