McCain on HIV Prevention (sort of)

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    Jun 12, 2008 6:10 PM GMT
    John McCain on HIV/AIDS:

    Reporter: “Should U.S. taxpayer money go to places like Africa to fund contraception to prevent AIDS?”

    Mr. McCain: “Well I think it’s a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes – and I was just reading the thing he wrote– that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity. Where that doesn’t succeed, than he thinks that we should employ contraceptives as well. But I agree with him that the first priority is on abstinence. I look to people like Dr. Coburn. I’m not very wise on it.”
    (Mr. McCain turns to take a question on Iraq, but a moment later looks back to the reporter who asked him about AIDS.)

    Mr. McCain: “I haven’t thought about it. Before I give you an answer, let me think about. Let me think about it a little bit because I never got a question about it before. I don’t know if I would use taxpayers’ money for it.”

    Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”

    Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”

    Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”

    Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”

    Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”

    Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”

    Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”

    Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/mccain-stumbles-on-hiv-prevention/

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    Jun 13, 2008 9:07 AM GMT
    Ignorant little twit. Abstinence?! He probably doesn't have a sex life of his own.

    Lord don't let him win.
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    Jun 13, 2008 10:32 AM GMT
    Not ignorant. He's a snake. He's just trying to avoid doing the famous McCain flipflop. He wants to know what his position is. How bout under the heel of my boot?
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    Jun 13, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    While having the CDC and the Army center for defense against biological attack, Fort Detriech, MD is part of National Defense, people should buy their own condoms. With all the serious situations going on around the world, this subject doesn't deserve a back burner, it belongs back in the fridge.

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:38 PM GMT
    I'm actually willing to give McCain a bit of a pass on this one. He's simply too many generations removed from mainstream to know any better and it is simply time for his generation to begin handing over authority to the next.
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    Jun 13, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    Sedative saidIgnorant little twit. Abstinence?! He probably doesn't have a sex life of his own.

    Lord don't let him win.
    LOL amen
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    Jun 13, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
    John43620 saidWhile having the CDC and the Army center for defense against biological attack, Fort Detriech, MD is part of National Defense, people should buy their own condoms. With all the serious situations going on around the world, this subject doesn't deserve a back burner, it belongs back in the fridge.



    You are saying HIV is not a "serious situation" here in the USA and around the world?

    Let me guess, those with it deserved it right? That is the compassionate conservative talking point isn't it?

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    Jun 14, 2008 11:02 AM GMT
    Why is McCain wrong about this?

    Do we as liberals say that the US should not get involved in the rest of the world? We are not supposed to tell the rest of the world how to live? That we are not supposed to put our morals on everyone else? That under Bush we have spent 8 years telling other people what to do? And that is a bad thing and we should stop doing it? We are not supposed to moralize?

    Just a question?
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:08 AM GMT
    OH, I get it. America is supposed to step in no matter what the host counry thinks, when it comes to AIDS, but otherwise, we are bad if we step into their private discord.

    I love liberals. It's good when I say, but not when I don't.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 14, 2008 11:17 AM GMT
    Having John McSame as president will Again be a continuation of our sad relief effort across the world

    AIDS remains a terrible destabilizing force to third world govt's and yes John should still be on the "Front burner"
    You want Anti-Americanism to come down?
    then we have to act like the lone super-power that we are and forget the American Taliban religious crap we're peddling and fork up some money without strings

    The money we send out for AIDS relief and research now has to be earmarked for abstinence programs
    it cannot go to help prostitutes get out of prostitution
    it cannot go to places like the sex slave trade in Indonesia and elsewhere

    The rightwing nuts ride again
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:18 AM GMT
    I love it. American kids don't know how HIV is transmitted? Even though the CDC just said we wasted millions on the idea of str8 aids. The CDC just said that. That st8 aids was a myth. That we wasted millions of dollars on advertisements on the myth of st8 aids instead of targeting real at risk groups like GAY men and drug users. Makes me want to donate to gov't groups now. Gotta love gov't studies.
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:25 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidWhy is McCain wrong about this?

    Do we as liberals say that the US should not get involved in the rest of the world? We are not supposed to tell the rest of the world how to live? That we are not supposed to put our morals on everyone else? That under Bush we have spent 8 years telling other people what to do? And that is a bad thing and we should stop doing it? We are not supposed to moralize?

    Just a question?


    UM, John McCain is not wrong he is IGNORANT. He has (had at the time he was asked) no idea just what he thought about the issue but he was sure he must have some opinion but he will need to look it up. At least he is honest about his ineptitude not hiding it like Regan and Nancy did.
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:31 AM GMT
    Somebody explain to me:

    I hear constantly that the US should stay out of the rest of the world.

    That we try to push our agendas.

    That we try to push our way of life.

    That we think we know better than everyone else.

    That we are wrong, we should stay out, we should not try to interfer in the life of other countries.

    OH, yeah, but if they are in trouble, we should help, but not tell them what to do, but help, but stay out of their politics, but help.

    But if they have a crisis, we should come in and spend US taxpayers dollars, but then get out. But God forbid we tell them what to do, with our money, give it to them, even if the money goes to tyrants and not the people, but....

    GODDAMMM...US stay out of other peoples politics!!!! But Send Us your US Dollars!!!

    Yeah right....
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:37 AM GMT
    Ok, TJWsDraw

    What are we supposed to do?

    Should the US keep it's nose out of other people's business?

    Or get involved? And risk the shit we get for getting involved in other countries business?
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:43 AM GMT
    I love that you "quoted" me without responding to me. Your response was non-sensical. I really do not care what Nancy Reagan said nor is it relavant. Such is the discourse of this site.
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    Jun 14, 2008 11:49 AM GMT
    I think we can assist others without moralizing.

    If there is a place, say parts of Africa, that have an especially high rate of HIV infections we, as global citizens, can offer assistance for treatment and teach real prevention beyond candy coated fairytale wishes and dreams of "um, don't have sex until marriage - okay?"

    Indeed, I think it is possible to help others without heavy handed culturally imperialistic motives attached.

    When my friends and/or neighbors need help I do what I can without asking them to change their way of life to match mine or agree to adopt my belief systems.
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    Jun 14, 2008 12:04 PM GMT
    I am sorry but I am pissed.

    First of all, AIDS if Africa is not an American problem. It is a problem of dictatorships in African countries that steal every bit of relief, aids or otherwise, that come into African countries. And who supports these dictatorships? The UN. The fucking United Nations that will not stand up to these dictators who are stealing all of their own countries natural resources. So, the African countries wallow in despair and desperation, and the UN has cocktail parties with their leaders. Then they turn to the US and say we do not do enough to help. If we help, we are trying to control them, if we do not help then we are thoughtless.

    I, for one, am an American that would love to see the end of the UN... it does nothing or if you think it does, ask someone in Darfur. The UN has put out 27 directives against Isreal and none against the leaders in Darfur. It is a useless talking body.

    And if John McCain did not know the specifics about aid to Africa, maybe it is because we as a nation are asked to help so many fucked up counntries that we lose track. Hey France! Hey Germany! Can I get a hand?
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    Jun 14, 2008 12:14 PM GMT
    TJW-
    you sound just like the Spanish that came into my home state and told the Native people, hey we are not going to change your life, just do this and do that, don't change your life, but hey Christianity is not so bad. Keep farming and fishing but hey, we know better than you about sex, so just do what we say, not that we will change your...but
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    Jun 14, 2008 12:17 PM GMT
    and I am sorry. Is there another country besides the US that spends more on AIDS prevention in Africa? Are you saying we don't pass out condoms at all?
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    Jun 14, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    Because what we do and how we act globally makes people get on planes and blow up buildings...that's why

    If you think we can operate in a global vacuum you're sadly mistaken

    We need influence... to combat our enemies from foreign powers and be able to obtain some foreign resources that we cannot obtain ourselves

    How are we going to accomplish those aims by stopping all foreign aid?
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    Jun 14, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
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    Should the US keep it's nose out of other people's business?

    Or get involved? And risk the shit we get for getting involved in other countries business?


    /sarcasm/

    The world should thank America!

    The selfless nation that gives out aid... with political strings attached of course. So if Americans should help the African people combat AIDS they better all become republicans! Because, after all, it is American taxpayer's money that they have starved over just so they could give their share to the IRA.

    Good Americans are breaking an arm and a foot just to pay their taxes!, Some have even foregone another beach house or another Hum-Vee or a vacation in Acapulco just so they could pay their taxes. Why should this money just go somewhere else and feed famine victims or plague-stricken countries?! It's their fault the Multinational companies are raping their economies. It's their fault that almost all their resources end up being imported to Americans. It's their fault their own governments are sometimes totally fucked because they let American CIA in. It's their fault!

    It is American money and should be spent on good old American weapons! So Americans can hold back the hordes of barbarian nations.

    /sarcasm/

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    Jun 15, 2008 3:11 AM GMT
    Triggerman said
    And if John McCain did not know the specifics about aid to Africa, maybe it is because we as a nation are asked to help so many fucked up counntries that we lose track. Hey France! Hey Germany! Can I get a hand?


    John McCain knows NOTHING (here he is being asked about the good ol' USA):

    Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”

    Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”

    Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”

    Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was...


    This was not 1988 it was 2007!

    No excuse. None.

    No matter how loyal you are to your party you cannot convince me that anyone who is desirous of one of the most powerful leadership roles can be this idiotic.... oh wait... g.w., I guess the bar has been lowered.