The 1%: Nancy Pelosi spends Christmas at $10,000/night suite in Hawaii

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    Dec 27, 2011 9:24 PM GMT
    http://www.hawaiireporter.com/while-president-obama-arrives-in-hawaii-amidst-security-and-fanfare-former-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-slips-quietly-into-big-island-resort/123

    Pelosi spent the last two Christmas holidays in Kona at the same hotel in an elaborate suite that rents for $10,000 a night.

    The Four Seasons Resort Hualalai’s details its luxurious setting and amenities on its web site: “Gloriously revitalised, this natural tropical paradise offers more than ever to explore – with a newly expanded Spa, beachfront dining, fashion boutiques and new Deluxe Suites, in addition to Jack Nicklaus signature golf. Set on the Big Island’s exclusive Kona-Kohala Coast, this showpiece resort captures the essence of Hawaiian design, culture and tradition.”

    Pelosi has her share of allies in Hawaii, including Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who she defended during his successful campaign for governor in 2010. When Democratic Gubernatorial Candidate Mufi Hannemann claimed during the primary that Abercrombie was not effective in Congress, Pelosi issued a statement calling Abercrombie “outstanding, effective and courageous.”

    Pelosi has been escorted by local police during her last two holiday visits to Hawaii Island at a cost of $34,000 to local taxpayers.

    Obama’s trip to the island of Oahu has proved much pricier to state and federal taxpayers.

    In a Hawaii Reporter story published last week, the total cost (based on what is known) for a 17-day round trip vacation to Hawaii for the President and his family and staff and security is an estimated $4,113,038.

    That includes $3,629,622 for separate travel for the president and his family, $151,200 for housing for security, $72,216 for staff to stay in one of Hawaii's most luxurious resorts, the Moana Surfrider in Waikiki, and local police protection and ambulance detail for $260,000.


    Related: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/12/wapo-growing-wealth-widens-distance-between-lawmakers-and-constituents.html - "Between 1984 and 2009, the median net worth of a member of the House has risen 2.5 times, according to the analysis of financial disclosures, rising from $280,000 to $725,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars. Over the same period, the wealth of an American family has declined slightly, with the median sliding from $20,600 to $20,500. ... The growing disparity between the representatives and the represented means that there is a greater distance between the economic experience of Americans and those of lawmakers."
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    Dec 28, 2011 8:31 AM GMT
    So? Isn't she a rich woman?
  • GQjock

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    Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM GMT
    Geez and she was supposed to stay in a trailer park on this vacation icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    Riddler's jealous.. he wanted to be that rich bitch.. but had to go back to mommy's because he failed.
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    Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    She should have given that money to the poor instead of lavishing it on herself.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    While she sits in her hotel suite drinking champaign she probably laughs about the poor, sick and unemployed who have bought into all her garbage.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:11 AM GMT
    Because if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:15 AM GMT
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:19 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.

    Thats their business and not yours or mine. Just like Pelosi. Its none of my business how much money she has, but she needs to not wag her fingers at people LIKE HER and tell them they arent paying their "fair share." Id like to see her tax return and how many loop holes she found.
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    Dec 31, 2011 3:25 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.


    The difference is that Pelosi likes to steal from hard working Americans. Palin and Bachmann dont. I wonder if Pelosi even gives money to charity.
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    Dec 31, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    I dont see why anybody here would defend any politician. It seems to me if non of us were partisan than very few politicians would find any support here. Democracy depends on us being quick to judge the politicians and hard on trusting them.

    But of course Nancy Pelosi is abusing the system. there is plenty of evidence of that. So is almost every other member of the house and the senate. How is that not obvious?

    I love politics and I try to be well informed on how the American political system works and what is being done to it. I doubt that anybody who is well informed will be either a Democrat or a Republican. It just doesn't make sense.

    Your politicians, democrats or republicans are not policy makers, they implement policies that are put forward to them by the people. In this system the people are not you, the voter or any other person for that matter. In this system the people are literally taken in that very plural sense ONLY.

    Individuals don’t have the right or the means to influence anything, which means that the individuals are required to organize into a people and lobby policies for those elected to implement. Republicans will implements them by different means and Democrats will implements them in their own way, but both will and have to implements the policies willed by the "people". There are no Republican or Democrat policies. So voting individually for representatives is meaningless, because individuals can only help decide who occupies the position not what policies are being implemented by those people.

    The average person, like you, does not have the means to organize in the way that is meaningful and influential, because we are too busy with our own lives, understandably, to find the will or the time. Nor do we have the money required to hire people to conduct research, accumulate signatures, and advertise and all the “little” things necessary to form policy and propose it to our representatives. That is done by groups that are already organized and in position of the tools required to make this happen. Like Corporations, the 1%, unions, non-profits, religious organizations…etc.

    This isn't a flaw with the system, nor are these people all bad, this is the way the system is intended to work.

    So stop wasting so much of your time and energy that can be put to better use in arguing with each other in support or refute of people that are just tools for those organizations and start spending all that well meaning energy and time on pinpointing who they are and knowing what policies they are trying to implement.

    Reall? Supporting Nancie or Obama because you are a Democrat or refuting her because you are not is not the work of a person who is well informed. Get out there, talk talk talk about the policies, encourage the young ones to take part in understanding the system. Tell everyone you know that they should be come non partisan. Tell them not to gain their identity from the title (cemocrat/republican) the tile is suppose to gain its identity from the people. Stop bickering and being mean to your fellow citizens and get you assess together, as one, to fix this country. Change the system not the people working in it.
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    Dec 31, 2011 5:45 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.

    Thats their business and not yours or mine. Just like Pelosi. Its none of my business how much money she has, but she needs to not wag her fingers at people LIKE HER and tell them they arent paying their "fair share." Id like to see her tax return and how many loop holes she found.


    That's an incredibly weak argument. Pelosi's desire for tax policy that would increase her own payments is precisely what makes her a strong advocate. She has skin in the game.
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    Dec 31, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.


    The difference is that Pelosi likes to steal from hard working Americans. Palin and Bachmann dont. I wonder if Pelosi even gives money to charity.


    Please explain how Pelosi "steals from hard working Americans." Palin is a professional liar, paid by a media enterprise that purposefully misinforms its viewers. Bachmann's money comes in part from Medicaid payments to her husband ex-gay therapy.

    Do you ever have even the slightest idea what you're writing? Or do you just transcribe whatever lies Rush Limbaugh is spewing that day?
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    Dec 31, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.


    The difference is that Pelosi likes to steal from hard working Americans. Palin and Bachmann dont. I wonder if Pelosi even gives money to charity.


    Please explain how Pelosi "steals from hard working Americans." Palin is a professional liar, paid by a media enterprise that purposefully misinforms its viewers. Bachmann's money comes in part from Medicaid payments to her husband ex-gay therapy.

    Do you ever have even the slightest idea what you're writing? Or do you just transcribe whatever lies Rush Limbaugh is spewing that day?


    I know you dont understand very much about life Christian, so I will repeat it.

    Pelosi is tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, thats stealing. Sarah Palin stands up for middle America. We need politicians who will stand up for what the people want, not what the politicians want. Like I said Pelosi is in her hotel suite right now drinking champaign and laughing at people like you.





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    Dec 31, 2011 12:32 PM GMT
    Also if you read carefully - it says it rents for $10K a night BUT doesnt say she paid that. Correct - kind of like saying someone bought a house that LISTED for $1 million. The real price was in all probability lower.
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    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    Christian73 said
    CHRISTOPHER34 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 said
    Christian73 said
    JP85257 saidBecause if it was Palin or Bachmann you mother fuckers would be screaming foul at the top of your lungs.

    Just pointing out hypocritical actions.


    No. I'm pretty sure both Palin and Bachmann have stayed in swank hotels, been flown in private jets, and I'm not really interested in that.

    The MSM would have tripped over themselves to make sure everyone in in the country knew that they are in the 1%.


    They both are. Sarah Palin has made about $30 million since the election in 2008. Bachmann is also quite wealthy; definitely a multimillionaire.


    The difference is that Pelosi likes to steal from hard working Americans. Palin and Bachmann dont. I wonder if Pelosi even gives money to charity.


    Please explain how Pelosi "steals from hard working Americans." Palin is a professional liar, paid by a media enterprise that purposefully misinforms its viewers. Bachmann's money comes in part from Medicaid payments to her husband ex-gay therapy.

    Do you ever have even the slightest idea what you're writing? Or do you just transcribe whatever lies Rush Limbaugh is spewing that day?


    I know you dont understand very much about life Christian, so I will repeat it.

    Pelosi is tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, thats stealing. Sarah Palin stands up for middle America. We need politicians who will stand up for what the people want, not what the politicians want. Like I said Pelosi is in her hotel suite right now drinking champaign and laughing at people like you.


    Again, you are so dumb. As Speaker, Pelosi passed the legislation that gave the majority of Americans a tax cut, and fought for the extension of the payroll tax cut. Please indicate when Pelosi passed legislation that raised taxes.

    Palin is a rodeo clown and if anyone is laughing at the rubes she's pulled a fast-one on it's her.
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    Dec 31, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    We shouldnt even be talking about Palin - she made her choice and its too late for her now. She basically wanted to be annointed President without going through the process and avoid probable embarrassing episodes like the Couric interview - which I believe was spurred by the fact she did read national press like the Washington Post and NY Times BUT didnt want to reveal that to her base of zealots (so anti-media) so she dodged the question making her seem like a simpleton.
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    Dec 31, 2011 5:37 PM GMT
    NJDewd saidAlso if you read carefully - it says it rents for $10K a night BUT doesnt say she paid that. Correct - kind of like saying someone bought a house that LISTED for $1 million. The real price was in all probability lower.

    I am sure if she is there on the taxpayer dime the full rate is being paid.
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    Dec 31, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    ozhanSean saidI dont see why anybody here would defend any politician. It seems to me if non of us were partisan than very few politicians would find any support here. Democracy depends on us being quick to judge the politicians and hard on trusting them.

    But of course Nancy Pelosi is abusing the system. there is plenty of evidence of that. So is almost every other member of the house and the senate. How is that not obvious?

    I love politics and I try to be well informed on how the American political system works and what is being done to it. I doubt that anybody who is well informed will be either a Democrat or a Republican. It just doesn't make sense.

    Your politicians, democrats or republicans are not policy makers, they implement policies that are put forward to them by the people. In this system the people are not you, the voter or any other person for that matter. In this system the people are literally taken in that very plural sense ONLY.

    Individuals don’t have the right or the means to influence anything, which means that the individuals are required to organize into a people and lobby policies for those elected to implement. Republicans will implements them by different means and Democrats will implements them in their own way, but both will and have to implements the policies willed by the "people". There are no Republican or Democrat policies. So voting individually for representatives is meaningless, because individuals can only help decide who occupies the position not what policies are being implemented by those people.

    The average person, like you, does not have the means to organize in the way that is meaningful and influential, because we are too busy with our own lives, understandably, to find the will or the time. Nor do we have the money required to hire people to conduct research, accumulate signatures, and advertise and all the “little” things necessary to form policy and propose it to our representatives. That is done by groups that are already organized and in position of the tools required to make this happen. Like Corporations, the 1%, unions, non-profits, religious organizations…etc.

    This isn't a flaw with the system, nor are these people all bad, this is the way the system is intended to work.

    So stop wasting so much of your time and energy that can be put to better use in arguing with each other in support or refute of people that are just tools for those organizations and start spending all that well meaning energy and time on pinpointing who they are and knowing what policies they are trying to implement.

    Reall? Supporting Nancie or Obama because you are a Democrat or refuting her because you are not is not the work of a person who is well informed. Get out there, talk talk talk about the policies, encourage the young ones to take part in understanding the system. Tell everyone you know that they should be come non partisan. Tell them not to gain their identity from the title (cemocrat/republican) the tile is suppose to gain its identity from the people. Stop bickering and being mean to your fellow citizens and get you assess together, as one, to fix this country. Change the system not the people working in it.


    ozhanSean, they'd rather fight than reason. Such appears to be the nature of these topics.
    The Nancy outrage is lame in that she spent her money on businesses that are part of the economy. So do all the others. icon_wink.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 31, 2011 5:54 PM GMT
    This is typical of both democratic and republican politicians. They are only out for their own self aggrandizement and this latest stunt by Nancy Pelosi treating herself to the very best in luxurious accomodations at taxpayers expense is valid proof that our political leaders are totally out of touch with the real world around them.
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    Dec 31, 2011 5:56 PM GMT
    roadbikeBob said, "at taxpayers expense"

    Can you elaborate on that?
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    Dec 31, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
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    NJDewd saidAlso if you read carefully - it says it rents for $10K a night BUT doesnt say she paid that. Correct - kind of like saying someone bought a house that LISTED for $1 million. The real price was in all probability lower.

    I am sure if she is there on the taxpayer dime the full rate is being paid.


    All your posts rest on the logical fallacy of omniscience. It is all based on what you predict others would do. It is the argument of the foolish and ignorant. I am surprised you got through high school without having that mistake thoroughly beaten out of you.
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    Dec 31, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    meninlove, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Nancy Pelosi was doing this on the taxpayers dime. Our American politicians have a terrible habit of spending our hard earned tax money on themselves and then get away with it. Both democrats and republicans are equally guilty of pulling this shit. American politicians think they are above the law and their actions prove it.