DOES OBAMA FINALLY HAVE THE AMO HE NEEDS FOR 2012?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 20, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
    With all the disagreement over the payroll tax and whether to extend it for two months or a year, Obama finally has some real ammunition to show
    what a mess the republican controlled house of representatives is and how
    the tea baggers have muddied the entire process.

    A major collision between the House and Senate... total division between
    republican members in the House & Senate and something that the American people can see in these tough economic times.....

    The failure to communicate, the failure to negotiate & compromise...
    .... and hopefully the need to make appropriate changes in the 2012 elections.. at least we can hope!
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    This, from a CNN article on the split:

    On Monday, at least five mostly moderate Republican senators voiced disapproval with the likely House rejection of the Senate plan, a sign of increasing pressure on House Republicans to pass it.

    The group included Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana and Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada.

    After the House vote Tuesday, Brown issued a statement that said House Republicans "would rather continue playing politics than find solutions."

    "Their actions will hurt American families and be detrimental to our fragile economy," said Brown, who is facing a stiff re-election challenge in heavily Democratic Massachusetts next year. "We are Americans first; now is not the time for drawing lines in the sand."


    If taxes do go up on the middle class.. what an AWESOME political ad
    featuring Brown denouncing republicans.

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    Dec 20, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Absolutely. The Tea Baggers in Congress have turned into a circular firing squad.
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    Dec 20, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    Anyone ask a CPA or payroll processor how they feel about a 2 month tax cut? Won't that be difficult and expensive to implement?
    Why not go for a 12 month term?
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    Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
    Just Googled this:


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/payroll-processors-fume-as-congress-fiddles-on-tax-cut-extension.html

    Payroll processors are warning that a two-month payroll tax-cut extension passed by the U.S. Senate would be difficult to implement.

    Payroll companies can react quickly to a yearlong extension for the first paycheck of 2012 or adjust the second paycheck to correct problems, said Pete Isberg, president of the National Payroll Reporting Consortium, an industry group. Payroll providers underscore that they don’t like a second consecutive year of December tax law changes or the Senate-backed two-month extension of the tax cut that could create unprecedented complications.

    “Payroll people feel like their concerns are not heard at the congressional level sometimes,” said Mike O’Toole, who oversees government relations at the American Payroll Association. “Or else, Congress wouldn’t even consider something like a two-month extension that in the end is going to cost companies more money to pay for reprogramming systems.”

    Read more at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-19/payroll-processors-fume-as-congress-fiddles-on-tax-cut-extension.html

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    Dec 20, 2011 10:28 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite saidPayroll processors are warning that a two-month payroll tax-cut extension passed by the U.S. Senate would be difficult to implement.

    Absolutely correct.

    A few points

    1. Obama originally wanted year long extension

    2. House obliged and passed a year long extension

    3. Senate tried to call House bluff by passing a 2 month bill, difficult to implement and solely for politics

    4. House rejected Senate bill and called for joint committee to resolve

    5. Senate refused

    6. Obama blames Republicans.

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    I don't know if the comments above the poster I quoted reflect wishful thinking, blind ideology, or just plain dishonesty. The discussion is pathetic. I have seldom seen such a distortion of the truth. And if you think all this helps Obama against say a Romney / Rice team, you're smoking something.
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    Our government can now legally pick us up and detain us indefinitely and you're worried about payroll tax?
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    StudlyScrewRite saidPayroll processors are warning that a two-month payroll tax-cut extension passed by the U.S. Senate would be difficult to implement.

    Absolutely correct.

    A few points

    1. Obama originally wanted year long extension

    2. House obliged and passed a year long extension

    3. Senate tried to call House bluff by passing a 2 month bill, difficult to implement and solely for politics

    4. House rejected Senate bill and called for joint committee to resolve

    5. Senate refused

    6. Obama blames Republicans.

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    I don't know if the comments above the poster I quoted reflect wishful thinking, blind ideology, or just plain dishonesty. The discussion is pathetic. I have seldom seen such a distortion of the truth. And if you think all this helps Obama against say a Romney / Rice team, you're smoking something.


    Yes. And the Senate went for 2-month version because that's what Mitch McConnell wanted and he assured Obama et al that it would pass the Republican-controlled House. And the administration relented on the disastrous Keystone plan. Then the House balked.

    So, yes, it's the Republicans fault. In fact, that this is being discussed at the end of the year is ridiculous. This is the third year in a row that Republican obstructionism has resulted in millions of Americans worried that they won't get unemployment checks, or will have their taxes raised in January. I doubt that's helping with the Christmas shopping.

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    Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidSo, yes, it's the Republicans fault. In fact, that this is being discussed at the end of the year is ridiculous.

    Horse manure. The Democratic-controlled Senate has not come up with a proposed budget in months. Had a budget been in place, much of this would have never needed to happen. More games by the Democrats and they will pay.

    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/34649.pdf
    Although it also does not have the force of law, the budget resolution is a central part of the budget process in Congress.
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:45 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSo, yes, it's the Republicans fault. In fact, that this is being discussed at the end of the year is ridiculous.

    Horse manure. The Democratic-controlled Senate has not come up with a proposed budget in months. Had a budget been in place, much of this would have never needed to happen. More games by the Democrats and they will pay.

    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/34649.pdf
    Although it also does not have the force of law, the budget resolution is a central part of the budget process in Congress.


    Whatever helps you sleep at night...

    Democrats already more trusted on economy than Republicans, who are thought by a broad majority to care only about the Rich.

    And you're going to run Romney. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThe discussion is pathetic. I have seldom seen such a distortion of the truth. And if you think all this helps Obama against say a Romney / Rice team, you're smoking something.



    I think the American people are not going to take kindly to being treated like a bunch of idiots by Obama. They are far smarter than he gives them credit for, and I suspect he will hear that loud and clear in about 11 months from now.
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    socalfitness saidThe discussion is pathetic. I have seldom seen such a distortion of the truth. And if you think all this helps Obama against say a Romney / Rice team, you're smoking something.



    I think the American people are not going to take kindly to being treated like a bunch of idiots by Obama. They are far smarter than he gives them credit for, and I suspect he will hear that loud and clear in about 11 months from now.


    Again, if that helps you put your head on the pillow by all means believe it, but - excepting you, Todd - so many of the guys on here are so filled with hatred for Obama that they can't see the forest from the trees.

    Gingrich is collapsing (due to attacks from Republicans) and is it really wise to run a multimillionaire who made his money by offshoring jobs and driving companies into bankruptcy? The optics alone are terrible.
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    socalfitness saidThe discussion is pathetic. I have seldom seen such a distortion of the truth. And if you think all this helps Obama against say a Romney / Rice team, you're smoking something.



    I think the American people are not going to take kindly to being treated like a bunch of idiots by Obama. They are far smarter than he gives them credit for, and I suspect he will hear that loud and clear in about 11 months from now.
    Actually Todd.. the majority are going to see Boehner as the bad guy here.. They kinda fucked the goat on this one regardless of who did what!
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidis it really wise to run a multimillionaire who made his money by offshoring jobs and driving companies into bankruptcy?



    Those are more liberal talking points than actually real facts, and all of that will be vetted out in the general campaign anyway. "Driving companies into bankruptcy" isn't really a fair statement. Not ALL companies succeed....Romney even said as much in the last debate. Romney also has many successes to his credit, The Salt Lake City Winter Olympics in 2002 to name one of the best known, and again, all of this will be thoroughly vetted out in the campaign should Romney get the nomination. No, I do not hate Obama, in fact, there is a lot about him I actually like. That said, he is going to have his hands full in 2012 regardless of who he is running against. Not really looking forward to what will likely be the nastiest U.S. election in history.
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    Dec 21, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidActually Todd.. the majority are going to see Boehner as the bad guy here.. They kinda fucked the goat on this one regardless of who did what!



    Truth be told, "The Majority" is probably going to be disgusted with ALL of them regardless of what party they are in. This inability to get business done is a combination of many things, and to blame it on one party or the other is disingenuous because they are all one big gigantic FAIL right now.
  • creature

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    Dec 21, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    The Tea Party-fueled Congress inadvertently gave President Obama a leg up for his re-election effort. Congress has hit a record low of approval. President Obama is scoring big with smaller donations, exceeding the expectations he and the Democratic National Committee set.

    If Republicans continue to pander to their Tea Party constituency, I'm betting than another Democratic candidate will win the 2016 election. Republicans have a lot of growing up to do.
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    Dec 21, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    Christian73 said...and is it really wise to run a multimillionaire who made his money by offshoring jobs and driving companies into bankruptcy? The optics alone are terrible.

    Romney explains it quite well. Some business succeed, some do not, but there is no indication of any intent to deliberately damage any business. It is part of the free enterprise system that is foreign to you. You fail on that point. Also if the Republicans were not serious and were holding back as you allege, who have they convinced not to run. Be specific.
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    Dec 21, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidSo, yes, it's the Republicans fault. In fact, that this is being discussed at the end of the year is ridiculous.

    Horse manure. The Democratic-controlled Senate has not come up with a proposed budget in months. Had a budget been in place, much of this would have never needed to happen. More games by the Democrats and they will pay.

    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/34649.pdf
    Although it also does not have the force of law, the budget resolution is a central part of the budget process in Congress.


    Whatever helps you sleep at night...

    Democrats already more trusted on economy than Republicans, who are thought by a broad majority to care only about the Rich.

    And you're going to run Romney. icon_lol.gif


    Romney=Businessman
    Obama= Community Organizer, failed President

    I think its a no brainer. I'm going with Romney.




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    Dec 21, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said...and is it really wise to run a multimillionaire who made his money by offshoring jobs and driving companies into bankruptcy? The optics alone are terrible.

    Romney explains it quite well. Some business succeed, some do not, but there is no indication of any intent to deliberately damage any business. It is part of the free enterprise system that is foreign to you. You fail on that point. Also if the Republicans were not serious and were holding back as you allege, who have they convinced not to run. Be specific.


    Bain's entire business model was to "deliberately damage" all businesses they were involved in. Buy a weak company, layoffs as much workers as they can, sell off the value assets and subsidiaries, and drink up the profits. It's just vulture capitalism with these douche bags being carrion stripping the flesh of once great companies.

    Someone on the radio put it best: "Romney is Richard Gere in Pretty Woman without the hooker or the happy ending."

    And I never said the Republicans were "holding back", just that many better candidates decided not to run and wait for 2016, among them Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and a host of others.
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    Dec 21, 2011 3:56 AM GMT
    These things will give obama an adavantage in the election:

    Since Obma took office:
    1. Obamacare
    2. Lily Bedwetter Act
    3. Price of Gas: Up by 85%
    4. Federal Debt: Bush doubled it in 8 years; Obama can do it in 4!
    5. Long-Term Unemployed: Up by 146%
    6. Health Premiums: Up by 23%
    7. Food Stamp Recipients: Up by 13,000,000

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    Dec 21, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidBain's entire business model was to "deliberately damage" all businesses they were involved in. Buy a weak company, layoffs as much workers as they can, sell off the value assets and subsidiaries, and drink up the profits. It's just vulture capitalism with these douche bags being carrion stripping the flesh of once great companies.

    Provide proof what they "deliberately" did.
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    Dec 21, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark saidActually Todd.. the majority are going to see Boehner as the bad guy here.. They kinda fucked the goat on this one regardless of who did what!



    Truth be told, "The Majority" is probably going to be disgusted with ALL of them regardless of what party they are in. This inability to get business done is a combination of many things, and to blame it on one party or the other is disingenuous because they are all one big gigantic FAIL right now.


    Normally I would certainly give credence to this point,.. but not this time.
    I think it's clear what happened this time and I hope the House membership
    changes significantly if the payroll tax efforts fail .
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    Dec 21, 2011 4:51 AM GMT
    This is Republicans playing politics again to win the white house..

    Let the economy get worse by doing nothing, so when November comes around the economy will be worst and sway America into blaming Obama so the Republicans can be in full control again.. I think America has learned their lesson and are more concerned about politics than ever..With congress being at a single 7% approval.. The Democrats are going to win back the house, senate and Obama will once again win by a landslide.. 2016 is not even looking good for Republicans.. I think it has come to a time where the Republican party is going to become "Fazed out".. Ronald Regan is rolling in the grave right about now.. If he were still alive he might have already switched back over to the Democratic party again..


    They know they are hanging by a thread and they are trying everything to gain control.. It's going to fail and bite them right in the butt.. I'm a former Republican..
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    Dec 21, 2011 4:58 AM GMT
    no1timehookups said I'm a former Republican..
    Me too! icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 21, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidBain's entire business model was to "deliberately damage" all businesses they were involved in. Buy a weak company, layoffs as much workers as they can, sell off the value assets and subsidiaries, and drink up the profits. It's just vulture capitalism with these douche bags being carrion stripping the flesh of once great companies.

    Provide proof what they "deliberately" did.


    The proof is in their business model. It's their avowed mode of operation. Sure, Romney soft sells it, but most analysts who have looked at Bain's track record say they've lost more jobs and bankrupted more companies they anything else.

    Wait till THOSE commercials start playing. Plus Romney is terrible in the face of even slight criticism. He almost lost his shit on Faux News because Brett Bair dared to ask him a question.

    The other interesting rumor is that Roger Ailes is telling the Faux News howler monkeys to dial down the partisanship, and Faux has already proven they're anti-Romney, so he loses that edge. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 21, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 saidBain's entire business model was to "deliberately damage" all businesses they were involved in. Buy a weak company, layoffs as much workers as they can, sell off the value assets and subsidiaries, and drink up the profits. It's just vulture capitalism with these douche bags being carrion stripping the flesh of once great companies.

    Provide proof what they "deliberately" did.


    The proof is in their business model.

    Document their business model and show how that model does as you allege. I think you've got nothing to back up your ridiculous statements.