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How many of you believe in this saying?

I personally do not.... Ive tried it and it got me into trouble so I do not trust my heart .... i think its just feelings and emotions and they pass.... I do believe in a certain subconscious "knowing" like when you "know" your family is ill because they keep popping in your head and you call and they turn out to be.... but I dont trust my emotions... thats different.. my intuition I will listen to... my feelings.. no

"I do believe in a certain subconscious "knowing" like when you "know" your family is ill because they keep popping in your head and you call and they turn out to be.... but I dont trust my emotions... thats different"

I think the same kind of way, but even though your mind and your muscles are very different things, when they work together the result is walking.


-Doug

I'd like to let my feelings do the talking and deciding. They are usually right on. The way I decide things are based on the way I feel about a certain subject. I don't do a certain thing unless I feel good about it. Now, regardless of the eventual outcome, I know I felt good in the process, so even if the outcome is not up to par with what I desired, I can accept it gracefully.

GreenHopper saidHow many of you believe in this saying?

I personally do not.... Ive tried it and it got me into trouble so I do not trust my heart .... i think its just feelings and emotions and they pass.... I do believe in a certain subconscious "knowing" like when you "know" your family is ill because they keep popping in your head and you call and they turn out to be.... but I dont trust my emotions... thats different

I tend to agree with you. Though I would say, however, I do let my feelings inform my decisions, but they don't and shouldn't have the final say. They are not my master. I am the master of my emotions. ;-)

I think it means different things to different people. I do believe it because when I decided to atop trying to make everyone around ne happy all the time and started focusing on myself and what I wanted for my life - then started pursuing it. Things changed for the better for ne. To me that's following your heart. I am going to continue doing it.

I can't control my heart's BPM. If I listened to it for the tempo I'd never find my way.

And yet no one has posted this classic. Tsk tsk tsk. V_V!



@GreenHopper: Hey gurl love ya. ;) Haha!

likewatuc said@GreenHopper: Hey gurl love ya. ;) Haha!

Wait. Greenhopper's a girl?

I definitely listen to what my heart tells me, probably more than I should. I make a lot of my decisions based on what I "feel" rather than what I probably "should" do.

But I do agree with what a couple of other posters have said, I believe you should allow your heart to help inform your decisions and opinions, but you should try not to let it rule you. I believe someone has already said you have to be the master of your emotions.

I think that there is a balance between heart and mind. People that lead only with their mind tend to be cold and disconnected, and people that lead only with their heart tend to be easily ruled by their emotions - so I think there is a balance somewhere in the middle.

....Oh, and I totally was listening to Listen to Your Heart by D.H.T. while I wrote that so if it sounds sappy, it's not my fault.

Trollileo said

likewatuc said@GreenHopper: Hey gurl love ya. ;) Haha!

Wait. Greenhopper's a girl?

Duh. Haha. Just kidding so don't get your undies in a knot GH. lol ;)

The human heart is a pretty amazing thing. It keeps breaking and putting itself back together, each time becoming something new. Hopefully something braver, stronger. Pain unfortunately is part of the process. Don't fight it by building walls. That would be lame.

GreenHopper said.... but I dont trust my emotions... thats different

I agree. Whenevr emotions run strong, say during the illness or death of a loved one, out of control anger or frustration with someone, or falling in love... I tend to make pretty sucky decisions.

But when I "listen to my heart" in terms of deep-seated gut feelings or intuition about something, someone, or a situation it's usually right. In fact, I should learn to cultivate my intuition better than I have. My red flags and green flags are pretty accurate when I pay attention to them.

The physical truth is that your emotions more control you than you control them. Why?

Because per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala, the amygdala, which performs the "....primary roles in the formation and storage of memories associated with emotional events.",.. "...sends impulses to the hypothalamus for activation of the sympathetic nervous system, to the thalamic reticular nucleus for increased reflexes, to the nuclei of the trigeminal nerve and the facial nerve, and to the ventral tegmental area, locus coeruleus, and laterodorsal tegmental nucleus for activation of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine..." blablabla

The important thing to note is that as neurological pathways are one way and as there are more pathways leading out of the amygdala than there are going in, it is easier for it to control you than for you to control it.

As thinking does form physical neurological connections in the brain, I don't know if it is known but possibly we can develop new pathways back to the amygdala so that we can send it some signals too.

I think the technical term is something your mother used to tell you: "control yourself."

Other structures involving emotions include...



http://www.livestrong.com/article/111575-parts-brain-control/
"Two important structures of the diencephalon are the thalamus and the hypothalamus. The thalamus serves as a relay between the cerebral cortex and other parts of the brain. All sensory signals except smell enter the thalamus, and its neurons send them further to the cerebral cortex for processing.

The hypothalamus is involved in homeostasis, or the body's equilibrium, emotions, thirst, hunger and circadian rhythms, or the body's sleep/wake cycle. It also regulates the autonomic nervous system that controls the inner organs. The hypothalamus controls the pituitary gland, which produces hormones that influence other hormone-producing glands."

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http://www.livestrong.com/article/111575-parts-brain-control/
"The cortex is divided into four sections or lobes. The frontal lobe is associated with reasoning, planning, problem solving, language and higher emotions, such as empathy and altruism"

You can deny it all you want, rationalize it away, you can even act against it as best you can, though you have no choice but to "listen" to your figurative heart.

theantijock said
You can deny it all you want, rationalize it away, you can even act against it as best you can, though you have no choice but to "listen" to your figurative heart.

I disagree.. through breath control you can greatly alter your mental and emotional state as well as the fear-response

The saying "listen to your dick" is the saying that always gets me into trouble.

huhwhat saidThe human heart is a pretty amazing thing. It keeps breaking and putting itself back together, each time becoming something new. Hopefully something braver, stronger. Pain unfortunately is part of the process.

My Heart doesn't have walls, but it sure has built up some thick armour.

GreenHopper said

theantijock said
You can deny it all you want, rationalize it away, you can even act against it as best you can, though you have no choice but to "listen" to your figurative heart.

I disagree.. through breath control you can greatly alter your mental and emotional state as well as the fear-response

Yes, well, and I disagree that the world is not flat, but so it goes.

That you can learn to control yourself does not mean that you can stop listening. I suppose the alternative would be to cover your ears and go nahnahnahnahnahanhnahnahnahnah a lot, or you could always cut out some of the structures of your brain.

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."~~saying

theantijock said

GreenHopper said

theantijock said
You can deny it all you want, rationalize it away, you can even act against it as best you can, though you have no choice but to "listen" to your figurative heart.

I disagree.. through breath control you can greatly alter your mental and emotional state as well as the fear-response

Yes, well, and I disagree that the world is not flat, but so it goes.

That you can learn to control yourself does not mean that you can stop listening. I suppose the alternative would be to cover your ears and go nahnahnahnahnahanhnahnahnahnah a lot.

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."~~saying

Lol dont knock it till youve tried it.... If a parent can calm a child's fears, then your inner parent can calm your inner child's fears.... if you had no ability to control your feelings rationally, you would have no use for human language... all your mind needs to change how it feels is a word that it associates with something else... If you have a snake phobia, all I need to do is say the word snake in the language you speak for your amygdala to run amock.... then taking your mind off it and focusing fully on something else can change how you feel again.. the human brain is very pliable....

when the heart, the mind and the dick all agree on the same guy.....THAT'S a "keeper".

Trollileo said

likewatuc said@GreenHopper: Hey gurl love ya. ;) Haha!

Wait. Greenhopper's a girl?

Only for you, obviously..

rnch saidwhen the heart, the mind and the dick all agree on the same guy.....THAT'S a "keeper".

O no, not guys again lol... Do we HAVE to keep talking about guys? They pop into my head enough as it is

If you have to listen to something, may as well be your own heart. Sometimes I have to force myself to really listen, but when I do almost always it ends up being the right decision. Deep down, your heart usually knows the right thing to do.

GreenHopper said

rnch saidwhen the heart, the mind and the dick all agree on the same guy.....THAT'S a "keeper".

O no, not guys again lol... Do we HAVE to keep talking about guys? They pop into my head enough as it is

which head?


or perhaps BOTH heads?

GreenHopper saidLol dont knock it till youve tried it.... If a parent can calm a child's fears, then your inner parent can calm your inner child's fears.... if you had no ability to control your feelings rationally, you would have no use for human language... all your mind needs to change how it feels is a word that it associates with something else... If you have a snake phobia, all I need to do is say the word snake in the language you speak for your amygdala to run amock.... then taking your mind off it and focusing fully on something else can change how you feel again.. the human brain is very pliable....

Yes, well, if you read what I'd written, did I not say that it might even be possible to form pathways in the direction of the amygdala simply by thinking the right thoughts. And I also indicated that this is simply a process called controlling yourself. But just because you might be able to in a relative small degree (due to the nature of the natural pathways which form the structures of our brains) control yourself does not mean that you have eliminated that which controls you.

You can slow your heartbeat too simply by thinking the proper thoughts.

But it is incorrect to say that you can simply stop listening to your heart as that is nothing but denial. The heart is still there and no amount of meditation will remove what is intrinsic to you.

I think you should listen to your heart, what it`s saying, anyone who doesn`t will miss a great deal of guidance and learning. Most of the my heart`s feelings about guys have been fairly accurate.....
But don`t be controlled or dominated by it. At the same time, try to achieve a balance with your head, let the heart inform your head`s decisions; a synthesis of solar and lunar knowledge.