'Being Gay is a Gift from God'

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    Dec 28, 2011 6:26 AM GMT
    was just about to post about this... you are one step ahead of me...

  • Dec 28, 2011 7:13 AM GMT
    uhmmm... i love this!

    Most gays i know have developed extraordinary social skills and bring so much positive energy to those around them on a daily basis. We are a gift to society!! Look how strong we stand against societies that try to bring us down. We are truly a gift and inspirations. Lets show 'em ya'll!!
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    Dec 28, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
    Everything in life should be looked upon as a gift, because even in adversity there is growth that comes from it. Its up to us though to take what comes to us in positive ways, so we can grow, or we can take the other route and let adversity knock us down without getting back up.

    Many of the worlds most renowned artists of every field, have been gay and they used their talents to compensate, making excellence from adversity.
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    Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM GMT
    This reaaaallly sums up my view on faith. I say I'm Christian because I was raised in a Christian household, it's a large part of my identity as a black man, and I enjoy the community aspect of churches but I'm becoming more comfortable with the idea that that I'm more spiritual than religious. I believe in an afterlife and that there's a singular higher power named God but I don't believe that any genuinely good person who believes otherwise is going to hell. But I digress...

    I completely agree with the ministers. Everyone has a gift to offer the world which is my homophobia, racism, classism, islamophobia, anti-semetism...just about any type of form of discrimination or oppression is so illogical to me...you're stifling the progress of someone who could someday benefit you.
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    Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM GMT
    My life is much richer as a result of being gay than it might have been otherwise. My belief is to be the the best possible example of humanity and an inspiration for good in the world. Why not? I think we can all disprove to those homophobes that we can be better than equally spewing out such hatred.
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    'Being Gay is a Gift from God'

    I thought being gay was a gift from my parents. But whoever gave it to me I'm extremely grateful.

    And some of these replies here echo my own theory as to why there are gays, generation after generation. Godiva said a "gift to society" and he's correct, not only regarding WHAT we are, but WHY we are.

    We don't exist to put a brake on population numbers, or as a result of a rather high recurring error rate in our genetic structure. Rather, humans are social creatures who depend upon a very complex culture in order to thrive, and we gays serve that culture in ways that straights do not.

    We often call straights "breeders" in a derogatory way, but that is indeed what they do. If it weren't for breeders you & I wouldn't be here discussing this. But we non-breeding gays are also essential, using the greater spare time we have on our hands to do several things.

    We can help the breeders raise their offspring, and we can devote ourselves to advancing human culture, which the pre-occupied breeders can't always do as effectively. Plus I really think we are genetically given an additional gift of creativity and artistry that many others lack. Think of humans not as isolated individuals, but rather in terms of the ant colony, with its highly specialized divisions of labor.

    The gay division of labor assigned to us deals with our serving culture, and why I believe so many of us are in creative fields, especially in the arts. Culture defines humans, and is as essential to our existence as are our opposable thumbs and articulate speech. And we gays advance that culture, hence why genetics keeps producing us, we being a benefit & useful gift to the entire race.

    Ironically, though, frequently that same culture demonstrates a disdain for us by non-gays. And often the most harmful cultural element for us is the human construct of religion.

    Therefore I welcome and promote the message that being gay is not just a gift for our own benefit, but for the good of all society. And this is the theme we should stress again & again, to help end gay discrimination & hatred, and permit us to fully integrate into all of society.
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:57 PM GMT
    I don't believe being gay is a gift from god at all. if it is true then being gay bashed and killed is also a gift from god.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    warrior123 saidI don't believe being gay is a gift from god at all. if it is true then being gay bashed and killed is also a gift from god.

    No, those latter are "gifts" from man. Our human intelligence is also considered by many a gift from God, but do not some use it to kill and commit crimes against others? Is murder therefore a gift from God? In the Bible, I thought murder was the invention, the gift to humanity, of Cain & Abel, not of God.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    There is nothing spiritual about television, and there's nothing still, peaceful, or reflective about this pablum.

    They do seem like nice guys. I'll grant that. But how insipid they sound.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    this is what i've been tryin to tell peoplezicon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
    I remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    Why do we have canine teeth if we are supposed to be vegetarians. One can argue.. The way you are is a beauty of nature and the magnificence around you. There is a reason you are the way that you are and don't let people who have no idea about shit dictate anything about your being.
    There is always something new and fresh that comes to challenge what you see. So people need to stop trying to figure shit out.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle saidI remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.


    I thought eunuch was someone with no identifiable sex like a hermaphrodite? No? I d say eunuch is more transgender.
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    Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
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    Alpha_Muscle saidI remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.


    I thought eunuch was someone with no identifiable sex like a hermaphrodite? No? I d say eunuch is more transgender.


    Not in the original tranlastion. Some have come to understand it to mean hermaphrodite or transsexual now, but culturally in Israel at the time, homosexuals (as they were understood to be at the time) were highly prized as household servants. Eunuchs are common throughout the Bible.

    Consider what Jesus said in Matthew, "Some men are born Eunuchs. Some are made Eunuchs by other men. Some men are Eunuchs for the kingdom of God. For those who can accept it, accept it." (What is a born Eunuch?) Matt 19:12

    What is a born Eunuch? In fact, how many born hermaphrodites do you know, and yet Eunuchs are referred to frequently in the Bible. Add to that that castration was illegal in Israel. Historians have concluded that homosexuals were prized as household workers because the family of the employer would be safe with them. (he wasn't going to fuck your wife) Further, there is a body of thought that castration BEGAN to make a slave more valuable, to make him more like a homosexual.

    But understand that homosexuality as we know it didn't exist. Certainly there were men who were attracted to other men (and women) but the culture was so different that it was perceived by Society differently. That is why the Bible is often translated so much harsher than it was intended. When scholars look at the Bible, (like the two gentlemen in this clip) the inescapable conclusion is that homosexuality by itself is not sin. God can honor and love homsexuals as his creations like he loves and accepts all of his creation, any religion, gender, race, orientation or other label. His labels are not our labels!


    EDIT NOTE: the words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" did not appear in the english translation of the Bible until 1946. The Bible has been used to justfy hatred against others for centuries. But as enlightened and educated Christians begin a critical analysis, it is inescapable that it doesn't speak towards hatred like many conservative American Christians have said. You will see more and more allys in the faith community in the coming years.
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    Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    Havenjock80 said
    Alpha_Muscle saidI remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.


    I thought eunuch was someone with no identifiable sex like a hermaphrodite? No? I d say eunuch is more transgender.


    Not in the original tranlastion. Some have come to understand it to mean hermaphrodite or transsexual now, but culturally in Israel at the time, homosexuals (as they were understood to be at the time) were highly prized as household servants. Eunuchs are common throughout the Bible.

    Consider what Jesus said in Matthew, "Some men are born Eunuchs. Some are made Eunuchs by other men. Some men are Eunuchs for the kingdom of God. For those who can accept it, accept it." (What is a born Eunuch?) Matt 19:12

    What is a born Eunuch? In fact, how many born hermaphrodites do you know, and yet Eunuchs are referred to frequently in the Bible. Add to that that castration was illegal in Israel. Historians have concluded that homosexuals were prized as household workers because the family of the employer would be safe with them. (he wasn't going to fuck your wife) Further, there is a body of thought that castration BEGAN to make a slave more valuable, to make him more like a homosexual.

    But understand that homosexuality as we know it didn't exist. Certainly there were men who were attracted to other men (and women) but the culture was so different that it was perceived by Society differently. That is why the Bible is often translated so much harsher than it was intended. When scholars look at the Bible, (like the two gentlemen in this clip) the inescapable conclusion is that homosexuality by itself is not sin. God can honor and love homsexuals as his creations like he loves and accepts all of his creation, any religion, gender, race, orientation or other label. His labels are not our labels!


    Thank you for explanation. As you mentioned servants, there is the loyal boy that Jesus healed who was the soldiers closest servant I believe and then there is Johnn - whats up with that relationship and Jesus. It always tickled my fancy.lol. to understand how sacred marriage is between a man and woman - and Jesus never hooked up with anyone. In the idea that one became man and the ultimate responsibility is to become one with a woman. I find that a bit odd! in modern time, if John was always under anyone 's bossom , he would be considered a big fag. No?

    Sorry -- I meant John-- (Jean) I think in french sometimes..LOL

    Image of the beloved disciple.

    Valentin_de_boulogne%2C_John_and_Jesus.j

    This is a great read. http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/62-1
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    Alpha_Muscle saidI remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.


    I thought eunuch was someone with no identifiable sex like a hermaphrodite? No? I d say eunuch is more transgender.


    Not in the original tranlastion. Some have come to understand it to mean hermaphrodite or transsexual now, but culturally in Israel at the time, homosexuals (as they were understood to be at the time) were highly prized as household servants. Eunuchs are common throughout the Bible.

    Consider what Jesus said in Matthew, "Some men are born Eunuchs. Some are made Eunuchs by other men. Some men are Eunuchs for the kingdom of God. For those who can accept it, accept it." (What is a born Eunuch?) Matt 19:12

    What is a born Eunuch? In fact, how many born hermaphrodites do you know, and yet Eunuchs are referred to frequently in the Bible. Add to that that castration was illegal in Israel. Historians have concluded that homosexuals were prized as household workers because the family of the employer would be safe with them. (he wasn't going to fuck your wife) Further, there is a body of thought that castration BEGAN to make a slave more valuable, to make him more like a homosexual.

    But understand that homosexuality as we know it didn't exist. Certainly there were men who were attracted to other men (and women) but the culture was so different that it was perceived by Society differently. That is why the Bible is often translated so much harsher than it was intended. When scholars look at the Bible, (like the two gentlemen in this clip) the inescapable conclusion is that homosexuality by itself is not sin. God can honor and love homsexuals as his creations like he loves and accepts all of his creation, any religion, gender, race, orientation or other label. His labels are not our labels!


    Thank you for explanation. As you mentioned servants, there is the loyal boy that Jesus healed who was the soldiers closest servant I believe and then there is Jean - whats up with that relationship and Jesus. It always tickled my fancy.lol. to understand how sacred marriage is between a man and woman - and Jesus never hooked up with anyone. In the idea that one became man and the ultimate responsibility is to become one with a woman. I find that a bit odd! in modern time, if Jean was always under anyone 's bossom , he would be considered a big fag. No?

    This is a great read. http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/62-1


    Interesting that you mention the servant who was healed... here is the story:

    The centurian, a Roman, went to Jesus and said (english translation) "my manservant is sick and dying. I know you can heal him." Jesus said, okay... let's go and the Roman said, "No, I dont deserve for you to come to him. Besides, I know that if you say he is healed, that he will be healed." Jesus not only heals the dude, but tells everyone around him, "Such faith I have not seen in all of Israel."

    I know, I know... "cool story, bro" ... but here is where it gets interesting.... the servant is also referred to in some english translations as "my manservant, whom i love"... that is because the original Greek word was pais.

    Pais meant something as close to "gay partner" as we have. You see, Roman soldiers were not allowed to marry. They would be away from home for years on end, so they were single. And those Roman soldiers so inclined had male partners and it was encouraged (talk about the opposite of DADT??). So this story is paraphrased as:

    Roman: "Jesus, I love my partner and he is really sick. Please heal him so he doesn't die."

    Jesus: "Sure thing! Let's go!"

    Roman: "Jesus, I have faith that you can just heal him right here. I dont want to bother you."

    Jesus: "It is done. You have more faith than the Jews who should believe in me!"

    Roman: "Thank you, Jesus"


    and throughout this story... Jesus KNEW HE WAS GAY THE WHOLE TIME.

    Eat that Westboro Baptist Church!!
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    Dec 28, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    Havenjock80 said
    Alpha_Muscle said
    Havenjock80 said
    Alpha_Muscle saidI remember the day I was able to stand in church and with all of my heart and with true honesty to myself and to God I prayed, "Thank you, Lord for making me gay. Thank you for the blessing of being Gay and for your love for me."

    It is a blessing and a gift from God. There is even a verse that says that if Eunuch (in the old testament, a "Eunuch" referred to a homosexual man, not a castrated man... castration was illegal in Israel) honors the Sabbath, then he will be given "a memorial in the temple and a name above that of son or daughter." It is in Isaiah.


    I thought eunuch was someone with no identifiable sex like a hermaphrodite? No? I d say eunuch is more transgender.


    Not in the original tranlastion. Some have come to understand it to mean hermaphrodite or transsexual now, but culturally in Israel at the time, homosexuals (as they were understood to be at the time) were highly prized as household servants. Eunuchs are common throughout the Bible.

    Consider what Jesus said in Matthew, "Some men are born Eunuchs. Some are made Eunuchs by other men. Some men are Eunuchs for the kingdom of God. For those who can accept it, accept it." (What is a born Eunuch?) Matt 19:12

    What is a born Eunuch? In fact, how many born hermaphrodites do you know, and yet Eunuchs are referred to frequently in the Bible. Add to that that castration was illegal in Israel. Historians have concluded that homosexuals were prized as household workers because the family of the employer would be safe with them. (he wasn't going to fuck your wife) Further, there is a body of thought that castration BEGAN to make a slave more valuable, to make him more like a homosexual.

    But understand that homosexuality as we know it didn't exist. Certainly there were men who were attracted to other men (and women) but the culture was so different that it was perceived by Society differently. That is why the Bible is often translated so much harsher than it was intended. When scholars look at the Bible, (like the two gentlemen in this clip) the inescapable conclusion is that homosexuality by itself is not sin. God can honor and love homsexuals as his creations like he loves and accepts all of his creation, any religion, gender, race, orientation or other label. His labels are not our labels!


    Thank you for explanation. As you mentioned servants, there is the loyal boy that Jesus healed who was the soldiers closest servant I believe and then there is Jean - whats up with that relationship and Jesus. It always tickled my fancy.lol. to understand how sacred marriage is between a man and woman - and Jesus never hooked up with anyone. In the idea that one became man and the ultimate responsibility is to become one with a woman. I find that a bit odd! in modern time, if Jean was always under anyone 's bossom , he would be considered a big fag. No?

    This is a great read. http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/62-1


    Interesting that you mention the servant who was healed... here is the story:

    The centurian, a Roman, went to Jesus and said (english translation) "my manservant is sick and dying. I know you can heal him." Jesus said, okay... let's go and the Roman said, "No, I dont deserve for you to come to him. Besides, I know that if you say he is healed, that he will be healed." Jesus not only heals the dude, but tells everyone around him, "Such faith I have not seen in all of Israel."

    I know, I know... "cool story, bro" ... but here is where it gets interesting.... the servant is also referred to in some english translations as "my manservant, whom i love"... that is because the original Greek word was pais.

    Pais meant something as close to "gay partner" as we have. You see, Roman soldiers were not allowed to marry. They would be away from home for years on end, so they were single. And those Roman soldiers so inclined had male partners and it was encouraged (talk about the opposite of DADT??). So this story is paraphrased as:

    Roman: "Jesus, I love my partner and he is really sick. Please heal him so he doesn't die."

    Jesus: "Sure thing! Let's go!"

    Roman: "Jesus, I have faith that you can just heal him right here. I dont want to bother you."

    Jesus: "It is done. You have more faith than the Jews who should believe in me!"

    Roman: "Thank you, Jesus"


    and throughout this story... Jesus KNEW HE WAS GAY THE WHOLE TIME.

    Eat that Westboro Baptist Church!!



    I love that story. I am sure somewhere there is more to that story that the church is willing to discuss.

    The other day, I had a discussion with my mom of a second coming of Christ...If he came again as men in our day and age, would we believe him?
    If he was black- we would kill him, If he was a woman- we would say no way. If he was gay- that would be the worst thing. But jesus came and sort of defied the jewish system and hence all the new religions that we have today. To me, unless Jesus comes the same way he was thousands of years ago and looking like those pictures no one would believe him. I even think that if he came the same way- they would probably think he was a bum. So society is like this big monster and they dont even know it.
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    Dec 28, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    "Being gay is a gift from G-d"

    Not in Iran or Russia or Alabama it ain't!!

    Most other places it is a gift as long as you are white, under 40, not handicapped, rich and live in a stylishly appointed loft in a trendy part of town.