Harvard: More Millennials predict Obama loss - less than 25% support "Occupy" - only 32% approve Obama handling of economy

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    Dec 17, 2011 7:57 AM GMT
    Significant erosion in one of Obama's main constituencies

    First few paragraphs only. Complete results and methodology at link

    http://www.iop.harvard.edu/Research-Publications/Survey/Fall-2011-Survey
    MORE MILLENNIALS PREDICT OBAMA WILL LOSE BID FOR RE-ELECTION THAN WIN, HARVARD POLL FINDS

    Mitt Romney strongest Republican challenger to President Obama; less than one-in-four Millennials support the "Occupy" movement

    Cambridge, MA – A new national poll of America’s 18- to 29- year olds by Harvard’s Institute of Politics (IOP), located at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, finds more Millennials predict President Barack Obama will lose his bid for re-election (36%) than win (30%). The new survey also shows former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney fairing best among potential Republican challengers in a general election match-up against President Obama, trailing the President by eleven percentage points (Obama: 37%, Romney: 26%).

    Thirty-two percent of Millennials say they are following the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations either very (6%) or somewhat closely (26%), with 66% not following the demonstrations closely. Only twenty-one percent (21%) said they supported the movement. A detailed report on the poll’s findings is available on the Institute’s homepage at http://www.iop.harvard.edu.

    “Our new polling data clearly shows Millennials are growing more concerned over the direction of the country and effectiveness of Washington, D.C. to solve problems,” said Trey Grayson, Director of Harvard’s Institute of Politics. “The opportunity exists for all political parties and campaigns to re-engage this generation – those who do can maximize results in 2012.”

    “While we are more than a year away – it's important to note that with enthusiasm about politics and Washington down, nearly three-quarters of Millennials seriously concerned about jobs and the economy – and more believing that the President that they helped elect will lose, rather than win re-election – this survey may well serve as an ominous sign for Barack Obama's 2012 chances and the political engagement of America’s largest generation,” said John Della Volpe, Polling Director at Harvard’s Institute of Politics.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:24 AM GMT
    Just a comment. I feel very heartened by this poll. I know a number of guys in this age group, including several buddies on RJ, who agree with fiscal conservatism, so I know independent, critical thought is possible in all age groups. But I thought my friends were in the minority, and that most just bought into policies that would increase our debt, hurt the economy, and ultimately degrade their quality of life in future decades. It's encouraging that folks in the 18-29 group think critically and understand what's important for their future.

    I've heard some from this demographic rail against the boomer generation for bankrupting their future. I agreed with this, but then was amazed that it seemed most supported politicians who would accelerate the bankruptcy. Thinking that taxing the rich more would solve all the problems was false. It is great that socialists cannot depend on the idealism of the Millennials to support them marching off the cliff.
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    Dec 17, 2011 11:50 AM GMT
    Oh but Socal my friend .... I know you feel heartened by this survey but I hate to burst your republican bubble but this is where the pools should be BEATING Obama
    This is where the populace doesn't really KNOW the challenger to Obama and where their numbers should be strongest
    Instead we are seeing that people are siding with the challenger who ever the republican flavor of the month is ... lol

    and then when they DO get to know him ... or her as in that loony Bachmann lady
    They start to say ... Ummm we'll stay with Obama icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 17, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
    Blablabla.. more tax cuts for the rich... bla bla bla

    nonsense.. I think Im actually going to stop listening to all this now.... Ive gotten too tired of that old stuff over and over....
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    Dec 17, 2011 2:03 PM GMT
    GreenHopper saidBlablabla.. more tax cuts for the rich... bla bla bla

    nonsense.. I think Im actually going to stop listening to all this now.... Ive gotten too tired of that old stuff over and over....

    The issue is much more than whatever tax rates the wealthy should pay. Spending needs to be reduced. Raising the rates on the wealthy will not put a significant dent into the debt. It mostly makes some feel good that something is being done while they support policies that will further damage the country and degrade their lifestyle in future decades.
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    Dec 17, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    I for one don't believe in polls because the American people are very unpredictable. They can say one thing one day but than a couple days later say something totally different. As for the Millenials being dissatisfied with Obama, how many of them were sampled in this poll?
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    Dec 17, 2011 5:08 PM GMT
    Let me add the part that you left out:


    However, more young adults said they would be more likely to vote for Obama than a Republican candidate (35 percent vs. 29 percent) while roughly a third (34 percent) said they didn't know.


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    roadbikeRob saidI for one don't believe in polls because the American people are very unpredictable. They can say one thing one day but than a couple days later say something totally different. As for the Millenials being dissatisfied with Obama, how many of them were sampled in this poll?

    If you go to the link from Harvard, there is a methodology section that addresses your question.
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    Dec 17, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    Balljunkie saidLet me add the part that you left out:

    However, more young adults said they would be more likely to vote for Obama than a Republican candidate (35 percent vs. 29 percent) while roughly a third (34 percent) said they didn't know.

    Given the Republican candidate has not been chosen and has not started a focused campaign, those numbers are not as significant. Furthermore, as the study suggested, this group is up for grabs and by all accounts is not a shoo-in to support Obama or the Republicans, for that matter. Their approval of Obama's handling of the economy is very low and there is every indication they will consider the issues seriously and not be taken in by hope and change fluff or "blame everyone but me". That represents a fundamental erosion of his support.
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    Dec 17, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GreenHopper saidBlablabla.. more tax cuts for the rich... bla bla bla

    nonsense.. I think Im actually going to stop listening to all this now.... Ive gotten too tired of that old stuff over and over....



    I'm surprised you paid any attention to this stuff at all, being that you don't even live in the USA.
    U.S. politics is about the most watched and 'attended' stuff around the world. Quit being so naive.
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    Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    southbeach1500 said
    GreenHopper saidBlablabla.. more tax cuts for the rich... bla bla bla

    nonsense.. I think Im actually going to stop listening to all this now.... Ive gotten too tired of that old stuff over and over....



    I'm surprised you paid any attention to this stuff at all, being that you don't even live in the USA.
    U.S. politics is about the most watched and 'attended' stuff around the world. Quit being so naive.


    And how it's fine when some of the canadian friends pop in to talk about the issue...especially considering how vehement they can get..
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    Dec 17, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
    I wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.


    Are you on drugs? You don't think the US butts into Canada's business on a regular basis?
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    roadbikeRob saidI wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.

    This is an international site, and the US politics are quite colorful, so it is not surprising that they would be interested. Furthermore, they are impacted by what happens in the US so it is understandable that they would be interested. In particular, Canadians have every reason to be interested in the games being played by the White House concerning the Keystone pipeline, a president deliberately trying to delay a decision until after the election, and adults of both political parties in Congress holding his feet to the fire.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.

    This is an international site, and the US politics are quite colorful, so it is not surprising that they would be interested. Furthermore, they are impacted by what happens in the US so it is understandable that they would be interested. In particular, Canadians have every reason to be interested in the games being played by the White House concerning the Keystone pipeline, a president deliberately trying to delay a decision until after the election, and adults of both political parties in Congress holding his feet to the fire.


    Keystone is a terrible idea and will result in environmental catastrophe.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.

    This is an international site, and the US politics are quite colorful, so it is not surprising that they would be interested. Furthermore, they are impacted by what happens in the US so it is understandable that they would be interested. In particular, Canadians have every reason to be interested in the games being played by the White House concerning the Keystone pipeline, a president deliberately trying to delay a decision until after the election, and adults of both political parties in Congress holding his feet to the fire.

    Keystone is a terrible idea and will result in environmental catastrophe.

    It was previously studied extensively. Furthermore, the company offered to reroute the pipeline. The situation is obvious. Obama would have to decide between two constituencies, labor and environmental extremists. His Campaign Headquarters - Chicago with an obvious focus of re-election ahead of country, have directed him to delay, even though the Canadians can reroute the oil to China. Obama does not mind following these instructions as he cares most about re-election.

    Congress my actually give him cover in signing by forcing his hand. This scenario is probably considered acceptable by Campaign Headquarters - Chicago, but it will still be a campaign issue either way.
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    Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM GMT
    Christian73, FYI I am not on drugs. It is none of their damned business. We don't go telling Canadians or people from other countries who to vote for or how to run their affairs. I am very well aware that the US Government is always interfering with internal affairs of many other countries. But two wrongs don't make a right. American political conversations are for Americans only, case closed.
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    socalfitness said
    roadbikeRob saidI wish the Canadians would stay out of our American political discussions because it is none of their damned business. None of us tell the Canadians how to run their country so why are they always butting into our political conversations when they don't live in the US in the first place.

    This is an international site, and the US politics are quite colorful, so it is not surprising that they would be interested. Furthermore, they are impacted by what happens in the US so it is understandable that they would be interested. In particular, Canadians have every reason to be interested in the games being played by the White House concerning the Keystone pipeline, a president deliberately trying to delay a decision until after the election, and adults of both political parties in Congress holding his feet to the fire.

    Keystone is a terrible idea and will result in environmental catastrophe.

    It was previously studied extensively. Furthermore, the company offered to reroute the pipeline. The situation is obvious. Obama would have to decide between two constituencies, labor and environmental extremists. His Campaign Headquarters - Chicago with an obvious focus of re-election ahead of country, have directed him to delay, even though the Canadians can reroute the oil to China. Obama does not mind following these instructions as he cares most about re-election.

    Congress my actually give him cover in signing by forcing his hand. This scenario is probably considered acceptable by Campaign Headquarters - Chicago, but it will still be a campaign issue either way.


    The company offered to reroute it so it doesn't travel under the US? Anything short of that is a non-starter. How many companies need to poison our ground water, air and oceans before you people get hip to the fact?

    I doubt it will be a campaign issue as it's very much NIMBY and even Republican governors have balked at the pipeline going through their states.
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    roadbikeRob saidChristian73, FYI I am not on drugs. It is none of their damned business. We don't go telling Canadians or people from other countries who to vote for or how to run their affairs. I am very well aware that the US Government is always interfering with internal affairs of many other countries. But two wrongs don't make a right. American political conversations are for Americans only, case closed.


    I'm thinking the Iraqis, Afghanis, Chinese and, well, every other country on the planet will disagree with you. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 said
    Keystone is a terrible idea and will result in environmental catastrophe.


    Quite true. We've got millions of miles of oil pipelines here in the USA and at there are at least 100 new leaks and explosions every day creating "environmental catastrophe" here in the USA. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Christian73 said
    The company offered to reroute it so it doesn't travel under the US? Anything short of that is a non-starter. How many companies need to poison our ground water, air and oceans before you people get hip to the fact?


    Says the RJ member posting from his comfy New York City apartment where everything he depends on for his comfortable life is brought to him courtesy of oil, coal and gas.

    Go move to a log cabin up in Vermont - it's the kind of existence you are advocating for all of us, so why not set an example?


    Right... Because Miami is SO rural and on the edge.

    Let's remember that said RJ member does indeed live in NYC and is not actually in the path of harm the Keystone will cause. Perhaps, if said RJ member was more like a certain soulless reprobate living in Florida, he would think "fuck all those douche bags in flyover country. I don't care if their ground water is poisoned or the water from their faucets is flammable as long as it doesn't inconvenience me."

    But, said RJ member does not feel that way because of a little quirk called empathy. And said RJ member also know that all oil and gas is sold on an international market, so the "douche bags in flyover country" won't even get a better deal for putting themselves at risk. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 18, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    Christian73 said... But, said RJ member does not feel that way because of a little quirk called empathy. ...

    Empathy - a slogan of the left to keep feeding fish instead of teaching to fish to maintain a class of servitude, needed to maintain justification of the liberal existence.
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    Dec 18, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    Christian73, obviously you have a rough time comprehending. I said that I am well aware that the US Government interferes too much in the internal affairs of other countries. I am talking about the American people in general excluding the dumb, crooked politicians in Washington with their agenda of imperialism. You are a typical extremist liberal hen, you jump to conclusions before you know the facts. As for the Canadian nationals on here that keep butting into our political conversations, they really have nothing to say because it is our country and our decision. I don't see RJ members from other countries sticking their noses into our political conversations. The Canadians need to mind their own damned business.
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    Christian73 said... But, said RJ member does not feel that way because of a little quirk called empathy. ...

    Empathy - a slogan of the left to keep feeding fish instead of teaching to fish to maintain a class of servitude, needed to maintain justification of the liberal existence.


    Please... it's not progressive policies that have led to the ending of economic mobility in the US, or the largest wealth and income gaps since the Gilded Age. This meme of "servitude" and "slavery" resulting from Leftist policies is as ridiculous as Karl Rove's ad attacking Elizabeth Warren for being cozy with Wall Street.

    You guys are so desperate you'll make any claims, regardless of how ridiculous. icon_lol.gif
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    Christian73 said... But, said RJ member does not feel that way because of a little quirk called empathy. ...

    Empathy - a slogan of the left to keep feeding fish instead of teaching to fish to maintain a class of servitude, needed to maintain justification of the liberal existence.


    Please... it's not progressive policies that have led to the ending of economic mobility in the US, or the largest wealth and income gaps since the Gilded Age. This meme of "servitude" and "slavery" resulting from Leftist policies is as ridiculous as Karl Rove's ad attacking Elizabeth Warren for being cozy with Wall Street.

    You guys are so desperate you'll make any claims, regardless of how ridiculous. icon_lol.gif

    The fact is the socialists are more concerned about the gap than they are about the ultimate well being of those at or near the bottom of the socio-economic rung. The dirtiest little secret the left likes to hide is the sum total of wealth is not fixed, and improving the lot of those at the bottom doesn't require taking from the wealthy. But you really have little empathy and don't care as much for the poor as you do for your social engineering lunacy.
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said... But, said RJ member does not feel that way because of a little quirk called empathy. ...

    Empathy - a slogan of the left to keep feeding fish instead of teaching to fish to maintain a class of servitude, needed to maintain justification of the liberal existence.


    Please... it's not progressive policies that have led to the ending of economic mobility in the US, or the largest wealth and income gaps since the Gilded Age. This meme of "servitude" and "slavery" resulting from Leftist policies is as ridiculous as Karl Rove's ad attacking Elizabeth Warren for being cozy with Wall Street.

    You guys are so desperate you'll make any claims, regardless of how ridiculous. icon_lol.gif

    The fact is the socialists are more concerned about the gap than they are about the ultimate well being of those at or near the bottom of the socio-economic rung. The dirtiest little secret the left likes to hide is the sum total of wealth is not fixed, and improving the lot of those at the bottom doesn't require taking from the wealthy. But you really have little empathy and don't care as much for the poor as you do for your social engineering lunacy.


    Sure. That's why every time right-wing policies are implemented the middle class and the poor lose ground. That's why after 30 years of right-wing economic policies 50% of Americans are at or below the poverty line.

    Please give up the riddler BS about "wealth creation" and "free markets". It's increasingly pathetic as events reveal it to be better fiction than the latest Stephen King novel.