Are AK-47s really used for hunting?

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    Jun 13, 2008 2:48 AM GMT
    I dont know anything about guns or hunting. But isnt an AK-47 an assault rifle use for war?

    "A 14-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed in a hunting accident by his grandfather, investigators said.

    According to the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, Taylor Michalec's grandfather said he was walking behind the teen when the trigger on his AK-47 assault rifle snagged a branch and discharged, striking the teen in the back."


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    Jun 13, 2008 5:22 AM GMT
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  • EricLA

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    Jun 13, 2008 6:51 AM GMT
    Sure, hunting with automatic weaponry is a great family activity:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5854686068870249151

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    Jun 13, 2008 7:25 AM GMT
    I feel for them, and it is a tragedy. It would have been prevented if they had followed the most basic of firearm and hunting safety rules. Negligence is what killed the boy.

    People hunt deer, coyote and pig with it around here. Not the most ideal firearm for long range or where you need a goodly amount of take down power, but it works.

    It's a rifle, it was designed for war. 'Assault rifle/weapon' is a government label used to vilify.
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    Jun 13, 2008 11:26 AM GMT
    I wouldn't hunt with an AK but I suppose it could be done. Usually there's a state regulation on magazine capacity for hunting and the AK Magazine holds 30 bullets, the usual state restriction are 3 to 5. If the trigger snagged, the safety should have been on. AKs have a rather large clunky safety switch, they're hard not to notice and when the safety is engaged, the ejection port is completely closed.

    If one is going to own a firearm, one is obligated to know everything about it and assume all responsibility for it when in one's possession.

    I certainly hope you aren't bringing this up with the purpose of advocating a ban on AKs and like weapons.







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    Jun 13, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    hhhmmmm what are u hunting??? In my ideal line of work... yes icon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 13, 2008 2:29 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI wouldn't hunt with an AK but I suppose it could be done. Usually there's a state regulation on magazine capacity for hunting and the AK Magazine holds 30 bullets, the usual state restriction are 3 to 5. If the trigger snagged, the safety should have been on. AKs have a rather large clunky safety switch, they're hard not to notice and when the safety is engaged, the ejection port is completely closed.

    If one is going to own a firearm, one is obligated to know everything about it and assume all responsibility for it when in one's possession.

    I certainly hope you aren't bringing this up with the purpose of advocating a ban on AKs and like weapons.


    I wouldnt propose a ban however I would have charged the grandfather with manslaughter if not murder. I believe if someone owns a weapon they should accept full responsibility for it. That includes knowing how to safely handle the weapon. If it "accidentally" goes off and shoots someone they should be charged for it.
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    Jun 13, 2008 2:41 PM GMT
    I bet the granddad feels devastated. I'd say a certain amount on sympathy is in order. Just because it's a gun crime doesn't mean he should be called to the maximum punishment for an accident.
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    Jun 13, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI wouldn't hunt with an AK but I suppose it could be done. Usually there's a state regulation on magazine capacity for hunting and the AK Magazine holds 30 bullets, the usual state restriction are 3 to 5. If the trigger snagged, the safety should have been on. AKs have a rather large clunky safety switch, they're hard not to notice and when the safety is engaged, the ejection port is completely closed.

    If one is going to own a firearm, one is obligated to know everything about it and assume all responsibility for it when in one's possession.

    I certainly hope you aren't bringing this up with the purpose of advocating a ban on AKs and like weapons


    No, I wasnt bringing this up for the purposes of banning the gun.

    I only knew of the AK-47 as like a gun for war. So I thought it really odd that the grandfather would have it out for hunting. Hence, the question title of this posting.
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    Jun 13, 2008 3:03 PM GMT
    They are especially useful when hunting the dreaded Satan goat

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:22 PM GMT
    You absolutely HAVE to hunt with a machine gun these days because those dang caribou have flooded the market with howitzers, anti-personnel mines, and armor-piercing bullets. Who knows what that pheasant is gonna be packin'?

    Hunting with an automatic rifle is only necessary for idiots with tiny dicks who can't shoot straight and need to compensate for their insecurities. It's ridiculous that they're even available to the general public. Too many accidents and deaths have been caused by people not trained to use them.
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    Jun 13, 2008 3:24 PM GMT
    That's not Satan, that's Baphomet, he gets pissed when mistaken for Satan. On the first day of the new moon sacrifice a goat and beg forgivness.

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    Jun 13, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThat's not Satan, that's Baphomet, he gets pissed when mistaken for Satan. On the first day of the new moon sacrifice a goat and beg forgivness.
    You are right, the pentagram is not inverted either. So are you saying the AK-47 isn't good enough for making goat stew?
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    Jun 13, 2008 6:22 PM GMT
    John43620 said Usually there's a state regulation on magazine capacity for hunting and the AK Magazine holds 30 bullets, the usual state restriction are 3 to 5.


    Five round mags for the AKs/ARs/SKSs/M14s are available. I've ordered quite a few for people who hunt with their autos.

    Trance23 saidJust because it's a gun crime doesn't mean he should be called to the maximum punishment for an accident.


    Dear fellow, if it's an accident it's not a crime, and thus not punishable. icon_razz.gif

    irishboxers saidYou absolutely HAVE to hunt with a machine gun these days...


    Exaggerate for emphasis much? Of course one would assume the it would be based in some semblance of reality, but since civilians can't own modern machine guns, it fails.

    irishboxers said
    Hunting with an automatic rifle is only necessary for idiots with tiny dicks who can't shoot straight and need to compensate for their insecurities.


    Make asinine statements much?

    irishboxers said It's ridiculous that they're even available to the general public. Too many accidents and deaths have been caused by people not trained to use them.


    Yep, you do. Tsk tsk.
    Same with motorcycles, boats, cars, microwaves, wall outlets, cocktail umbrellas, banana peels... banbanban!
    Inanimate objects don't CAUSE anything, people making poor decisions are the CAUSE.

    It's not the smoker, it's the cigarette. icon_rolleyes.gif I see them hopping down the sidewalks all the time, spewing their toxins.

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    Jun 13, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    I am not a hunter (I come from a family of conservationists) but it does not seem very sporting to hunt animals with an AK-47. But maybe I am just old-fashioned.
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    Jun 13, 2008 9:05 PM GMT
    JBE60 saidI am not a hunter (I come from a family of conservationists) but it does not seem very sporting to hunt animals with an AK-47. But maybe I am just old-fashioned.


    Your average .308 hunting rifle has much more power than the 7.62x39 round. Or do you mean the semi-auto nature of the rifle? It may seem that way, but experience teaches that you really only get one shot. If you miss, the animal is going to be moving and your chances of a hit are minuscule.

    AKs used to be cheap rifles that were fun and cheap to shoot. You could buy a box of hollow points for $4. It was a great multi-purpose plinking/light hunting rifle, and still is. Even though ammo prices have risen with everything else the surplus 7.62x39 round is hard to get because of government contracts. It's the round Afghans and Iraqis use.

    AKs are still cheaper than a mid-range hunting rifle, and even though they aren't ideal, price and cool factor usually win the day.
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    Jun 13, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    Yeah... You can make apple pie with a blowtorch too

    ... but I wouldn't suggest it

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    Dagnabbit! Don't be foolin' around with mah guns y'all
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    Jun 13, 2008 11:49 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYeah... You can make apple pie with a blowtorch too

    ... but I wouldn't suggest it


    LIES!!

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    Dagnabbit! Don't be foolin' around with mah guns y'all


    Amen, brother! icon_razz.gif
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    Jun 14, 2008 12:08 AM GMT
    I think out of all my guns that my Yugoslavian M70 underfolder AK is the most fun.

    Attractive, cheap and easy which are traits anyone can identify with. icon_cool.gif

    As far as the accident goes... there is little margin for error when it comes to hunting in groups. There are many folks that I simply will not hunt with because of habits that I've observed. Stalking with the safety off, flagging others with the weapon, and not being absolutely sure of the target are my main concerns.

    The AK is a brilliant weapon but if the grandfather carried the weapon one handed with the selector on FIRE in the bush, he was being careless.

    Not to mention that many AK varients are built from parts kits imported and then assembled by individuals with than a less than stellar working knowledge of firearms.

    My condolences to the family.

    Jeff

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    Jun 14, 2008 1:02 AM GMT
    whitenoise saidAs far as the accident goes... there is little margin for error when it comes to hunting in groups. There are many folks that I simply will not hunt with because of habits that I've observed. Stalking with the safety off, flagging others with the weapon, and not being absolutely sure of the target are my main concerns.
    Translation: if you look like this ..

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    you probably will not be my hunting buddy.icon_biggrin.gif
  • USMCjock

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    Jun 14, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
    Hunting IS conservationist by nature- un-controlled expansion of populations of animals whose natural predators have been eliminated leads to a far more cruel, slow and painful death by starvation and disese.

    I own an AR-15, and it is FUN to shoot- HORRORS, I know- but hey.... Im a typical white person who clings to my guns and religion, and have antipathy towards people who look different than me...
  • USMCjock

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    Jun 14, 2008 1:12 AM GMT
    I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than drive with Ted Kennedy!

    My "assault rifle" has never killed anyone, unlike Tipsy Ted's drunk driving without a license. Come to think of it, neither has my SigSauer 9mm, my .38spl, or my 12ga Shottie.

    As noted above, if we could just BAN automobiles, we would save 50,000 Americans every year- not to mention the reduction in greenhouse gases! Now, about those pesky cow farts...
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    Jun 14, 2008 1:41 AM GMT
    Guns are stupid, nearly as stupid as drunk drivers.

    It's a sad thing that G-pa didn't see fit to handle his weapon in a responsible manner. As a result, he shot his grandson in the back.

    Now I ask you, do you think G-pa's feelings on gun control have changed? Would he be willing to trade his right to bear war weapons for his grandson?
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    Jun 14, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    pdxboxer saidGuns are stupid, nearly as stupid as drunk drivers.

    One is an inanimate object, the other is a status/condition and a result of poor judgment, I fail to see the similarity. Enlighten me?

    pdxboxer said
    It's a sad thing that G-pa didn't see fit to handle his weapon in a responsible manner. As a result, he shot his grandson in the back.

    Now I ask you, do you think G-pa's feelings on gun control have changed? Would he be willing to trade his right to bear war weapons for his grandson?


    You're blurring Ability with Choice. The Right to bear arms is not a requirement to bear arms.
    He chose to possess a firearm, he was not forced or coerced. He failed to abide by basic safety principles and the outcome that they exist to help prevent is what happened. The cause was human error, it is tragic and avoidable.

    My aunt and her two infant daughters were killed when a man driving a big rig ran a stop light. The cause was human error, it is tragic and avoidable.

    And to your question: If he takes responsibility for his own negligence, No.
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    Jun 14, 2008 5:57 AM GMT
    pdxboxerGuns are stupid, nearly as stupid as drunk drivers


    Assigning intelligence to inanimate objects is inherently stupid.

    I don't think we'd be having this discussion if grandpa was using his 30-30 lever action Winchester.

    If we banned every weapon that had its beginnings as a war implement we'd have a hard time finding cutlery as well.



    Jeff