The Death of Kim Jong IL from N. Korea.... Powerstruggle inevidable?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 19, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    Looks like the leader of North Korea has died.. one son is apparently the heir, but
    news sources appear to show a conflict. Certainly some opportunities here...
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    Dec 19, 2011 3:31 AM GMT
    I don't think there will be an Arab Spring type of thing happening in the DPRK. I'm speculating that who ever takes over will open up negotiations with South Korea. Maybe not unification, but more of a shift in politics.
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    Dec 19, 2011 3:33 AM GMT
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEADNewsCollection

    Very brief story here, 20+ comments, so you might get more discussion there than here. I have posted stories about Russia and there is almost no interest on RJ. I think there is relatively little interest here in international news, but when it comes to discussing the relevance of European economics to the US, suddenly everyone becomes an expert and has a strong opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 19, 2011 3:44 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEADNewsCollection

    Very brief story here, 20+ comments, so you might get more discussion there than here. I have posted stories about Russia and there is almost no interest on RJ. I think there is relatively little interest here in international news, but when it comes to discussing the relevance of European economics to the US, suddenly everyone becomes an expert and has a strong opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Probably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).
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    Dec 19, 2011 3:54 AM GMT
    And in other related news, a new South Park episode has just been born!
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    pocketnico said
    socalfitness saidhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEADNewsCollection

    Very brief story here, 20+ comments, so you might get more discussion there than here. I have posted stories about Russia and there is almost no interest on RJ. I think there is relatively little interest here in international news, but when it comes to discussing the relevance of European economics to the US, suddenly everyone becomes an expert and has a strong opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Probably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).

    True - but the dirty little secret is they don't understand much about Europe, or at least the politics and economics.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 19, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
    Looks like quite a stuggle and limited information.....
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 19, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    pocketnico said
    socalfitness saidhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEADNewsCollection

    Very brief story here, 20+ comments, so you might get more discussion there than here. I have posted stories about Russia and there is almost no interest on RJ. I think there is relatively little interest here in international news, but when it comes to discussing the relevance of European economics to the US, suddenly everyone becomes an expert and has a strong opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Probably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).

    True - but the dirty little secret is they don't understand much about Europe, or at least the politics and economics.


    I don't think it's necessary to classify those with interest in moving to Europe as "liberal"... lets be real.
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:47 AM GMT
    Do the Kardashians play any role in this.. Otherwise there won't be much interest.
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:55 AM GMT
    Seems not all RJ members are dumb jocks. Economic problems in Europe and the US obviously trigger more interest because they have a more immediate impact on the average person. I'm not sure things can get much worse for the hapless people there so hopefully the new leader will open things up a bit and let sunlight back into that depressing prison known as North Korea.
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    I hope it results in a better life for the North Koreans, but a lot can happen. We'll just have to wait to see how the situation plays out.
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    If anything, I hope whoever North Korea's next successor is will at least try to feed his people? I mean, what good is brainwashing an entire nation if they're not even alive to hear the sermons?
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    Dec 19, 2011 5:04 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said
    pocketnico said
    socalfitness saidhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEADNewsCollection

    Very brief story here, 20+ comments, so you might get more discussion there than here. I have posted stories about Russia and there is almost no interest on RJ. I think there is relatively little interest here in international news, but when it comes to discussing the relevance of European economics to the US, suddenly everyone becomes an expert and has a strong opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Probably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).

    True - but the dirty little secret is they don't understand much about Europe, or at least the politics and economics.


    I don't think it's necessary to classify those with interest in moving to Europe as "liberal"... lets be real.

    That wasn't my point.
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    Dec 19, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    I think it's already been announced that Kim Jong Un (his youngest son) is gonna take over. Jong Il said that his middle son was too girly and his oldest son said he had no interest in taking over. I don't know too much about Jong Un........except the fact that he's just as crazy if not crazier than his father.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Dec 19, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
    pocketnico saidProbably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).


    I've commented on your Russian threads!


    Most people, international relations experts included, are just as lost as the average person. Very few people outside of North Korea itself know what will happen. The only people who might have a fairly good idea of how things might progress is the Chinese. I suspect the #1 concern of the West, South Korea, and Japan is what will happen to the nuclear material North Korea has in its possession. I hate to say it, but right now, humanitarian concerns are the bottom of the priority list of most Western governments and the US intelligence apparatus.

    China is probably just as worried about the nuclear issue, however it is no secret the Chinese government DOES NOT want North Korean refugees coming across the border into China. Part of the reason China has been so quasi-soft on the North Koreans for all these years is because they do not want to destabilize North Korea to the point that refugees might be coming across the border in droves in a way that is currently happening with Syrians fleeing to Turkey and just recently with Libyans fleeing to Europe, especially to Italy.
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    Dec 19, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    Dollars to doughnuts the Chinese are holding the puppet strings in NK so I'm not too worried. The Chinese don't want to do anything that will wipe the trillions of dollar based assets they have.
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    Dec 19, 2011 5:33 AM GMT
    This shit is about to get real... I'm pissed I don't have CNN right now! Stupid TimeWarner! I'd kill for CNN right now. Being teathered via a cellphone works only to a point. =-(
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    Dec 19, 2011 7:10 AM GMT
    beneful1 saidDo the Kardashians play any role in this.. Otherwise there won't be much interest.


    Only if you can prove that Kim Kardashian is a relative of Kim Jong Il.

    Cue some smart aleck who will rib me about the single most common Korean surname not being the same thing as the first name of some Armenian-American bimbo.
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    Dec 19, 2011 7:14 AM GMT
    beneful1 saidDo the Kardashians play any role in this.. Otherwise there won't be much interest.



    OMG KIM DIED? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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    Dec 19, 2011 7:16 AM GMT
    Alpha1 said
    pocketnico saidProbably because lots of liberal Americans want to move to Europe or admire all things European, while virtually nobody has any interest in Russia (except me apparently).


    I've commented on your Russian threads!


    Most people, international relations experts included, are just as lost as the average person. Very few people outside of North Korea itself know what will happen. The only people who might have a fairly good idea of how things might progress is the Chinese. I suspect the #1 concern of the West, South Korea, and Japan is what will happen to the nuclear material North Korea has in its possession. I hate to say it, but right now, humanitarian concerns are the bottom of the priority list of most Western governments and the US intelligence apparatus.

    China is probably just as worried about the nuclear issue, however it is no secret the Chinese government DOES NOT want North Korean refugees coming across the border into China. Part of the reason China has been so quasi-soft on the North Koreans for all these years is because they do not want to destabilize North Korea to the point that refugees might be coming across the border in droves in a way that is currently happening with Syrians fleeing to Turkey and just recently with Libyans fleeing to Europe, especially to Italy.



    The other part is that China wants to keep the Norks as a buffer state to drain US resources into South Korea.

    A free unified Korea (South wins) would free up US forces ... or put them at China's back door.

    A unified Korea under the North would not happen without dragging the region into a major war, especially if the nukes come out.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 19, 2011 10:29 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI hope it results in a better life for the North Koreans, but a lot can happen. We'll just have to wait to see how the situation plays out.


    My guess is that nothing will really change here, as before, except we can hope that things will be a bit more stable with a new leader that has a grasp on reality.... the problem is, it will be their reality.
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    Dec 19, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    Jeandeau said
    beneful1 saidDo the Kardashians play any role in this.. Otherwise there won't be much interest.



    OMG KIM DIED? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    LOL
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    Dec 19, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    I propose Lil' Kim as a replacement.
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    Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM GMT
    Propaganda at its best.