Annonymous, hate filled, letter left at gay bar in Des Moines, IA

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    Dec 22, 2011 6:18 AM GMT
    First off... it looks like it was written by a 7 year old... this is what it said:

    "Your suckhole joint is Iowa's #1 ticket to hell for all the faggots and dykes who doom this once-great-state that's become a severe war zone for potentially hell-bound queers who deserve to die now, especially those in queer marriages. May your breeding ground for homos burn down some day for your advertisements in support of gay marriage and gay pride. Your worthless customers and maybe even you are nothing but 1st class human sexual waste that creates shame, disgrace, and dishonor to the true and honorable people of God."

    This makes me sick.
  • iowaguy000

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    Dec 22, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
    I wonder if it was Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann. Both are touring the state.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    Trollileo saidIs there a link to this?


    Every homo in Iowa has in on their facebook by now...
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    Dec 22, 2011 12:58 PM GMT
    Come on guys. Grow up.

    Plenty of folks out there hate folks for all kinds of reasons.

    Docs that do abortions, people of different colors, people of different religions (wars in middle east, anyone?)

    People cause they're gay. Folks who eat animals (yum, beef). Or because you're a republican...or a democrat...

    Lunatics have been around forever. Grow you some thicker skin, and recognize that:

    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion

    2) If you don't agree with it, turn and walk away. This was non-threatening, not directly aimed at an individual, it was simply a voicing of opinion towards a very large group of folks.

    3) please stop taking every lunatic seriously, and learn that there will always be negative people out there. Live you life to make you happy. And ignore those or rebuff those who want to tear you down - life is challenging enough without.



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    Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM GMT
    And if every homo in IA has it on their facebook,

    You've just given this one anonymous individual a heck of a lot of power...

    Just saying.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
    Another ignorant moron who isn't deserved of a platform when they spew
    hatred like that.....

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    Dec 22, 2011 2:06 PM GMT
    guyjeep8 saidAnd if every homo in IA has it on their facebook,

    You've just given this one anonymous individual a heck of a lot of power...

    Just saying.
    ^truth

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    Dec 22, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    guyjeep8 saidAnd if every homo in IA has it on their facebook,

    You've just given this one anonymous individual a heck of a lot of power...

    Just saying.


    Better for a threat to be recognized than ignored and disregarded, leading to a more substantial plan of action.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    guyjeep8 said
    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion







    Um yeah we did that with Hitler. Do I really need to document how that turned out for people?

    jussayin'
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    guyjeep8 said...

    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion


    I think I have to disagree with this one. They can voice their opinion in a small group, but they don't have rights to send or leave threatening or discriminatory letters to the person or people they are discriminating against, I think that would have to be considered some sort of harassment or threat. The right to safety, and feeling safe overrides any right to voicing a public or personal offensive opinion.



    Unfortunately, hate speech is protected under the First Amendment here in the US, even when it's as disgusting as that letter in the OP. There is no imminent threat of violence in the note, so it's simply free speech. Of course, not only is the writer an asshat, but he's also a coward.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    Clearly the work of a nut job. I would be more concerned about something far less offensive, but written by a sane person.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    what we also need to remember here is that our nation was established FOR FREEDOM FROM RELIGIOUS OPPRESSION.


    NOT for the freedom TO OPPRESS WITH RELIGION.

    bigdiffsies.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    No question. Written by a republican. Only that lot could come up with so much hate.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI could be wrong, but I don't think the US Bill of Rights actually protects hate speech. The first amendment states:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    That means that congress or the federal government cannot make a law, but it says nothing about individual states.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights


    I think in a supreme court case against the Westborough Baptist Church, they actually deemed that hate speech is still protected speech... I think it's only prohibited if it poses a threat or risk to a specific individual. :/ I could be wrong about that though

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2720507
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    lifeismusic said
    AMoonHawk saidI could be wrong, but I don't think the US Bill of Rights actually protects hate speech. The first amendment states:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    That means that congress or the federal government cannot make a law, but it says nothing about individual states.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights


    I think in a supreme court case against the Westborough Baptist Church, they actually deemed that hate speech is still protected speech... I think it's only prohibited if it poses a threat or risk to a specific individual. :/ I could be wrong about that though

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/2720507



    You are right. And no state can create a law that violates the US Constitution (well, they can try, but it will be overturned). Supreme Court rulings such as Westboro have made it very difficult to prove that something like that note in the bar is not protected speech.
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:55 PM GMT
    Jeandeau said
    guyjeep8 said
    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion




    Um yeah we did that with Hitler. Do I really need to document how that turned out for people?

    jussayin'


    This rather naive understanding of "free speech" is rather foolish. The letter has a threat in it to kill gay people. I don´t think for one second that people should be protected in saying that, any more than they should be allowed to advocate the murder of blacks or Jews.
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    Dec 22, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Jeandeau said
    guyjeep8 said
    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion




    Um yeah we did that with Hitler. Do I really need to document how that turned out for people?

    jussayin'


    This rather naive understanding of "free speech" is rather foolish. The letter has a threat in it to kill gay people. I don´t think for one second that people should be protected in saying that, any more than they should be allowed to advocate the murder of blacks or Jews.


    rather.
  • Montague

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    Dec 22, 2011 7:16 PM GMT
    Iowa was once great?
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    Dec 22, 2011 7:17 PM GMT
    How 'gay' of them to leave a note

    They're not 'man' enough to speak his mind in person?
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    Dec 22, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    Knowing there are red necks in the US is hardly breaking news. I have had far worse said to me.
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    Dec 22, 2011 7:21 PM GMT
    Yeah, it was probably Rick Santorum, who is masquerading as a straight guy.icon_twisted.gif
  • Trepeat

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    Dec 22, 2011 7:32 PM GMT
    "A g'ol fashioned, hand-written letter! That'll show 'em!" icon_twisted.gif

    We must stop this abomination before it escalates into emails, or -Godforbid- phone calls!
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    Dec 22, 2011 7:56 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    Jeandeau said
    guyjeep8 said
    1) you *must* respect their right to voice their opinion. It's one of the founding tenants of this country, and I would never deny anyone the right to express their opinion




    Um yeah we did that with Hitler. Do I really need to document how that turned out for people?

    jussayin'


    This rather naive understanding of "free speech" is rather foolish. The letter has a threat in it to kill gay people. I don´t think for one second that people should be protected in saying that, any more than they should be allowed to advocate the murder of blacks or Jews.



    Not that it matters since we don't know who the coward is who wrote the letter, but it doesn't make a specific threat, it simply says gays "deserve to die." There's no way a prosecution of the letter writer (if we knew who he was) would go very far.
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    Dec 22, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
    So....left it IN a gay bar? What was the thinking there?: "I'm going to go in there, get a few beers and if no hot guys hit on me, I'm gonna leave them this letter!" ??
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    Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
    It's rather quaint to handwrite hate mail these days. Couldn't they at least have pasted it together from words cut out of the newspaper?