Thoughts about Bradley Manning?

  • TrentGrad

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    Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    Not sure if any of you saw this, but I just read a couple of stories where Bradley Manning, the private charged with funneling US military information to Julian Assange's wikileaks, is using the defense that his mental state, owing to his homosexuality and gender identity difficulties, should excuse him from being held culpable for what he did.

    Lets overlook, for the purposes of what I'm suggesting here, whether we agree with what he did or not: this is one really, REALLY shitty defense strategy that is going to come back to bite the LGBT community in the ass!

    I mean, it's bad enough that so many neo-conservative nitwits still continue to propogate the notion that homosexuality is a mental illness in spite of the fact that no credible medical professional organization acknowledges it as such...now we have a man who is just going to feed their vitriolic hatred!

    Frankly, I'm not feeling better about Bradley Manning when I read that he had at least two violent incidents prior...one owing to him being disciplined for arriving late (leading to him throwing a temper tantrum and overturning a table with a computer on it), and the other resulting in him assaulting another soldier when he was sent somewhere he didn't like!

    I think you could make the case that these aggressive episodes suggest that he may have some type of mental illness (perhaps bipolar disorder?)...but to attribute it to his gender identity and, to a lesser extent, his homosexuality, is quite frankly offensive to LGBT peoples everywhere!

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/17/us/bradlley-manning-hearing/index.html?section=cnn_latest

    http://news.yahoo.com/pfc-bradley-manning-154300509.html

    Using your homosexuality or gender identity issues to try and excuse yourself from culpability to the crimes you're accused of...is unforgivable in my opinion.
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    Dec 18, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    I don't think he came up with the idea of claiming that his mental state is not functioning properly because he is gay, it was probably his lawyers. As of right now, Bradley has spent 18 months in jail, 9 of which were in solitary confinement. If convected, he is set for life in prison. If this is his best chance at freedom, I say go for it! I would.
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    Dec 18, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    It was probably his lawyers' idea. They are only concerned about getting their client off. They don't worry about the fallout.
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    Dec 18, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said... They are only concerned about getting their client off. .....


    REALLY unfortunate wording there! icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 18, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said
    DudeInNOVA said... They are only concerned about getting their client off. .....


    REALLY unfortunate wording there! icon_lol.gif


    I'm usually so much more careful about that. I guess the caffeine hasn't kicked in. icon_biggrin.gif
  • jeepguySD

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    Dec 18, 2011 6:03 PM GMT
    First of all, I don't think the Judge Advocate will be swayed by this subterfuge. I suspect, and hope, that he will be held responsible for his crimes, unless he can be shown to be truly mentally imcompetent by objective, non-biases, mental health professionals.

    As for using sexuality as his defense... how many thousands of gay and lesbian service members have lived for years (even entire careers) with the stress of DADT, and before that an outright ban, without revealing sensitive information or other similar violations?
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    Dec 18, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    jeepguySD saidFirst of all, I don't think the Judge Advocate will be swayed by this subterfuge. I suspect, and hope, that he will be held responsible for his crimes, unless he can be shown to be truly mentally imcompetent by objective, non-biases, mental health professionals.

    As for using sexuality as his defense... how many thousands of gay and lesbian service members have lived for years (even entire careers) with the stress of DADT, and before that an outright ban, without revealing sensitive information or other similar violations?


    +1

    Let justice take its course, including the question of whether he has been treated fairly while a prisoner.
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    Dec 18, 2011 7:29 PM GMT
    From what I can tell he sounds like a bit a train wreck waiting to happen even before he joined the army. The gay defense won't fly but his lawyers have really limited options and the kid's looking at life in prison and they have to come up with something as a defense.

    Who cares if anti-gays whine about it; the genie's been let out of the bottle as far as gays integrating into the military are concerned and it can't be put back in and most people will see through the lawyers' strategy.

    The US security apparatus needs to up its game: first Bradley, then the exposure of all the spies in Lebanon and now the captured drone in Iran. (I mean seriously: how the Hell was Iran allowed to hack (!) and steal the most advanced top secret weapon in the arsenal!).

    IMO the slip ups are more worrisome then the last ditch Gay Defence move.